Parkland, Florida School Massacre Panel Recommends Allowing Willing And Trained Teachers To Be Armed

[Brain357]

No, we should stop making it so easy for angry kids to get guns.

More liberal logic: all we have to do is make it harder for angry kids to get guns. Until then.......

Works well in every other country.

Countries much smaller than ours?

When was the last school shooting in China? UK? Japan? Germany?

Countries with a different culture and much smaller?

Yes they don’t have our gun culture.

 

[Brain357]

Just think of the increased discipline of the kids knowing teach is packing a 9mm!

And when some crazy kid takes the 9mm from teach?

-------------------------- as has already been said , ZHIT Happens Brian .

Do you have children?

 

[Brain357]

No, we should stop making it so easy for angry kids to get guns.

More liberal logic: all we have to do is make it harder for angry kids to get guns. Until then.......

Works well in every other country.

Countries much smaller than ours?

When was the last school shooting in China? UK? Japan? Germany?

Wasn't exactly a school shooting, but it was a shooting that involved a whole bunch of kids who were at summer camp, and this was in Norway.

At Least 80 Dead in Norway Shooting

OSLO — A lone political extremist bombed the government center here on Friday, killing 7 people, the police said, before heading to an island summer camp for young members of the governing Labor Party and killing at least 80 people.

The police arrested a 32-year-old Norwegian man in connection with both attacks, the deadliest on Norwegian soil since World War II.

The explosions in Oslo, from one or more bombs, turned the tidy Scandinavian capital into a scene reminiscent of terrorist attacks in Baghdad or Oklahoma City, panicking people and blowing out windows of several government buildings, including one housing the office of the Norwegian prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, who was unharmed.

The state television broadcaster, citing the police, said seven people had been killed and at least 15 wounded in the explosions, which they said appeared to be an act of domestic terrorism.

How long ago was that? How many before and after that? What is rare in other countries happens regularly here. And yes, that wasn’t a school shooting.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Just think of the increased discipline of the kids knowing teach is packing a 9mm!

And when some crazy kid takes the 9mm from teach?

-------------------------- as has already been said , ZHIT Happens Brian .

The more guns you have in schools, the more chances of someone getting shot accidentally. Leave the guns with school resource officers, but make sure they aren't scared little pussies who refuse to go confront the shooter.

 

[Brain357]

No, we should stop making it so easy for angry kids to get guns.

More liberal logic: all we have to do is make it harder for angry kids to get guns. Until then.......

Works well in every other country.

Countries much smaller than ours?

When was the last school shooting in China? UK? Japan? Germany?

Wasn't exactly a school shooting, but it was a shooting that involved a whole bunch of kids who were at summer camp, and this was in Norway.

At Least 80 Dead in Norway Shooting

OSLO — A lone political extremist bombed the government center here on Friday, killing 7 people, the police said, before heading to an island summer camp for young members of the governing Labor Party and killing at least 80 people.

The police arrested a 32-year-old Norwegian man in connection with both attacks, the deadliest on Norwegian soil since World War II.

The explosions in Oslo, from one or more bombs, turned the tidy Scandinavian capital into a scene reminiscent of terrorist attacks in Baghdad or Oklahoma City, panicking people and blowing out windows of several government buildings, including one housing the office of the Norwegian prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, who was unharmed.

The state television broadcaster, citing the police, said seven people had been killed and at least 15 wounded in the explosions, which they said appeared to be an act of domestic terrorism.

Wasn’t the shooter a nationalist?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Cause there will never be friendly fire deaths..

Friendly Fire Killed Sheriff's Sergeant At Thousand Oaks, Calif., Shooting Scene

Those are incredibly rare.

I have no problem with the policy, but I think it's sad that American society has decayed to the point that it is even being debated.

You have no problem with arming teachers because you don’t understand that kids are generally safe in school ( never been a safer time to be a kid in America ) and that introducing guns into a given space will increase the likelihood that people will be shot.

If you think about it more, you’ll probably change your position.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Just think of the increased discipline of the kids knowing teach is packing a 9mm!

And when some crazy kid takes the 9mm from teach?

-------------------------- as has already been said , ZHIT Happens Brian .

Do you have children?

London does not have a gun culture.

Yet the London homicide rate exceeds gun filled NYC.

 

[tycho1572]

More liberal logic: all we have to do is make it harder for angry kids to get guns. Until then.......

Works well in every other country.

Countries much smaller than ours?

When was the last school shooting in China? UK? Japan? Germany?

Countries with a different culture and much smaller?

Yes they don’t have our gun culture.

Or many other rights that make this country great.

 

[pismoe]

Liberal logic: teachers shouldn’t have a way to stop a shooter from killing kids because someone might accidentally be shot.

No, we should stop making it so easy for angry kids to get guns.

