Palestinians demand return of "their" heritage -- Dead Sea Scolls

[Phoenall]

As you can see, Shusha , he is still parking himself here while hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Christians have been killed in other areas of the Middle East, and there are probably thousands and thousands who are wounded and unable to get medical care. We know that there are several million displaced people. The antiquities which have been destroyed there can never be replaced, but it is more important for him to constantly whine that the Scrolls belong to the Palestinians. Perhaps someone could arrange to have him sit down with a Palestinian and ask his new friend to read a couple of pages from the Scrolls.

As for the Muslims thoughts about Christianity.

'Break the Cross!' Muhammad Commands It

It was Shusha who made the Opening Post on this topic, not me.
He did it to mock the Palestinian people and I, for one, will not join in demeaning a people.

Don't you realize that all along you have been mocking the Jewish people by saying ancient scrolls written mainly in Hebrew don't belong to them, but belong to a people who have had nothing in common with the Jewish religion nor the Hebrew language.. We have seen this for years on forums. The Palestinians are used as pawns by others to get in their knocks in about the Jews. They care nothing about the suffering of people in other areas of the Middle East. So tell us, Eloy, since you are so familiar with shetls, are you familiar with the poverty that existed in many countries surrounding Israel that the Arabs came into Israel in droves (as reported by Winston Churchill)?

Churchill: Jews did not uproot Arabs. To the contrary, more Arabs came to Palestine because of the Jews - Reader comments for Gatestone Institute

I wrote that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong to everyone. I never said they do not belong to the Jews but I did write that they do not belong to the Israelis who purloined them.

I don't feel like going thru the whole thread. Give me a little history here. Academically, the Dead Sea Scrolls are mostly in the Hebrew language, and contain the Hebrew Bible. But who was in possession of them first and how did Israel "purloin" them?

The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered between 1946 and 1956 in eleven caves close to a an ancient Jewish settlement in Qumran in the eastern Judaean Desert which is now in the occupied West Bank. The Jewish sect at Qumran became extinct in the early Christian period.

They were housed in the Palestine Archaeological Museum in East Jerusalem when the Israelis invaded the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, in 1967. Once in Israeli possession, they were purloined by the Israeli government and are now kept by the Israeli Antiquities Authority in West Jerusalem.

So lets see if this is right


Jewish works of antiquity showing the religious practises of the Jewish people were found in caves on land stolen by Jordan who that disowned them and threw them away. A Christian archeologist recognised them few pieces offered on a market stall for what they were and bought them for the Catholic church and an American museum. Jordan then realises that they are historical artifacts that could blow up in their faces and prove that the Jews were there before the arab muslims so start to collect as many fragments as they could and put them on display in a museum . In 1967 the forces of Jordan attack Israel and are beaten back over the river Jordan so that the land granted to the Jews under international law comes under Jewish jurisdiction. The fragments are moved to a more secure facility a short distance away for all to see.


So who stole them first and was looking at ways to destroy them so the world would be ignorant of their contents ?

 

[Phoenall]

What language do European Jews have in common with all other Jews? Hebrew.

You don't say.

View of a typical Polish Shtetl in which Yiddish was spoken before the Final Solution.

So what's your argument here?

I argue against Shusha that the language of European Jews was not Hebrew but Yiddish.

And you argue from a positing of lacking intelligence as Yiddish is based on Hebrew. Just as Harlem ghetto talk is based on English and Jamaican

 

[Phoenall]

What language do European Jews have in common with all other Jews? Hebrew.

You don't say.

View of a typical Polish Shtetl in which Yiddish was spoken before the Final Solution.

Do tell us, Eloy, in what language are the Jewish prayers said in and in what language do the Jewish students in Yeshivas study the Torah and other ancient Hebrew writings. Do the Palestinians use the same language for their prayers and do they study Hebrew in their madrassas to read the ancient Jewish writings?

טמבל​

It is my understanding that Yiddish was the spoken language of European Jews. Christians usually study the Bible in their own language but scholars study original texts in Hebrew and Greek. I am unfamiliar with Jewish and Muslim schools.

Yes Yiddish was the daily language, Hebrew was and still is the Holy language.
And what alphabet was used in Yiddish?

This is the Hebrew alphabet:

This is a printed Yiddish newspaper:

And here's a handwritten fragment of the Dead Sea scrolls (Psalm 138):

and the scroll alphabet:

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Do you see much difference?

