US developing plan to move 1 million Palestinians to Libya, NBC News reports

[Shusha]

Just because lots of people were killed during an event doesn't make each slaughter a genocide.

Yes. This has been my claim all along.

 

[The Duke]

Nah...you have it ass-backwards. I think when you have generation after generation of Palestinians taught to commit murder....it's impossible for them to get along with Jews.

Which is better, getting rid of people that seem to have open minds.....or getting rid of people who have been brainwashed into thinking that everything bad in the world is because of Israel?
Not to mention the fact that all Palestinians have done for decades is work toward killing their neighbors. They're essentially wards of the state and cannot operate a society on their own. But Israel can. And you want to displace the only Democracy in the Middle-East in favor of a group of people who will need caring for forever. What will Palestinians do when they don't have someone to blame all of their crap on?

Inbreed. Matter of fact they got a helluva head start on that!

 

[mudwhistle]

All you're demonstrating is that you know nothing about the region other than being programmed to hate people who you have never even met by Fox News etc.

The rational world strongly opposes Zionist genocide paid for by American citizens.

After all, Israel would not survive without unfettered American and German welfare.

Oh contraire.

I have met Palestinians.....both in Arabic School and while training them myself.

I understand exactly where they're come from.......but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

"CLARIFICATION"





Re:


That's precisely the sentiment of most of the world to apologists who laugh about the systematic extermination of Palestine's native residents.

Labeling something a genocide depends if you want to follow the strict definition of the word "genocide" or render the word meaningless like "anti Semite".

Just because lots of people were killed during an event doesn't make each slaughter a genocide.

For example:
From AI:

"Genocide is defined as the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people based on their national, ethnic, racial, or religious identity. It involves acts committed with the intent to destroy the group, in whole or in part, through various means, including killing, physical destruction, or cultural annihilation."

If Palestinians were among the high ranking IDF military officers or among the high ranking Likud members then, the Nakba, too, would not fit the technical definition of a genocide.

Placing a higher value on one ethnic group over all others especially as a rationalization to exterminate them is simply racist.

The selective outrage at any inconvenient fact about the Holocaust from individuals who attempt to promote genocide in former Palestine is as hypocritical as it is grotesquely cultish.

When you try to kill a large group of people....like 1500 or so....then that's genocide.
Trying to kill hundreds of the same race is ethnic cleansing......something Muslims have been doing for about 1200 years.

 

[Grau]

Yes. This has been my claim all along.

I'm glad that we agree on that.

To be clear, I think that genuine Holocaust denial is as absurd as it is repulsive.

I'm simply going by what a commonly accepted definition of the word "genocide" says.

Again, technically, a massacre that is not a genocide may be more horrific than one that is.

I believe you are thinking that a genocide has to do with the magnitude of a mass killing and that is not my interpretation of the definition.

I also believe that the definition of the word "genocide" has to do with the way a mass killing is carried out and who is selected to be killed, not the enormity of a mass killing or number of people killed.

Finally, I'm pretty sure that it was Stalin who who observed that:

"One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is just a statistic."

 

[Shusha]

I believe you are thinking that a genocide has to do with the magnitude of a mass killing ...

You are incorrect.

 

[Grau]

Oh contraire.

I have met Palestinians.....both in Arabic School and while training them myself.

I understand exactly where they're come from.......but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

When you try to kill a large group of people....like 1500 or so....then that's genocide.
Trying to kill hundreds of the same race is ethnic cleansing......something Muslims have been doing for about 1200 years.

First, I'm sorry I misjudged your experience with Palestinians. It sounds like your Palestinians were more recent and better off than the ones with whom I stayed for almost two months in 1973.

While I met Palestinians throughout Iraq, Syria, Turkey etc, I spent the most time with my old Army sleeping bag and a small backpack living in and around the refugee camps in Southern Lebanon during the '73 War.
[Hitch-hiker's Rule #1, travel light.]

Since this was over 50 years ago, I was able to talk to the older Nakba survivors of 1948 who had only what they could carry from their homes and farms of generations.