More liberal logic: all we have to do is make it harder for angry kids to get guns. Until then.......

Works well in every other country.

Countries much smaller than ours?

When was the last school shooting in China? UK? Japan? Germany?

------------------------------------- they have Mass Knifings in 'china' Brian . --- Knifeman kills nine students in China --- check it out Brian .

 

[Brain357]

Just think of the increased discipline of the kids knowing teach is packing a 9mm!

And when some crazy kid takes the 9mm from teach?

-------------------------- as has already been said , ZHIT Happens Brian .

Do you have children?

London does not have a gun culture.

Yet the London homicide rate exceeds gun filled NYC.

Yes, NYC has strong gun control. London has lower homicides than most every big city we have.

 

[Brain357]

No, we should stop making it so easy for angry kids to get guns.

More liberal logic: all we have to do is make it harder for angry kids to get guns. Until then.......

Works well in every other country.

Countries much smaller than ours?

When was the last school shooting in China? UK? Japan? Germany?

------------------------------------- they have Mass Knifings in 'china' Brian . --- Knifeman kills nine students in China --- check it out Brian .

How many killed each year?

 

[rightwinger]

Armed Security Guard did not take on an AR-15

Why should a teacher?

To protect everyone in the school, and save lives. You couldn't figure that out ?

Super brave teachers

Ready to take on an AR 15

 

[pismoe]

and then this with over 31 stabbed to death and 140 injured by 'muslims' in 'china . --- Three executed over Kunming attack --- the 3 stabbers were executed and are now in 'muslim' heaven Brian .

 

[Brain357]

and then this with over 31 stabbed to death and 140 injured by 'muslims' in 'china . --- Three executed over Kunming attack --- the 3 stabbers were executed and are now in 'muslim' heaven Brian .

That was 2015. We have had 3 mass shooting in two days, and there are a billion people in China.

 

[pismoe]

More liberal logic: all we have to do is make it harder for angry kids to get guns. Until then.......

Works well in every other country.

Countries much smaller than ours?

When was the last school shooting in China? UK? Japan? Germany?

------------------------------------- they have Mass Knifings in 'china' Brian . --- Knifeman kills nine students in China --- check it out Brian .

How many killed each year?

------------------------don't know and don't care . How many mass shootings and how many dead in mass shootings are there in the USA are there in the USA each year Brian .

 

[Brain357]

Works well in every other country.

Countries much smaller than ours?

When was the last school shooting in China? UK? Japan? Germany?

------------------------------------- they have Mass Knifings in 'china' Brian . --- Knifeman kills nine students in China --- check it out Brian .

How many killed each year?

------------------------don't know and don't care . How many mass shootings and how many dead in mass shootings are there in the USA are there in the USA each year Brian .

They happen all the time.... our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.

 

[tycho1572]

Countries much smaller than ours?

When was the last school shooting in China? UK? Japan? Germany?

------------------------------------- they have Mass Knifings in 'china' Brian . --- Knifeman kills nine students in China --- check it out Brian .

How many killed each year?

------------------------don't know and don't care . How many mass shootings and how many dead in mass shootings are there in the USA are there in the USA each year Brian .

They happen all the time.... our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.

Blame that on democrat controlled cities like Chicago, where guns are basically banned.

 

[Brain357]

When was the last school shooting in China? UK? Japan? Germany?

------------------------------------- they have Mass Knifings in 'china' Brian . --- Knifeman kills nine students in China --- check it out Brian .

How many killed each year?

------------------------don't know and don't care . How many mass shootings and how many dead in mass shootings are there in the USA are there in the USA each year Brian .

They happen all the time.... our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.

Blame that on democrat controlled cities like Chicago, where guns are basically banned.

They get their guns from places with weak
Laws.

 

[2aguy]

Cause there will never be friendly fire deaths..

Friendly Fire Killed Sheriff's Sergeant At Thousand Oaks, Calif., Shooting Scene

Armed citizens are 94% effective against mass shooters when the armed citizen has access to their legal gun...

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

 

[pismoe]

Countries much smaller than ours?

When was the last school shooting in China? UK? Japan? Germany?

------------------------------------- they have Mass Knifings in 'china' Brian . --- Knifeman kills nine students in China --- check it out Brian .

How many killed each year?

------------------------don't know and don't care . How many mass shootings and how many dead in mass shootings are there in the USA are there in the USA each year Brian .

They happen all the time.... our homicide rate is 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control.

------------------------------- i ask for concrete numbers of dead and you cite prattle . USA is very safe and what the number dead per year in the USA due to mass shootings Brian . I say that the numbers of dead in the USA a land of 320 million are acceptable as we have the RIGHT to be armed Brian . -------------------- whats the numbers of dead in mass shootings per year in the USA Brian . [just for grins and info purposes Brian]