You are creating a false similarity between the Hebrew alphabet and the Hebrew language. As languages such as Swedish and Latin are distinctly different although both use the Latin alphabet, so Yiddish, which is predominantly German, is not Hebrew despite the alphabet and minor elements of Hebrew and Aramaic, as well as Slavic and Romance language borrowings.

And where do you get the evidence that Yiddish is mostly German from.

That is like saying that American is mostly Italian because so many Italian words are now common to the language

 

[Phoenall]

Arab people safeguard artifacts even though they were made by now defunct people. The Dead Sea Scrolls fall into this category. The Holy Land was a crossroads of several different cultures, mostly extinct. Civilizations came and went but the people, some of them, remained. The artifacts once associated with these people belong to all of us in one sense. The study of archaeology and ancient history sheds light on these ancient people and are a source enrichment for everyone. That the Dead Sea Scrolls can be attributed to an unorthodox Hebrew sect and possibly one that was shunned by rabbis in the Temple two millennia ago, does not give the Jews of modern Israel the right to steal all or any historical treasures from non-Jews on the grounds that they have an association with a defunct Jewish sect.

It is brazen effrontery for the modern state of Israel to claim that it speaks or acts for all Jews, including Jews who live in other countries and continents. It does not.

Ok. Wow.

#1. And I don't know how I could possibly make this more clear without yelling. Maybe I need to yell. THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE NOT DEFUNCT NOR EXTINCT NOR AN ANCIENT AND IRRELEVANT PIECE OF HISTORY. THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE A LIVING PEOPLE WITH A RICH, VIBRANT HISTORY AND A PROMISING FUTURE WITH A CLEAR CONTINUITY FROM THE MOST ANCIENT TIMES RIGHT UP TO THE PRESENT DAY. THESE DEAD SEA SCROLLS ARE THE VERY SAME DEFINING LITERATURE AND RELIGIOUS TEXTS WE USE TODAY. We clear, yet?

The sect which developed the Dead Sea Scrolls are understood by scholars to have become extinct a couple of thousand years ago. Some of the texts I understand to be from the Jewish Bible and other holy books written mostly in Hebrew and Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus as well as Greek. So, there are various influences.

#2. The Arab and Muslim people have a shitty, shitty, shitty record of safe-guarding and caretaking the historical and religious cultural heritage of other cultures. Come on! Temple Mount Sifting Project! The hell?! They are destroying irreplaceable archaeological finds in order to deny the existence of the Jewish people's history. And the Palestinians, through UNESCO, are ACTIVELY seeking to erase Jewish history and religious significance. They are re-writing the truth in order to eliminate the Jewish people's rights to our own cultural heritage. And you support this? Why? Why would you support this?

I am unfamiliar with excavations around the Al Aqsa mosque but the destruction of of all evidence of population of an ethnically cleansed people such as happened to the Jews under the Roman period is like a second cleansing and vile. I see this happening in Israel when Palestinian place names and their replacement with Hebrew and it is no less reprehensible.

#3. Israel absolutely has the right to act on behalf of the Jewish people everywhere when it comes to preserving and protecting our cultural heritage. That was the entire POINT of creating our own Nation! So that we could be protected. Wow. Are you that clueless? Is France no longer permitted to speak for the French? Is Japan no longer permitted to speak for the Japanese?

I see it quite differently; the British were offering European Jews a homeland as long as it was not in Europe. They settled on Palestine and the consequential death, bloodshed, and hateful propaganda has continued ever since. European Jews had nothing to do with the Dead Sea Scrolls. Many of the rich had already gone to America where they did rather well for themselves. Those in the east European shtetls suffered in the Final Solution. The British version of the final solution was to get the Jews out of Europe. Those Jews who went and took Arab land have no more right to speak for all Jews in the world no more than the Jews of Queens, New York can speak or all Jews.

But to ease your mind, let's ask. Let's ask some of our Jewish members here who they would prefer to have caretakership over our ancient Jewish texts? Hey, Hollie ,Roudy , rylah , irosie91 , SAYIT , MJB12741 , turzovka , (and please tag anyone I have forgotten): Who would you rather have as guardian of the oldest known extant texts of our Torah -- Israel or the Palestinian Authority? (I vote Israel, btw).

I heard that argumentum ad populum is supposed to be a logical fallacy. Thanks for the list.

Really 'Palestinian place names'? You mean like "renaming" Al-Halil into Hebron, interesting what came first?

