Palestinians want more then the " 67 borders"

[proudveteran06]

Which does not mention Palestine at all does it, nor does it mention the Palestinians. But the San Remo conference does and it states that the land is set aside for a Jewish homeland. This is enshrined in INTERNATIONAL LAW and is actually recognised by the UN as such. Take a look at article 80 of the UN charter.

The UN does not recognize all of Palestine as belonging to the Jews. Stop lying, in NaZIONist fashion.

The UN decided to partition Palestine, and Israel accepted this decision.

The UN decided to recognize Israel within the 1949 armistice lines, and Israel accepted this decision.

Its now settled.

What Israel " accepted" in 1949 the Arab Nations didn't. Israel does not/ will not accept it now. Stop lying; You Pro Palestinian Nazi Bigot

 

[Vigilante]

Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964... three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank [Judea and Samaria] and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs instigated). Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, was EGYPTIAN! In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people...a people with no history and no authenticity... whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!..... Know your history people, not the propaganda, this from an agnostic!

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”*123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”*124

*123 British Government, Report on the Administration under Mandate of Palestine, 1924, p. 6.

*124 Norman Bentwich, England in Palestine (London: The Mayflower Press, 1932), p. 106.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

So before 1924 When the English gov't declared there was a "Palestine" there was no such thing as a Palestinian people.....Thanks for the information.

 

[natstew]

Israel, the Jewish State, was not created by the U.N. in 1947 or any other year. It was reclaimed by the Jews in 1947. The first 'Nation State' to ever exist in the area between Egypt and Syria, (Assyria), and the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea was the Kingdom of Israel. There have always been, "Children Of Israel" living in the above described Land. Before Israel, there were only tribes and city states in the land ran by tyrants and despots. 'Jews', 'Children Of Israel' (Abraham was renamed Israel by God) have had a constant presence in the Promised Land since they returned from their sojourn in Egypt and conquered the uncivilized tribes and city-states in the area. Even after the Roman Diaspora there was a sizable presence of Jews in The Holy Land. They never officially gave it up and are still the most historical owners of the before described Land.
History didn't start with the U.N. Words on paper are just that, 'words on paper'.
If not for the oil wealth, the Arabs would still be wiping their asses by dragging them on the ground like the dogs they are, so called "Palestinians" included.

 

[MJB12741]

As soon as Israel turned the wasteland into a thriving metropolis, here came hoards of Palestinians to claim "it's our land." Heh Heh!

Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964... three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank [Judea and Samaria] and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs instigated). Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, was EGYPTIAN! In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people...a people with no history and no authenticity... whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!..... Know your history people, not the propaganda, this from an agnostic!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964... three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank [Judea and Samaria] and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs instigated). Even the so-called leader of the "Palestinian" people, Yasser Arafat, was EGYPTIAN! In short, the so-called Arab "Palestinians" are a manufactured people...a people with no history and no authenticity... whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!..... Know your history people, not the propaganda, this from an agnostic!

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”*123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”*124

*123 British Government, Report on the Administration under Mandate of Palestine, 1924, p. 6.

*124 Norman Bentwich, England in Palestine (London: The Mayflower Press, 1932), p. 106.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

So before 1924 When the English gov't declared there was a "Palestine" there was no such thing as a Palestinian people.....Thanks for the information.

Actually Palestine's international borders, its nationality, and citizenship were already determined. However, as long as Palestine was still officially under Turkish control none of that could be legal. Once the Treaty of Lausanne was signed, and Palestine was released from Turkish control, all of that preliminary stuff became legal. This was the same as all the other newly created states in the region.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”*123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”*124

*123 British Government, Report on the Administration under Mandate of Palestine, 1924, p. 6.

*124 Norman Bentwich, England in Palestine (London: The Mayflower Press, 1932), p. 106.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

So before 1924 When the English gov't declared there was a "Palestine" there was no such thing as a Palestinian people.....Thanks for the information.

