Palin... Palin... Palin...

[Avatar4321]

because we are thinking people

Some of us are. Others, im not so sure.

 

[Avatar4321]

Yea...more kerosene on the fire. She is the victim...poor, poor Sarah.

Perhaps you would like to explain how you can attack her with no justification and she not be a victim.

No justification?

lol

So you think attacking her for the shooters action is justified?

I thought higher of you.

Is there anyone on the left with the integrity to denounce these vile attacks?

 

[Dr Grump]

Since when do you and your RW ilk accept polls from the "lame stream media" as gospel?

Oh yes, I almost forgot, only when you THINK it's beneficial to your rhetoric and/or agenda.

Silly me.

*smacks self in the head*


BTW...the poll DIDN'T show what you THINK it shows.

As we can CLEARLY see here, MORE Americans (45% vs. 33% and 22% respectively) feel that the rhetoric is responsible for the events than anything else.

LOL!!!!

Your poll is irrelevent. It means jack shit what American's think caused it. Only the perpertrator knows....

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I guess with today's memorial service in Tucson, she was afraid the limelight was off her victimhood.

She was not attacked?

She was. Immediately.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

President Palin will need to appoint a "Deprogramming Czar" and run a special program under ObamaCare to try to turn Progressives into decent people as the last thing before ObamaCares repeal.

 

[Avatar4321]

Wow.. gotta love the peace, love and civility lectures from those who spent 8 years calling Bush a "chimp", an "idiot", "stupid", "baby killer"; Cheney was "Satan", Condi Rice was "Aunt Jemimah", Clarence Thomas was "Uncle Tom", Palin is a "retard", referring to her children as "sluts" and "retards", etc.

Bunch of sanctimonious hypocrites these lefties are.

Yeah and they dont care.

 

[Avatar4321]

dont know, If Al gore was president would he have stopped 9/11?

Or one could say targets are more hyper sensationalist. This hyper that the media has become over all. Its gets pushed more and more till you can't tell the nuts from the sane.

Then again had she used pins, then the media wouldnt have it as a weapon now would they?

The fact that they are using murders as a weapon is disgusting to any individual who isnt a partisan hack.

Rush said the other day

"What Mr. Loughner knows is that he has the full support of a major political party in this country. He's sitting there in jail. He knows what's going on, he knows that...the Democrat party is attempting to find anybody but him to blame. He knows if he plays his cards right, he's just a victim. He's the latest in a never-ending parade of victims brought about by the unfairness of America...this guy clearly understands he's getting all the attention and he understands he's got a political party doing everything it can, plus a local sheriff doing everything that they can to make sure he's not convicted of murder - but something lesser."

but thank you for not actually addressing what i said and just pushing it off back tot he left again.

If you are not going to respond to what i say, i'll just move on.

I did address the fact that you are avoiding the point.

It's absolutely vile to use murders to attack your political opponents.

It's not vile to defend yourself from vile political attacks.

There isnt an argument on earth that can change that reality.

 

[Wry Catcher]

There need be no evidence of the non-existence of any such relationship. YOu or the tools whose bullshit you applaud like a trained seal carry the burden of proof or persuasion when you assert that there is some connection.

You are utterly unable to meet the simplest standard of logic, so like the pussy lying sack of crap you always are, you now seek to switch the burden.

There is nothing in the use of a crosshairs symbol -- used in the manner of common rhetoric to say this politician can be defeated at the polls -- that suggests that Loughner was influenced to commit murder by it. In fact, if there were even any evidence that he'd ever SEEN it at all, you'd be on the very first tiny step along that path you set out to march. But there isn't even that much evidence. And you know it. Se all see it clearly.

Fly Catcher, as always, you are once again fully exposed as a cheap ass lying partisan hack hypocritical lib tool.

LIEability, why must you resort to hyperbole, isn't lying sufficient? I did not assert a connection (maybe you're not bright enough to comprehend the written word?) so I will quote what I wrote but type the words very slowly so you may this time comprehend.

"There is no evidence the shooter was NOT infuenced by Palin, Limbaugh or other divisive voices from the far right, or the far left for that matter. There are some words uttered and symbols posted which suggest a greater liklihood any influence which may have had a cause for the shooting came from the right."

A cause does not imply a single constituent, many events have multiple antecedants. To dismiss any without careful consideration or because one is biased or believes their messiah is being attacked is stupid or partisan. Of course asserting the contrary that the only, or even one, of the possible antecedents is a proximate cause is also stupid or highly partisan.

You are an exposed lying bag of pus, at this point Fly Catcher. You are now not only exposed as a liar, but as an increasingly desperate one.