Among their most prized possessions were old photo albums containing photos of their former homes and murdered family members.

I regard their survivor stories to be as valid as Holocaust survivors only the Palestinians are still being exterminated after 80 years of torment from foreign Zionist terrorist gangs.


Next, I clarified he strict definition of Genocide in my earlier comment.

Genocide has nothing to do with the number of people killed; where do you draw the line?

Thanks,

 

[mudwhistle]

First, I'm sorry I misjudged your experience with Palestinians. It sounds like your Palestinians were more recent and better off than the ones with whom I stayed for almost two months in 1973.

While I met Palestinians throughout Iraq, Syria, Turkey etc, I spent the most time with my old Army sleeping bag and a small backpack living in and around the refugee camps in Southern Lebanon during the '73 War.
[Hitch-hiker's Rule #1, travel light.]

Since this was over 50 years ago, I was able to talk to the older Nakba survivors of 1948 who had only what they could carry from their homes and farms of generations.

Among their most prized possessions were old photo albums containing photos of their former homes and murdered family members.

I regard their survivor stories to be as valid as Holocaust survivors only the Palestinians are still being exterminated after 80 years of torment from foreign Zionist terrorist gangs.


Next, I clarified he strict definition of Genocide in my earlier comment.

Genocide has nothing to do with the number of people killed; where do you draw the line?

Thanks,

Genocide is when you are actively trying to eradicate the planet of a race or tribe.

My experience with them started in the 80s and 90s.

Incidentally my wife's nephew is 1st generation Somali-American.

I spent most of 93' in Mogadishu.

My nephew was born with a Muslim name, but he doesn't know anything about the religion.

It was pretty hilarious to me listening to Kuwaitis argue over religion during breaks when I was helping train them. They take pride in their complex language and their complex religion.

One of my other Arabic instructors was Lebanese. He was a pretty nice guy. He just was a bit swelled headed about his ability to speak more than one language compared to most Americans.

I've learned some Spanish and German. Learned how to read Arabic and a bit of Persian-Farsi. All of that has faded over the years since I never use it anymore.

 

[JoeB131]

Far away from Israel and in the middle of nowhere? Absolutely!

Except those people can come back.

You do get that, right?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Except those people can come back.

You do get that, right?

There will be a 'do not return' requirement in the documents, I suspect, JoeB.

 

[Grau]

You are incorrect.

Please clarify.

What's wrong with the AI definition of Genocide I've been posting:

"Genocide is defined as the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people based on their national, ethnic, racial, or religious identity. It involves acts committed with the intent to destroy the group, in whole or in part, through various means, including killing, physical destruction, or cultural annihilation."

Next, do you understand that I am simply going by a strict definition of the word "Genocide" when I wrote that the Holocaust was not technically a genocide because Jews held high ranking positions in both the government and military.

I was not attempting to minimize or trivialize the tragic event.
I am only looking linguistic accuracy.

Just as most people will respond that the earth is round when, because of the tides, it is slightly elliptical, most people will continue to classify the Holocaust as a genocide while it is technically another form of mass killing.

In other words, a "Genocide" can be either more or less horrific than another mass killing.

Words have meanings and misusing them only causes confusion.

Now do you understand?

 

[Shusha]

Please clarify.

You were incorrect in claiming that I believe a genocide has to do with the magnitude of a mass killing.

What's wrong with the AI definition of Genocide I've been posting:

"Genocide is defined as the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people based on their national, ethnic, racial, or religious identity. It involves acts committed with the intent to destroy the group, in whole or in part, through various means, including killing, physical destruction, or cultural annihilation."

Nothing is wrong with it. It is fairly close to the legal definition from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which is the one I use.

Next, do you understand that I am simply going by a strict definition of the word "Genocide" when I wrote that the Holocaust was not technically a genocide because Jews held high ranking positions in both the government and military.

I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like you are saying that since there might be some high-ranking Jews in the government and military who may have been permitted to live for a time, that the intent was not to deliberately and systematically destroy a group based on their ethnic identity. If that is what you intend, I do not think you have met a reasonable standard for excluding the Holocaust as a genocide.