Actually Palestine's international borders, its nationality, and citizenship were already determined. However, as long as Palestine was still officially under Turkish control none of that could be legal. Once the Treaty of Lausanne was signed, and Palestine was released from Turkish control, all of that preliminary stuff became legal. This was the same as all the other newly created states in the region.

You say that "all of that" was determined before 1924. Links?

 

[Phoenall]

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”*123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”*124

*123 British Government, Report on the Administration under Mandate of Palestine, 1924, p. 6.

*124 Norman Bentwich, England in Palestine (London: The Mayflower Press, 1932), p. 106.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

Which does not mention Palestine at all does it, nor does it mention the Palestinians. But the San Remo conference does and it states that the land is set aside for a Jewish homeland. This is enshrined in INTERNATIONAL LAW and is actually recognised by the UN as such. Take a look at article 80 of the UN charter.

Quote the part of San Remo the gives the Jews the exclusive rights to Palestine.

Like this do you mean

The decisions of the San Remo conference confirmed the mandate allocations of the First Conference of London (February 1920). The San Remo Resolution adopted on 25 April 1920 incorporated the Balfour Declaration of 1917. It and Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations were the basic documents upon which the British Mandate for Palestine was constructed. Under the Balfour Declaration, the British government had undertaken to favour the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine without prejudice to the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country

The Balfour Declaration

Foreign Office, November 2nd, 1917. Dear Lord Rothschild, I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet. "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of the object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious' rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country". I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours sincerely, (Signed) Arthur James Balfour -

 

[aris2chat]

Palestinians don't want '67 borders, they want the whole mandate, without any jews.

It's comments like that which shows the entire world the problem is not the Palestinian's, it's you fuckers!

The Palestinian's want the occupation to end and to be left alone.

That's it!

Sorry if you don't like the truth, but that is exactly what the palestinians want.

They speak with rocket attacks on Israel, loud and clear, no peace talks, no partition, no jews, no compromise. They want a palestine from the Jordan river to the sea. Eventually they want Jordan as well.

It is all part of the rhetoric you will hear if you spend any time with palestinian from the camps, hamas or the West Bank. They speak of a greater arab palestine, an Islamic palestine. No Israel! No jews (or christians)!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Which does not mention Palestine at all does it, nor does it mention the Palestinians. But the San Remo conference does and it states that the land is set aside for a Jewish homeland. This is enshrined in INTERNATIONAL LAW and is actually recognised by the UN as such. Take a look at article 80 of the UN charter.

Quote the part of San Remo the gives the Jews the exclusive rights to Palestine.

Like this do you mean

The decisions of the San Remo conference confirmed the mandate allocations of the First Conference of London (February 1920). The San Remo Resolution adopted on 25 April 1920 incorporated the Balfour Declaration of 1917. It and Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations were the basic documents upon which the British Mandate for Palestine was constructed. Under the Balfour Declaration, the British government had undertaken to favour the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine without prejudice to the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country

The Balfour Declaration

Foreign Office, November 2nd, 1917. Dear Lord Rothschild, I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet. "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of the object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious' rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country". I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation. Yours sincerely, (Signed) Arthur James Balfour -

Not withstanding the questions of legality of the Balfour declaration, the Jewish national home was to be in Palestine and include the existing non Jewish inhabitants of the country. There is nothing there about a Jewish state or exclusive Jewish rights. There is nothing there about removing the native population.

 

[Victory67]

Not withstanding the questions of legality of the Balfour declaration, the Jewish national home was to be in Palestine and include the existing non Jewish inhabitants of the country. There is nothing there about a Jewish state or exclusive Jewish rights. There is nothing there about removing the native population.

So you're saying the Balfour Declaration, San Remo Conferene, and Palestine Mandate didn't intend to kick out hundreds of thousands of Arabs from Jewish Palestine???

 

[aris2chat]

Not withstanding the questions of legality of the Balfour declaration, the Jewish national home was to be in Palestine and include the existing non Jewish inhabitants of the country. There is nothing there about a Jewish state or exclusive Jewish rights. There is nothing there about removing the native population.