We all get it. You are a partisan hack troll.

But you should try honesty someday.

The entire left-wing orchestrated canard du jour (constituting undeniable and hideously cynical exploitation of the tragedy in Tuscon) is that the incivility of modern political discourse somehow "caused" Jared Loughner's behavior.

You are a liar and a scumbag troll because you and your fellow dishonest uber libs cannot back that contention up.

We used to get taught that sticks and stone can break our bones but NAMES can never hurt us. You dishonest uber-lib hypocritical trollish filthy liars would have us accept the new version: words can cause people to do outrageous things so we must ban words.

Fuck yourself. Those of us on the RIGHT will stand by the First Amendment and mock you all the more when you try to impose limits on the speech you don't like. Your hypocrisy is revealed all over the airwaves. When lying partisan hack troll fucks like that assclown Ed Schulz and the despicable Bill Maher can say the nasty bullshit they spew -- all without a whimper from you hypocritical asshole uber-libs -- you have no chance of ever achieving any hint of credibility, fuckface.

Please post the phrase or sentence where I stated, suggested or even hinted, "words can cause people to do outrageous things so we must ban words".

LieAbility, I know "Fuck yourself" is the best you have to offer, and really do pity you.

Free speech is not sacrosanct as you suggest, and if you are a member of the bar you would know that; and when you 'argue' as you do and include an ad hominem attack in each paragraph, I must conclude you attended Regency Law School.

 

[Mr. Sauerkraut]

Add them all up, won't even approach 6 million.

And that was just a 3 year stretch for your motherland.

And we all know, Germans never had slaves, right?

Free advice for you:

If you enjoy preaching to the world about "humanity" and "compassion," lie about where you're from. Knowing you're a German, no one is ever going to take you seriously on those topics or others closely related.

What a stupid argument. Trying to imply that what happened in Germany over 60 years ago somehow has a bearing on what the subject matter is today.

i´m easing on it slowly. everybody has the right to blame himself as good as he´s able to.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's funny all these rightwingers now claiming that it is impossible for anything said or done in the rightwing media influencing anyone to do anything, and yet,

aren't these the same people who said that anti-war rhetoric in the 'liberal' media during the Iraq War was undermining the war effort and encouraging the terrorists/insurgents??

EH??

How was that possible if no one is affected by what's said in the media?????

 

[SFC Ollie]

I think you've all lost site of the subject matter. The real question is how PC do we want the USA to be?

I say fuck a bunch of P.C. If some politician says to take aim on a district or a race, then they are not talking about shooting someone, and everyone knows that. At least anyone with an ounce of sense knows it.

And to complain about any one person or any one side using any type of language is just as stupid when we all know that both left and right have used the same BS many times.

I could go on, but what's the use? No one is going to listen anyway.

 

[MarcATL]

out of charcter for you MarcAtl...

First you try to defelct and then you completely ignore.

I sense you saw where it was going and you had no idea how to debate it.

And the truth is? You and anti palin people are the ones who advertised with guns and hate as it pertains to your percieved violent rhetoric of Palin.

Quite silly of the left I would say.

Let me indulge you for a minute...

Half the time you say I'm everything but a child of God, now you're saying I'm "out of character"

So which one is it?

What do you think of me and/or my character?

 

[Avatar4321]

It's funny all these rightwingers now claiming that it is impossible for anything said or done in the rightwing media influencing anyone to do anything, and yet,

aren't these the same people who said that anti-war rhetoric in the 'liberal' media during the Iraq War was undermining the war effort and encouraging the terrorists/insurgents??

EH??

How was that possible if no one is affected by what's said in the media?????

Straw man much?

There is a difference between pointing out that Talk Radio didnt influence Loughner and claiming Talk radio doesnt influence anyone.

Talk radio, in facts, inspires many people everyday. Heck the other day a caller called Glenn Beck and said he decided not to commit suicide because of something he said.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Walter Cronkite singlehandedly turned the nation against the Vietnam War, didn't he?

Haven't I heard that story many a time?

How is that possible if what is said publicly, by public figures, in the media,

can't influence anyone's behaviour???

 

[Wry Catcher]

I think you've all lost site of the subject matter. The real question is how PC do we want the USA to be?

I say fuck a bunch of P.C. If some politician says to take aim on a district or a race, then they are not talking about shooting someone, and everyone knows that. At least anyone with an ounce of sense knows it.

And to complain about any one person or any one side using any type of language is just as stupid when we all know that both left and right have used the same BS many times.

I could go on, but what's the use? No one is going to listen anyway.