I was not attempting to minimize or trivialize the tragic event.
I am only looking linguistic accuracy.

You absolutely do intend to minimize it by claiming it was not a genocide. Or, if you have not intended it, your words have had the effect of minimizing it. And we do see you as a Holocaust denier.

Words have meanings and misusing them only causes confusion.

We agree. Which is why I vehemently argue that Israel actions in its war with Hamas in Gaza do not meet the criteria of genocide and that terminology should not be used. The reason it does not meet the criteria is that there is no intent for the destruction of a group based on their national identity.

 

[Sayaras]

Hokocaust denial sites promoter GRAU:

"HOLO-HYSTERIA"
..

Guess who's the infamous bigot creating pages: "ongoing nakba[sic]" and a so-called "nakba denial[sic]"; and based on what 'sources'?

Guess who's the infamous bigot creating pages: "ongoing nakba[sic]" and a so-called "nakba denial[sic]"; and based on what 'sources'?

The troll on wikipedia, recently: Anti Jewish hater TFP 'Tech for Palestine' "iskandar323" even messed with a simple Jewish Sabbath dish. [A...

on-wiki-facts.blogspot.com

https://archive.ph/goTFH

Iskandar323 is currency banned from editing on Israel fakestine

 

[Grau]

"HOKO-HOLO-HOGWASH"

Hokocaust denial sites promoter GRAU:

Guess who's the infamous bigot creating pages: "ongoing nakba[sic]" and a so-called "nakba denial[sic]"; and based on what 'sources'?

Guess who's the infamous bigot creating pages: "ongoing nakba[sic]" and a so-called "nakba denial[sic]"; and based on what 'sources'?

The troll on wikipedia, recently: Anti Jewish hater TFP 'Tech for Palestine' "iskandar323" even messed with a simple Jewish Sabbath dish. [A...

on-wiki-facts.blogspot.com

https://archive.ph/goTFH

Iskandar323 is currency banned from editing on Israel fakestine

I have repeatedly dared you and your fellow genocidal miscreants to show where I have ever denied that the "Hokocaust" (sic) happened and, to this day, none of you have or can.

Therefore, you and your fellow Ziono-Bots don't deserve another response exposing your chronic dishonesty.

Get an honest job.

 

[Sayaras]

GRAU, as in promoting Holocaust-denial IHRandBarnesReview and then posing as innocent, and lies, again.

"HOKO-HOLO-HOGWASH"

Guess who's the infamous bigot creating pages: "ongoing nakba[sic]" and a so-called "nakba denial[sic]"; and based on what 'sources'?

The troll on wikipedia, recently: Anti Jewish hater TFP 'Tech for Palestine' "iskandar323" even messed with a simple Jewish Sabbath dish. [A...

on-wiki-facts.blogspot.com

Wiki facts​

Guess who's the infamous bigot creating pages: "ongoing nakba[sic]" and a so-called "nakba denial[sic]"; and based on what 'sources'?​

May 24, 2025
The troll on wikipedia, recently:

Anti Jewish hater TFP 'Tech for Palestine' "iskandar323" even messed with a simple Jewish Sabbath dish.

[After some edit about a great Mosque...].

[2025-03-20]

Cholent: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

Because you know: "free Palestine" whatever.



He is the one creating the page: "Ongoing Nakba[sic]" [2022-12-19]

And [2023-10-20] creating the page "nakba denial]sic" to play on / and dininish 'Holocaust denial'.

[Iskandar323 - Pages Created - XTools]



And more infamous for leading the campaign to ban ADL in 2024.

Antisemitism is a disease.

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Islandar323 began the 'ongoing nakba[sic]' page based on: Joseph Massad, Elias Khouri and Hannan Ashrawi, all three known for dirty bigotry. He even mentioned the infamous hatefest 2001 Durban, as if it "adds" credibility.

DURBAN 2001:

UN Watch at the 2001 Durban Conference
August 18, 2010
Antisemitism, United Nations.
UN Watch at the 2001 Durban Conference - UN Watch/

20 years since Durban: Most sickening display of Jew-hate since Nazis.
By Lahav Harkov. September 24, 2021.
20 years since Durban: Most sickening display of Jew-hate since Nazis



ELIAS KHOURY:

Inspired by Violence? KCL Action Palestine & Ghassan Kanafani
Esther Walker, Jun 23, 2020.
...Khoury himself has been accused of “Holocaust inversion” and historical negationism in his novel Children of the Ghetto: My Name Is Adam, which addresses an antisemitic canard about a massacre in Lydda (modern-day Lod) which some claim never happened...
The Blogs: Inspired by Violence? KCL Action Palestine & Ghassan Kanafani



HANNAN ASHRAWI:

PLO Official Hanan Ashrawi's NGO Publishes Passover Blood Libel
Mar 28, 2013 — MIFTAH, an NGO whose founder PLO Official Hanan Ashrawi is a well known media personality in the West...
PLO Official Hanan Ashrawi’s NGO Publishes Passover Blood Libel - Algemeiner.com/

Media Celebrate Anti-Israel Propagandist Hanan Ashrawi After She Resigns From PLO.
By: Myron Kaplan December 20, 2020.
Media Celebrate Anti-Israel Propagandist Hanan Ashrawi After She Resigns From PLO/



JOSEPH MASSAD:

Stormfront Material from Columbia University Professor Joseph Massad.
By Petra Marquardt-Bigman. May 3, 2013
Stormfront Material from Columbia University Professor Joseph Massad - Algemeiner.com

I once fell for the Columbia prof who celebrated Hamas’ massacre — he has the power to infect.
By Liel Leibovitz. New York Post. Oct. 17, 2023.
I once fell for the Columbia prof who celebrated Hamas’ massacre — he has the power to infect

Columbia professor who praised Hamas massacre to teach course on Zionism.
The Jerusalem Post. December 16, 2024.
Columbia professor who praised Hamas massacre to teach course on Zionism

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His "Nakba denial[sic]" page, his repeated- first source is Maha Nassar. On July 10, 2019 she praised PFLP's Ghassan Kanafani, and on Aug 18, 2022 Maha Nassar posted support for the 6 PFLP terror linked groups.

The Minister of Defense designated six organizations of "Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine" as terror organizations.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211102183724/https://nbctf.mod.gov.il/en/Pages/211021EN.aspx

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Related:

r/Palestinian_Violence

(Feb 2025)

[English Wikipedia] Iskandar323, the leading Hamas propagandist who has been topic-banned since late January 2025, repeatedly violated his or her topic ban. However, the admins only issued Iskandar323 a logged warning rather than a site ban...

 

[cnm]

That would be... incredibly stupid.

We should see it implemented pretty quickly then.

 

[Pastelli]

GRAU, as in promoting Holocaust-denial IHRandBarnesReview and then posing as innocent, and lies, again.

Guess who's the infamous bigot creating pages: "ongoing nakba[sic]" and a so-called "nakba denial[sic]"; and based on what 'sources'?

The troll on wikipedia, recently: Anti Jewish hater TFP 'Tech for Palestine' "iskandar323" even messed with a simple Jewish Sabbath dish. [A...

on-wiki-facts.blogspot.com

German sources for 17 Million Jews before the Holocaust in 1939, before the 1944 Mufti inciting Arabs against the 'remaining' 11 Million.


German source in 1924:

Wirth, Albrecht. Weltgeschichte der Gegenwart (1879-1924). Germany: G. Westermann, 1924. p. 425.

Weltgeschichte der Gegenwart (1879-1924)

books.google.com

[Dem stelle man die Semiten mit schätzungsweise 45 Millionen , wovon 17 Millionen Juden.]

Put the Semites with an estimated 45 million, of which 17 million Jews...

Nazi German book in 1938:

"Forschungen zur Judenfrage," Vol. 3, 1938, p. 156:

[Um das Jahr 1937 lebten auf der Erde insgesamt rund 17 Millionen Juden. Davon entfallen über 10 Millionen oder rund drei Fünftel auf Europa...]

Around 1937 there were a total of around 17 million Jews living on earth. Of these, more than 10 million or around three fifths are in Europe...

Forschungen zur Judenfrage

books.google.com

Nazi Germany book in 1939

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter-Partei. Rassenpolitisches Amt. "Neues Volk." Vol. 7, Iss. 1-9, p. 40. Germany: n.p., 1939.

[National-socialist German Workers' Party. Racial Policy Office, "New People". 1939]

[Dr. Burgdörfer hielt in der Universität Berlin einen Vortrag über die zahlenmäßige Verbreitung der Juden auf der Welt. Er schäßt 17 Millionen Juden . Davon entfallen 10 Millionen auf Europa, 5 Millionen auf Amerika, 1 knappe Million...]

Dr. (Friedrich) Burgdörfer gave a lecture at the University of Berlin on the numerical distribution of Jews in the world. He estimates 17 million Jews. Of this, 10 million are in Europe, 5 million in America, and almost 1 million...

____

By September 1944, the Arab Muslim leader, Palestine Hitler's Mufti al-Husseini, incited the Arab world against (the remaining) 11 million - (after 6 Million were gone by the Nazis and their helpers).

Auschwitz 1989

books.google.com

Midstream

books.google.com

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP69B00369R000200290062-5.pdf

Hitler's war against Jews continues in 'Palestine' | The Jerusalem Post

www.jpost.com

 

[Sayaras]

Palestinian Media Watch

Arab refugee blames arab lies for triggering mass flight in ‎‎1948‎​

Itamar Marcus|Jun 9
2 testimonies:

• 1948 Refugee: The Arab media "lied and deceived the people"
• Palestinian "settlement affairs" expert: "The Arab states promised them [in 1948] that they would return after a week"

Interviewed on official PÅ TV, Palestinian refugee Muhammad Khana complained that the lying Arab propaganda and media is what made the Arabs leave in 1948 during Israel's War of Independence:

Palestinian refugee Muhammad Khana: "[In 1948, the Arab] propaganda and media had a central role in us leaving. The media and propaganda, the propaganda [claimed] that there is a horrifying [Jewish] force coming."

[Official PA TV, Source of the Story, May 13, 2025]​

Palestinian Media Watch reported on an interview in 2022 with Khana in which he was explicit: The Arab media "lied and deceived" people, claiming that the Jews "killed and slaughtered," which made Arabs flee:

Palestinian refugee Muhammad Khana Zakariya: "The resistance [in 1948] was organized but every town was alone. We had no leadership, because when the Arab armies came in, they did not agree to recognize a Palestinian state… The most dangerous thing for us was the media. There was no [Arab] TV. There were [Arab] radio and newspapers. Every night towards evening I would read the paper to the elderly in our neighborhood. They enjoyed it and were happy. They heard that in a certain town the Jews did this and that. They killed and slaughtered. Of course, the newspapers lied, and the radio also lied. In other words, they deceived the people. [They said:] The [Arab] armies are coming, the forces are coming, and so on. No way."

[Official PA TV, My Home is There, May 14, 2022]​

Similarly, Palestinian "settlement affairs" expert Khalil Al-Tafakji recently confirmed Arab responsibility for the refugees leaving, saying they left because the Arab leaders told people to leave in 1948, promising them they would return shortly:

"Settlement affairs" expert Khalil Al-Tafakji: "The Palestinian people is paying attention to this point: That the issue of the 1948 Nakba (i.e., "the catastrophe," the establishment of Israel) will not repeat itself. They will not leave the land and [believe] as the Arab states promised them [in 1948] that they would return after a week. [Instead] they have remained scattered around the world for 70 years until now."

[Official PA TV, War Documents, March 1, 2025]​

Palestinian Media Watch has exposed numerous testimonies by Arab refugees, confirming that it was Arab leaders, Arab armies, and the Arab media that caused the Arabs to flee and become refugees:



Muhammad Khana left the abandoned Arab town of Zakariya near Beit Shemesh in the 1948 Israeli War of Independence