So you're saying the Balfour Declaration, San Remo Conferene, and Palestine Mandate didn't intend to kick out hundreds of thousands of Arabs from Jewish Palestine???

Arabs told the palestinian to leave. Considering the size of the land the fact is was underpopulated, there was more than enough for arabs and jews. Most of Jordan's citizens are palestinians. Arab population doubled in size under the mandate due to arab immigration to the land. They came seeking jobs. It only require working and living in the mandate two years before the mandate ended to be called palestinians.
Palestinians did not have to leave. Propaganda and lie made them fear and run.
Arabs had raped and pillaged jews for more than 20 yrs so when arab radio told of horrors that Israel was committing against palestinians the listeners believed it.
It was never questioned, so they left.
Palestinians that stayed were welcomed as Israelis. Reunification programs were set up to integrate refugees back into Israel.
It is amazing the lies of the past are still believed today.
hate is truly blind

 

[Phoenall]

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”*123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”*124

*123 British Government, Report on the Administration under Mandate of Palestine, 1924, p. 6.

*124 Norman Bentwich, England in Palestine (London: The Mayflower Press, 1932), p. 106.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

So before 1924 When the English gov't declared there was a "Palestine" there was no such thing as a Palestinian people.....Thanks for the information.

Actually Palestine's international borders, its nationality, and citizenship were already determined. However, as long as Palestine was still officially under Turkish control none of that could be legal. Once the Treaty of Lausanne was signed, and Palestine was released from Turkish control, all of that preliminary stuff became legal. This was the same as all the other newly created states in the region.

As you have been told the Palestine then was soooooo much larger than your claimed Palestine now. And the treaty you are using deliberately did not name Palestine because of the proposed break up that would be a slap in the face for the arabs in Iraq, Syria and Jordan. The San Remo conference took precedence over everything else as it set the scene for the partition of Palestine into 5 states, and was entrenched in International law.

Now go away and try looking for the real facts and not the twisted islamonazi lies you spout.

 

[Phoenall]

Not withstanding the questions of legality of the Balfour declaration, the Jewish national home was to be in Palestine and include the existing non Jewish inhabitants of the country. There is nothing there about a Jewish state or exclusive Jewish rights. There is nothing there about removing the native population.

So you're saying the Balfour Declaration, San Remo Conferene, and Palestine Mandate didn't intend to kick out hundreds of thousands of Arabs from Jewish Palestine???

Correct but the arab muslims decided that they did not want to accept the LAWS so they expelled 500,000 Palestinians from their homes in may 1948. Then 1 million Jews from their homes the next year.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So before 1924 When the English gov't declared there was a "Palestine" there was no such thing as a Palestinian people.....Thanks for the information.

Actually Palestine's international borders, its nationality, and citizenship were already determined. However, as long as Palestine was still officially under Turkish control none of that could be legal. Once the Treaty of Lausanne was signed, and Palestine was released from Turkish control, all of that preliminary stuff became legal. This was the same as all the other newly created states in the region.

As you have been told the Palestine then was soooooo much larger than your claimed Palestine now. And the treaty you are using deliberately did not name Palestine because of the proposed break up that would be a slap in the face for the arabs in Iraq, Syria and Jordan. The San Remo conference took precedence over everything else as it set the scene for the partition of Palestine into 5 states, and was entrenched in International law.

Now go away and try looking for the real facts and not the twisted islamonazi lies you spout.

You are babbling.

You didn't refute one thing I said.

 

[Phoenall]

Actually Palestine's international borders, its nationality, and citizenship were already determined. However, as long as Palestine was still officially under Turkish control none of that could be legal. Once the Treaty of Lausanne was signed, and Palestine was released from Turkish control, all of that preliminary stuff became legal. This was the same as all the other newly created states in the region.

