US developing plan to move 1 million Palestinians to Libya, NBC News reports

[Shusha]

Just because lots of people were killed during an event doesn't make each slaughter a genocide.

Yes. This has been my claim all along.

 

[The Duke]

Nah...you have it ass-backwards. I think when you have generation after generation of Palestinians taught to commit murder....it's impossible for them to get along with Jews.

Which is better, getting rid of people that seem to have open minds.....or getting rid of people who have been brainwashed into thinking that everything bad in the world is because of Israel?
Not to mention the fact that all Palestinians have done for decades is work toward killing their neighbors. They're essentially wards of the state and cannot operate a society on their own. But Israel can. And you want to displace the only Democracy in the Middle-East in favor of a group of people who will need caring for forever. What will Palestinians do when they don't have someone to blame all of their crap on?

Inbreed. Matter of fact they got a helluva head start on that!

 

[mudwhistle]

All you're demonstrating is that you know nothing about the region other than being programmed to hate people who you have never even met by Fox News etc.

The rational world strongly opposes Zionist genocide paid for by American citizens.

After all, Israel would not survive without unfettered American and German welfare.

Oh contraire.

I have met Palestinians.....both in Arabic School and while training them myself.

I understand exactly where they're come from.......but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

"CLARIFICATION"





Re:


That's precisely the sentiment of most of the world to apologists who laugh about the systematic extermination of Palestine's native residents.

Labeling something a genocide depends if you want to follow the strict definition of the word "genocide" or render the word meaningless like "anti Semite".

Just because lots of people were killed during an event doesn't make each slaughter a genocide.

For example:
From AI:

"Genocide is defined as the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people based on their national, ethnic, racial, or religious identity. It involves acts committed with the intent to destroy the group, in whole or in part, through various means, including killing, physical destruction, or cultural annihilation."

If Palestinians were among the high ranking IDF military officers or among the high ranking Likud members then, the Nakba, too, would not fit the technical definition of a genocide.

Placing a higher value on one ethnic group over all others especially as a rationalization to exterminate them is simply racist.

The selective outrage at any inconvenient fact about the Holocaust from individuals who attempt to promote genocide in former Palestine is as hypocritical as it is grotesquely cultish.

When you try to kill a large group of people....like 1500 or so....then that's genocide.
Trying to kill hundreds of the same race is ethnic cleansing......something Muslims have been doing for about 1200 years.

 

[Grau]

Yes. This has been my claim all along.

I'm glad that we agree on that.

To be clear, I think that genuine Holocaust denial is as absurd as it is repulsive.

I'm simply going by what a commonly accepted definition of the word "genocide" says.

Again, technically, a massacre that is not a genocide may be more horrific than one that is.

I believe you are thinking that a genocide has to do with the magnitude of a mass killing and that is not my interpretation of the definition.

I also believe that the definition of the word "genocide" has to do with the way a mass killing is carried out and who is selected to be killed, not the enormity of a mass killing or number of people killed.

Finally, I'm pretty sure that it was Stalin who who observed that:

"One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is just a statistic."

 

[Shusha]

I believe you are thinking that a genocide has to do with the magnitude of a mass killing ...

You are incorrect.

 

[Grau]

Oh contraire.

I have met Palestinians.....both in Arabic School and while training them myself.

I understand exactly where they're come from.......but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

When you try to kill a large group of people....like 1500 or so....then that's genocide.
Trying to kill hundreds of the same race is ethnic cleansing......something Muslims have been doing for about 1200 years.

First, I'm sorry I misjudged your experience with Palestinians. It sounds like your Palestinians were more recent and better off than the ones with whom I stayed for almost two months in 1973.

While I met Palestinians throughout Iraq, Syria, Turkey etc, I spent the most time with my old Army sleeping bag and a small backpack living in and around the refugee camps in Southern Lebanon during the '73 War.
[Hitch-hiker's Rule #1, travel light.]

Since this was over 50 years ago, I was able to talk to the older Nakba survivors of 1948 who had only what they could carry from their homes and farms of generations.

Among their most prized possessions were old photo albums containing photos of their former homes and murdered family members.

I regard their survivor stories to be as valid as Holocaust survivors only the Palestinians are still being exterminated after 80 years of torment from foreign Zionist terrorist gangs.


Next, I clarified he strict definition of Genocide in my earlier comment.

Genocide has nothing to do with the number of people killed; where do you draw the line?

Thanks,

 

[mudwhistle]

First, I'm sorry I misjudged your experience with Palestinians. It sounds like your Palestinians were more recent and better off than the ones with whom I stayed for almost two months in 1973.

While I met Palestinians throughout Iraq, Syria, Turkey etc, I spent the most time with my old Army sleeping bag and a small backpack living in and around the refugee camps in Southern Lebanon during the '73 War.
[Hitch-hiker's Rule #1, travel light.]

Since this was over 50 years ago, I was able to talk to the older Nakba survivors of 1948 who had only what they could carry from their homes and farms of generations.

Among their most prized possessions were old photo albums containing photos of their former homes and murdered family members.

I regard their survivor stories to be as valid as Holocaust survivors only the Palestinians are still being exterminated after 80 years of torment from foreign Zionist terrorist gangs.


Next, I clarified he strict definition of Genocide in my earlier comment.

Genocide has nothing to do with the number of people killed; where do you draw the line?

Thanks,

Genocide is when you are actively trying to eradicate the planet of a race or tribe.

My experience with them started in the 80s and 90s.

Incidentally my wife's nephew is 1st generation Somali-American.

I spent most of 93' in Mogadishu.

My nephew was born with a Muslim name, but he doesn't know anything about the religion.

It was pretty hilarious to me listening to Kuwaitis argue over religion during breaks when I was helping train them. They take pride in their complex language and their complex religion.

One of my other Arabic instructors was Lebanese. He was a pretty nice guy. He just was a bit swelled headed about his ability to speak more than one language compared to most Americans.

I've learned some Spanish and German. Learned how to read Arabic and a bit of Persian-Farsi. All of that has faded over the years since I never use it anymore.

 

[JoeB131]

Far away from Israel and in the middle of nowhere? Absolutely!

Except those people can come back.

You do get that, right?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Except those people can come back.

You do get that, right?

There will be a 'do not return' requirement in the documents, I suspect, JoeB.

 

[Grau]

You are incorrect.

Please clarify.

What's wrong with the AI definition of Genocide I've been posting:

"Genocide is defined as the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people based on their national, ethnic, racial, or religious identity. It involves acts committed with the intent to destroy the group, in whole or in part, through various means, including killing, physical destruction, or cultural annihilation."

Next, do you understand that I am simply going by a strict definition of the word "Genocide" when I wrote that the Holocaust was not technically a genocide because Jews held high ranking positions in both the government and military.

I was not attempting to minimize or trivialize the tragic event.
I am only looking linguistic accuracy.

Just as most people will respond that the earth is round when, because of the tides, it is slightly elliptical, most people will continue to classify the Holocaust as a genocide while it is technically another form of mass killing.

In other words, a "Genocide" can be either more or less horrific than another mass killing.

Words have meanings and misusing them only causes confusion.

Now do you understand?

 

[Shusha]

Please clarify.

You were incorrect in claiming that I believe a genocide has to do with the magnitude of a mass killing.

What's wrong with the AI definition of Genocide I've been posting:

"Genocide is defined as the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people based on their national, ethnic, racial, or religious identity. It involves acts committed with the intent to destroy the group, in whole or in part, through various means, including killing, physical destruction, or cultural annihilation."

Nothing is wrong with it. It is fairly close to the legal definition from the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which is the one I use.

Next, do you understand that I am simply going by a strict definition of the word "Genocide" when I wrote that the Holocaust was not technically a genocide because Jews held high ranking positions in both the government and military.

I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like you are saying that since there might be some high-ranking Jews in the government and military who may have been permitted to live for a time, that the intent was not to deliberately and systematically destroy a group based on their ethnic identity. If that is what you intend, I do not think you have met a reasonable standard for excluding the Holocaust as a genocide.

I was not attempting to minimize or trivialize the tragic event.
I am only looking linguistic accuracy.

You absolutely do intend to minimize it by claiming it was not a genocide. Or, if you have not intended it, your words have had the effect of minimizing it. And we do see you as a Holocaust denier.

Words have meanings and misusing them only causes confusion.

We agree. Which is why I vehemently argue that Israel actions in its war with Hamas in Gaza do not meet the criteria of genocide and that terminology should not be used. The reason it does not meet the criteria is that there is no intent for the destruction of a group based on their national identity.