Wrong. The real issue is how and why a 22 yo mentally unstable man can purchase a weapon and large capacity magazines.

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's funny all these rightwingers now claiming that it is impossible for anything said or done in the rightwing media influencing anyone to do anything, and yet,

aren't these the same people who said that anti-war rhetoric in the 'liberal' media during the Iraq War was undermining the war effort and encouraging the terrorists/insurgents??

EH??

How was that possible if no one is affected by what's said in the media?????

Straw man much?

There is a difference between pointing out that Talk Radio didnt influence Loughner and claiming Talk radio doesnt influence anyone.

Talk radio, in facts, inspires many people everyday. Heck the other day a caller called Glenn Beck and said he decided not to commit suicide because of something he said.

And so the possibility exists that Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann inspired the shooter to take the lives of six human beings on Saturday.

 

[Stephanie]

You, ......and those like you, ... are the scum that keeps the nation divided.

Absolute crap...the kind of empty rhetoric that the likes of Beck and Palin spew is what is dividing your country.

Civil discourse has gone the way of the dodo. From the second Obama took office you guys have been going at him hammer and tongs. You did the same with Clinton. Lee Atwater was your guy, and I put the blame fairly and squarely on him (backed up later by Karl Rove) for the gutter politics that now pollute the US. The sad but funny thing is, to guys like Rove and Atwater it's just one big game. After all, they live(d) in their ivory towers, and none of the policies they champion will ever affect them...but you get the right wing trailer trash - who bear the brunt of these policies - getting fucked up the arse, and all the while thanking their right wing heroes for doing so, then blaming the left for the aftermath....

LOL, and you all were so loving and kind when Bush was in office and supported him 100%..
give us a break, there is NO difference today then back then, except you lefties are doing a lot more whining.

 

[MarcATL]

Straw man much?

There is a difference between pointing out that Talk Radio didnt influence Loughner and claiming Talk radio doesnt influence anyone.

Talk radio, in facts, inspires many people everyday. Heck the other day a caller called Glenn Beck and said he decided not to commit suicide because of something he said.

Oh...the irony!

Do you even listen to yourself you dumb RW nutjob!?!??

Stupid CON$!

 

[Dr Grump]

You, ......and those like you, ... are the scum that keeps the nation divided.

Absolute crap...the kind of empty rhetoric that the likes of Beck and Palin spew is what is dividing your country.

Civil discourse has gone the way of the dodo. From the second Obama took office you guys have been going at him hammer and tongs. You did the same with Clinton. Lee Atwater was your guy, and I put the blame fairly and squarely on him (backed up later by Karl Rove) for the gutter politics that now pollute the US. The sad but funny thing is, to guys like Rove and Atwater it's just one big game. After all, they live(d) in their ivory towers, and none of the policies they champion will ever affect them...but you get the right wing trailer trash - who bear the brunt of these policies - getting fucked up the arse, and all the while thanking their right wing heroes for doing so, then blaming the left for the aftermath....

LOL, and you all were so loving and kind when Bush was in office and supported him 100%..
give us a break, there is NO difference today then back then, except you lefties are doing a lot more whining.

At the risk of sounding like I'm in the playground, you guys started it...

 

[Nosmo King]

I think you've all lost site of the subject matter. The real question is how PC do we want the USA to be?

I say fuck a bunch of P.C. If some politician says to take aim on a district or a race, then they are not talking about shooting someone, and everyone knows that. At least anyone with an ounce of sense knows it.

And to complain about any one person or any one side using any type of language is just as stupid when we all know that both left and right have used the same BS many times.

I could go on, but what's the use? No one is going to listen anyway.

It's not "PC" as much as it is a matter of taste. A political message is a sales pitch. A plea to 'buy' a policy, a position on an issue or a candidate. Even though the vast majority of folks don't take cross hairs on targeted congressmen literally, it still has an effect.

This summer at town hall meetings, congressmen and senators faced literal anger from the constituency wooed by Sarah Palin. We then saw pictures of Sarah's Tea Party folks with handguns strapped to their hips. And Sarah had those cross hairs on her website calling for her followers to not retreat, reload.

Now, I have absolutely nothing bad to say about the millions of responsible sportsmen and marksmen who are safety first in their use of guns. I would never advocate any restriction on their weapons. But Ollie, after Columbine and dozens of other sad schools, workplaces, post offices, homes, streets, ghettos, churches and museums, do you think using gun culture is the most savvy move? I mean, what has gun culture done for us lately? The next idea would have Todd lighting two cigarettes and handing one to Sarah like Paul Henreid and Bette Davis.