I gather from your tone that you are not familiar with the Israeli practice, in Israel proper, of changing the Arab names of properties to Hebrew and sometimes obliterating evidence of Palestinian habitation altogether in order to ethnically cleanse stolen Arab villages and structures. This is done to legitimize the dispossession of Arabs from their homes and somehow make it look like the area was and is Jewish. It is, of course, bogus. For example, the Palestinian village of Safuriyeh in northern Israel was mostly demolished and in its place the Israelis planted pine trees and the name of the area was changed to Tzippori. The place has been ethnically cleansed. This is just one of many instances of the dispossession and displacement of Palestinians by Israelis in Israel.

And you are ignorant of the arab muslim practice of destroying everything non islamic and making it dissappear so proving that it has only ever been islamic.

As in ramallah that was originally Ram a Jewish town, or Al quds that was Jerusalem before islam was even invented.

As for safuriyeh it was originally called Sepphoris and was a Jewish town

 

[Hossfly]

Don't you realize that all along you have been mocking the Jewish people by saying ancient scrolls written mainly in Hebrew don't belong to them, but belong to a people who have had nothing in common with the Jewish religion nor the Hebrew language.. We have seen this for years on forums. The Palestinians are used as pawns by others to get in their knocks in about the Jews. They care nothing about the suffering of people in other areas of the Middle East. So tell us, Eloy, since you are so familiar with shetls, are you familiar with the poverty that existed in many countries surrounding Israel that the Arabs came into Israel in droves (as reported by Winston Churchill)?

Churchill: Jews did not uproot Arabs. To the contrary, more Arabs came to Palestine because of the Jews - Reader comments for Gatestone Institute

I wrote that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong to everyone. I never said they do not belong to the Jews but I did write that they do not belong to the Israelis who purloined them.

I don't feel like going thru the whole thread. Give me a little history here. Academically, the Dead Sea Scrolls are mostly in the Hebrew language, and contain the Hebrew Bible. But who was in possession of them first and how did Israel "purloin" them?

Does that mean that anything found in the Latin language belongs to the descendants of the Latins, the people of Latium (Lazio).

I would think that any ancient manuscript found in Latin these days should be handed over to the Vatican. The people there no doubt are very adept at reading Latin just as the people in Israel are adept at reading Hebrew.

Be in no doubt that no institution can rival the scholars of pontifical universities in the study not only of ancient Latin but also Old Testament Hebrew, Aramaic, and other Semitic languages.

You're right, Eloy. There are those who are at Catholic and Protestant seminaries who are experts in these ancient foreign languages. They would roll their eyes at your trying to insist that the Scrolls belong to the Palestinians, especially in light of their fellow Christians being murdered in the Middle East because of their religion.

Why don't you tell your new comrades-in-arms that Jesus is going to be buried next to Mohammad in Medina, and that you will be conducting the funeral ceremony?

Will Jesus be buried next to Muhammad in Medina?

 

[Hossfly]

I gather from your tone that you are not familiar with the Israeli practice, in Israel proper, of changing the Arab names of properties to Hebrew and sometimes obliterating evidence of Palestinian habitation altogether in order to ethnically cleanse stolen Arab villages and structures. This is done to legitimize the dispossession of Arabs from their homes and somehow make it look like the area was and is Jewish. It is, of course, bogus. For example, the Palestinian village of Safuriyeh in northern Israel was mostly demolished and in its place the Israelis planted pine trees and the name of the area was changed to Tzippori.

Wow. Oh wow. Where do you GET this stuff from? Can you not even bother to do a simple google search on f^%ing Wiki before you post this crap?

The (cough cough) "Palestinian" Arab village of Safuriyeh was conquered and taken by the Arab Muslim invaders in 634 CE. Who do you think inhabited it before that? And what was it called? Where the hell do you think the name "Safuriyeh" comes from? (Here's a hint: Its the freaking Arabic transliteration of the place's older name -- which was...wait for it...ta da...Tzippori.)

You are seriously sitting in front of your keyboard and arguing that Israel is to be admonished for calling Al Quds Jerusalem. As though Al Quds was the original and only name for the place. As though the Arab Muslims founded the place. As though there was NOTHING there before the Arab Muslims arrived. As though the Jewish people have somehow stolen and usurped the place from its original inhabitants.

And in the absolute height of irony, you then claim that this is done to "legitimize the dispossession of Arabs". And that it is done to "make it look like the area was ... Jewish".