As you have been told the Palestine then was soooooo much larger than your claimed Palestine now. And the treaty you are using deliberately did not name Palestine because of the proposed break up that would be a slap in the face for the arabs in Iraq, Syria and Jordan. The San Remo conference took precedence over everything else as it set the scene for the partition of Palestine into 5 states, and was entrenched in International law.

Now go away and try looking for the real facts and not the twisted islamonazi lies you spout.

You are babbling.

You didn't refute one thing I said.

because there was nothing to refute apart from your fantasy that Palestine was mentioned in Lausanne. Which I stated was not the case, and that San Remo was drafted into International law as part of the mandate. This set the maps for the partitioning of Palestine into Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Trans Jordan and Israel. Destroying Palestine completely and wiping out the bad history of the place.

Now try and produce a link that names Palestine as a nation from before 1988 that is accepted as international law

 

[P F Tinmore]

As you have been told the Palestine then was soooooo much larger than your claimed Palestine now. And the treaty you are using deliberately did not name Palestine because of the proposed break up that would be a slap in the face for the arabs in Iraq, Syria and Jordan. The San Remo conference took precedence over everything else as it set the scene for the partition of Palestine into 5 states, and was entrenched in International law.

Now go away and try looking for the real facts and not the twisted islamonazi lies you spout.

You are babbling.

You didn't refute one thing I said.

because there was nothing to refute apart from your fantasy that Palestine was mentioned in Lausanne.

Where did I say that?

Which I stated was not the case, and that San Remo was drafted into International law as part of the mandate. This set the maps for the partitioning of Palestine into Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Trans Jordan and Israel.

Could you post a quote saying that?

Destroying Palestine completely and wiping out the bad history of the place.

Now try and produce a link that names Palestine as a nation from before 1988 that is accepted as international law

I did. You must have missed it.

 

[toastman]

You are babbling.

You didn't refute one thing I said.

because there was nothing to refute apart from your fantasy that Palestine was mentioned in Lausanne.

Where did I say that?

Which I stated was not the case, and that San Remo was drafted into International law as part of the mandate. This set the maps for the partitioning of Palestine into Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Trans Jordan and Israel.

Could you post a quote saying that?

Destroying Palestine completely and wiping out the bad history of the place.

Now try and produce a link that names Palestine as a nation from before 1988 that is accepted as international law

I did. You must have missed it.

Palestine was not a country before 1988. You dont know what you're talking about. If they were already a country, then why did they declare independence in 1988??

 

[toastman]

I just typed in Google: When did Palestine become a country and above the beginning of the links, it says: NOVEMBER 15, 1988 STATE OF PALESTINE FOUNDED

Of course, this is only one of the things that Ive shown Tinmore that Palestine the country was founded in 198&.

But according to him, all of the links are wrong and he is right.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

because there was nothing to refute apart from your fantasy that Palestine was mentioned in Lausanne.

Where did I say that?


Could you post a quote saying that?

Destroying Palestine completely and wiping out the bad history of the place.

Now try and produce a link that names Palestine as a nation from before 1988 that is accepted as international law

I did. You must have missed it.

Palestine was not a country before 1988. You dont know what you're talking about. If they were already a country, then why did they declare independence in 1988??

Even now, after 1988, it's not a fully independent country.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I just typed in Google: When did Palestine become a country and above the beginning of the links, it says: NOVEMBER 15, 1988 STATE OF PALESTINE FOUNDED

Of course, this is only one of the things that Ive shown Tinmore that Palestine the country was founded in 198&.

But according to him, all of the links are wrong and he is right.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Article 30 is of a great significance. It constituted a declaration of existing international law and the standard practice of states. This was despite the absence of a definite international law rule of state succession under which the nationals of predecessor state could ipso facto acquire the nationality of the successor.129 “As a rule, however, States have conferred their nationality on the former nationals of the predecessor State.”130 In practice, almost all peace treaties concluded between the Allies and other states at the end of World War I embodied nationality provisions similar to those of the Treaty of Lausanne. The inhabitants of Palestine, as the successors of this territory, henceforth acquired Palestinian nationality even if there was no treaty with Turkey.131

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel