Palestinians Reject Two State Solution

[Shusha]

But European Zionists never had sovereignty either, until Partition. At least in pre-history the native Muslim and Christian Palestinians could claim that their ancestors had sovereignty of Canaan, Judea, Samara, Philistia etc.

Oh wow. Really? The Jewish people, in antiquity, most certainly DID have sovereignty. And they have sovereignty now.

But the fact that a peoples hasn't yet had sovereignty doesn't mean they can't.

 

[P F Tinmore]

WRONG it was owned by absentee Ottoman landlords

And the Ottomans lost the war.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

You do not listen very well. One more time.

It's from 1936, printed in a Palestinian newspaper while you people say the Palestinians did not exist. LOL

(COMMENT)

In the 1936, the place called "Palestine" referred to the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. You will find this in Paragraph 1 Part I, Palestine Order In Council.

You have to remember, Palestine was within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers; NOT by the Arabs of the territory. You will find this in the San Remo Convention and the Mandate for Palestine.

Don't confuse the "Palestine" that you try to imply as some sort of self-governing institution or special entity, country or state, under the sovereignty of the Arab Palestinians. It certainly is not. It is a territorial name.

Most Respectfully,
R

Still shoveling Israeli shit, I see.

 

[Challenger]

But European Zionists never had sovereignty either, until Partition. At least in pre-history the native Muslim and Christian Palestinians could claim that their ancestors had sovereignty of Canaan, Judea, Samara, Philistia etc.

Oh wow. Really? The Jewish people, in antiquity, most certainly DID have sovereignty. And they have sovereignty now.

But the fact that a peoples hasn't yet had sovereignty doesn't mean they can't.

There was indeed, for a short period, a Jewish "regime" in the Palestine/Judea of antiquity although many, if not the majority of the lower class Palestinians/Judeans remained pagans. Unfortunately the overwhelming majority of practioners of Temple Judaism perished when the Romans got fed up with their continuing rebellions.

 

[Challenger]

montelatici, et al,

You do not listen very well. One more time.

It's from 1936, printed in a Palestinian newspaper while you people say the Palestinians did not exist. LOL

(COMMENT)

In the 1936, the place called "Palestine" referred to the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. You will find this in Paragraph 1 Part I, Palestine Order In Council.

You have to remember, Palestine was within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers; NOT by the Arabs of the territory. You will find this in the San Remo Convention and the Mandate for Palestine.

Don't confuse the "Palestine" that you try to imply as some sort of self-governing institution or special entity, country or state, under the sovereignty of the Arab Palestinians. It certainly is not. It is a territorial name.

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1936 the area may have been called Palestine because it has always been known as Palestine, ever since Heroditus wrote about it and probably before. It was known as Palestine right up until 1948 when the Zionists seceded to form their own "state". From 1920 until 1948 Palestine was considered an "sucessor state in waiting" alongside Syria, Lebanon, etc. The spanner in the works preventing Palestine joining Syria, Lebanon, etc. as an independant state, was the unforseen consequences of including Balfour's little note in the mandate text and allowing Zionist immigration in the first place.

 

[Hollie]

montelatici, et al,

You do not listen very well. One more time.

It's from 1936, printed in a Palestinian newspaper while you people say the Palestinians did not exist. LOL

(COMMENT)

In the 1936, the place called "Palestine" referred to the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. You will find this in Paragraph 1 Part I, Palestine Order In Council.

You have to remember, Palestine was within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers; NOT by the Arabs of the territory. You will find this in the San Remo Convention and the Mandate for Palestine.

Don't confuse the "Palestine" that you try to imply as some sort of self-governing institution or special entity, country or state, under the sovereignty of the Arab Palestinians. It certainly is not. It is a territorial name.

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1936 the area may have been called Palestine because it has always been known as Palestine, ever since Heroditus wrote about it and probably before. It was known as Palestine right up until 1948 when the Zionists seceded to form their own "state". From 1920 until 1948 Palestine was considered an "sucessor state in waiting" alongside Syria, Lebanon, etc. The spanner in the works preventing Palestine joining Syria, Lebanon, etc. as an independant state, was the unforseen consequences of including Balfour's little note in the mandate text and allowing Zionist immigration in the first place.

It's actually comically tragic how you IJH'ers continually attempt to re-write history.

 

[Phoenall]

It's from 1936, printed in a Palestinian newspaper while you people say the Palestinians did not exist. LOL

Because they used a title does not mean they existed under that title, they called themselves south Syrians generally. And in this paper they call themselves filastins because that is what they called the area. It was never a nation or country

 

[Phoenall]

Why do you address me, instead of the facts? I don't understand what you think you gain by ignoring the facts and addressing the poster the presents the facts to you. I don't mind, it seems you are attracted to me as you respond to every fact I present. Don't you have a significant other you can flirt with. I just don't like you, so quit flirting.

Because you dont post facts, you manipulate words until they meet with your POV

 

[Phoenall]

But European Zionists never had sovereignty either, until Partition. At least in pre-history the native Muslim and Christian Palestinians could claim that their ancestors had sovereignty of Canaan, Judea, Samara, Philistia etc.

WRONG as International law of 1922 gave then sovereignty of the land. A fact you ignore because it destroys your whole POV

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

You do not listen very well. One more time.

It's from 1936, printed in a Palestinian newspaper while you people say the Palestinians did not exist. LOL

(COMMENT)

In the 1936, the place called "Palestine" referred to the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. You will find this in Paragraph 1 Part I, Palestine Order In Council.

You have to remember, Palestine was within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers; NOT by the Arabs of the territory. You will find this in the San Remo Convention and the Mandate for Palestine.

Don't confuse the "Palestine" that you try to imply as some sort of self-governing institution or special entity, country or state, under the sovereignty of the Arab Palestinians. It certainly is not. It is a territorial name.

Most Respectfully,
R

In 1936 the area may have been called Palestine because it has always been known as Palestine, ever since Heroditus wrote about it and probably before. It was known as Palestine right up until 1948 when the Zionists seceded to form their own "state". From 1920 until 1948 Palestine was considered an "sucessor state in waiting" alongside Syria, Lebanon, etc. The spanner in the works preventing Palestine joining Syria, Lebanon, etc. as an independant state, was the unforseen consequences of including Balfour's little note in the mandate text and allowing Zionist immigration in the first place.

And where does it say that in any mandate documents, LoN treaties or minute's of the LoN meettings

 

[Phoenall]

WRONG it was owned by absentee Ottoman landlords

And the Ottomans lost the war.

Correct and the sovereingty of the former empire was transferred to the LoN, not the land title

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

You do not listen very well. One more time.

It's from 1936, printed in a Palestinian newspaper while you people say the Palestinians did not exist. LOL

(COMMENT)

In the 1936, the place called "Palestine" referred to the territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. You will find this in Paragraph 1 Part I, Palestine Order In Council.

You have to remember, Palestine was within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers; NOT by the Arabs of the territory. You will find this in the San Remo Convention and the Mandate for Palestine.

Don't confuse the "Palestine" that you try to imply as some sort of self-governing institution or special entity, country or state, under the sovereignty of the Arab Palestinians. It certainly is not. It is a territorial name.

Most Respectfully,
R

Still shoveling Israeli shit, I see.

Your stock answer now when you are shown to be wrong or are telling lies

 

[Phoenall]

But European Zionists never had sovereignty either, until Partition. At least in pre-history the native Muslim and Christian Palestinians could claim that their ancestors had sovereignty of Canaan, Judea, Samara, Philistia etc.

Oh wow. Really? The Jewish people, in antiquity, most certainly DID have sovereignty. And they have sovereignty now.

But the fact that a peoples hasn't yet had sovereignty doesn't mean they can't.

There was indeed, for a short period, a Jewish "regime" in the Palestine/Judea of antiquity although many, if not the majority of the lower class Palestinians/Judeans remained pagans. Unfortunately the overwhelming majority of practioners of Temple Judaism perished when the Romans got fed up with their continuing rebellions.

And there has never been an arab muslim regime at any time. And the stock answer of the neo nazi and neo marxist when faced with the truth, LIE

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

The overall politics that set the ground conditions for the Kurds, is not even remotely similar to that of the Arab Palestinians. The Kurdistan was specifically discussed in Section III, Articles 62 thru 64, Treaty of Sevres. However, that did not convert into the Treaty of Lausanne.

Poor analogy.

You don't understand very well. And, I don't listen to morons. The Palestinians considered themselves Palestinians even though the British refused to allow them exercise self-government, because they (the British) were intent on flooding the land with enough European Jews to be able to subjugate and expropriate the native Palestinian Muslims and Christians.

Just as Kurds consider themselves Kurds, who have never had a state under the sovereignty of Kurds.

(COMMENT)

Well, in 1936, the term "Palestinian" described Muslims, Jews and all others living in the region.

For the purposes of this Order [Palestine Legislative Council Election Order, 1922] and pending the introduction of an Order in Council regulating Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.
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SECTION III.
QUESTIONNAIRE OF PERMANENT MANDATES COMMISSION,
WITH BRIEF REPLIES.
I.--JEWISH NATIONAL HOME.
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3.Q. What measures have been taken to bring the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will safeguard the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion? What are the effects of these measures?

A. The Palestinian Citizenship Order in Council which was made in August, 1925, provides for the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by persons habitually resident in the country who were Ottoman subjects, and persons who were foreign subjects and take up permanent residence.

The Convention between His Majesty's Government and the Government of the United States which provides for the treatment of American citizens in Palestine and places them on the same footing as other foreign subjects, came into force in December, 1925. The Convention recites the Mandate and declares that the United States consents to the administration of Palestine by His Britannic Majesty pursuant to the Mandate. It expressly confers on the nationals of the United States the right to establish and maintain educational and religious institutions subject to the provision of any local laws for the maintenance of public order and public morals.

A Commission under the Chairmanship of Sir Anton Bertram, ex-Chief Justice of Ceylon, was appointed by the High Commissioner to enquire into controversies between the Orthodox Patriarchate and the Arab Orthodox Community as to the rights of the laity; controversies not affecting the custody of the Holy Places nor falling within the competence of the proposed Holy Places Commission. The Report of the Commission has not yet been published.
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"The 1925 Palestine Citizenship Order-in-Council, passed by the British government and implemented in the Palestine Mandate, was the first piece of mandate legislation to officially recognize Palestine's Arab community as citizens of Palestine rather than 'ex-enemy Ottoman subjects. This marked a change in the legal position of Palestine's Arab residents, and a confirmation of the de facto status of Palestine's Jewish residents. But as our guest Lauren Banko explains in this episode, the reality on the ground for the Arab inhabitants of Palestine and emigrants settled outside of the former Ottoman realms did not reflect the British mandatory understanding of citizenship."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

Nothing will please the Pali majority except the elimination of Israel & death to all Israeli citizens including Christians & Muslims as well as the Jews. Far better chance of hell freezing over.

Danon: History tells us the Palestinians don't want a state

 

[P F Tinmore]

3.Q. What measures have been taken to bring the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will safeguard the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion? What are the effects of these measures?

Thank you.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"The 1925 Palestine Citizenship Order-in-Council, passed by the British government and implemented in the Palestine Mandate, was the first piece of mandate legislation to officially recognize Palestine's Arab community as citizens of Palestine rather than 'ex-enemy Ottoman subjects. This marked a change in the legal position of Palestine's Arab residents, and a confirmation of the de facto status of Palestine's Jewish residents.

Thank you.

 

[Phoenall]

3.Q. What measures have been taken to bring the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will safeguard the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion? What are the effects of these measures?

Thank you.

So why have you done a monte and manipulated the text ?

 

[Phoenall]

"The 1925 Palestine Citizenship Order-in-Council, passed by the British government and implemented in the Palestine Mandate, was the first piece of mandate legislation to officially recognize Palestine's Arab community as citizens of Palestine rather than 'ex-enemy Ottoman subjects. This marked a change in the legal position of Palestine's Arab residents, and a confirmation of the de facto status of Palestine's Jewish residents.

Thank you.

Do you understand what is being said here ?

 

[Challenger]

Nothing will please the Pali majority except the elimination of Israel & death to all Israeli citizens including Christians & Muslims as well as the Jews. Far better chance of hell freezing over.

Danon: History tells us the Palestinians don't want a state

That's basically Goebbels saying Germany didn't want a war but the "Jews" left them with no choice.