The difference which you ignore is that the Palestinians who were refused permission to return to Safuriyeh are still alive as refugees while those of, say, Caesarea Philippi are long gone and turned to ashes.

After World War II, there were millions of refugees, most of which are dead today (the same as the old ones from the Palestine mandate are). Those few who are still live today along with their children and grandchildren are not telling the rest of the world that they should be able to go back and automatically be given citizenship in their old countries. Only the Palestinians, used as pawns by the other Arabs in their fight against the Jews, are doing this.

 

[Hossfly]

Do tell us, Eloy, in what language are the Jewish prayers said in and in what language do the Jewish students in Yeshivas study the Torah and other ancient Hebrew writings. Do the Palestinians use the same language for their prayers and do they study Hebrew in their madrassas to read the ancient Jewish writings?

טמבל​

It is my understanding that Yiddish was the spoken language of European Jews. Christians usually study the Bible in their own language but scholars study original texts in Hebrew and Greek. I am unfamiliar with Jewish and Muslim schools.

Yes Yiddish was the daily language, Hebrew was and still is the Holy language.
And what alphabet was used in Yiddish?

This is the Hebrew alphabet:

This is a printed Yiddish newspaper:

And here's a handwritten fragment of the Dead Sea scrolls (Psalm 138):

and the scroll alphabet:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Do you see much difference?

You are creating a false similarity between the Hebrew alphabet and the Hebrew language. As languages such as Swedish and Latin are distinctly different although both use the Latin alphabet, so Yiddish, which is predominantly German, is not Hebrew despite the alphabet and minor elements of Hebrew and Aramaic, as well as Slavic and Romance language borrowings.

Ok Eloy, when you're right then you're right. Yiddish is basically German written in Hebrew letters. But that doesn't negate the fact that the Dead Seas Scrolls are basically the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) written in the Jewish language of Hebrew, with only a smattering of Aramaic (the language of the Talmud), and a few in Greek. According to the scholarly book "Jews, God and History", it was written by a pre-Christian, now-defunct Jewish sect, known as the Essenes. Also according to that book, the reason that Christians did not claim the Dead Sea Scrolls for themselves is that the Essenes probably influenced the later religion of Christianity with its highly-Messianic sect. According to that book, The Christians felt that it was enough that their god and all of their early apostles were Jews; they did not want want their theology to be credited to the Essenes, a Jewish sect, as well. Only the Palestinians, who speak Arabic and who mostly follow the Quran and not the Tanakh, would have the unmitigated "chutzpah" to claim the Dead Sea Scrolls as "their" own heritage. They are trying to erase the Jewish connection to the Land of Israel but they will never succeed.

I believe the Essene theory has been questioned. Nevertheless, despite colonial looting of national heritage artifacts, I think it is proper that such treasures remain in the land where they were found, in this case, Palestine.

Great idea, Eloy. Start a petition that all museums and other institutions around the world which have artifacts from the Middle East should return them to the land in which they originated.

 

[Hossfly]

How can the Dead Sea Scrolls be part of the heritage of a bunch of Europeans that invaded Palestine? They are part of the heritage of the native people of Palestine that today are Christians and Muslims but many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism in the past.

Oh my. Another reiteration of your goofy slogans and cliches.

It's always a treat to read your copy and paste nonsense as you set the board straight, again, about that hallucination of a Jewish invasion that you imagine took place in the defunct Ottoman province of British Palestine. Phwew! We really needed to hear your religious hatreds spewed across the forums, again—thanks, Mahmoud!

Your latest tirade even identifies that Jews in Europe somehow had a different cultural and religious heritage than Jews elsewhere.

Do you understand anything? You have no facts on an issue, you are personally acknowledging your bias, and you are asking strangers on a public forum to help you justify your bias in your mind.

Doesn't that, at the very least, make you feel dirty?

They indeed DID have HAVE a DIFFERENT and CULTURAL and RELIGIOUS heritage THAN other JEWS....www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

You see I give you a greater insight into Jewish..History because I am more educated,keep that in mind,always Hollie and your indolent Possee......who purely live on banal inaccurate sound bites only ......steve.....

Now who would ever believe that Steve would use a site such as this????

Bible Believers - Wikipedia

Hmm. Mark Weber. Now where have we heard that name before?

Mark Weber

 

[Hossfly]

As you can see, Shusha , he is still parking himself here while hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Christians have been killed in other areas of the Middle East, and there are probably thousands and thousands who are wounded and unable to get medical care. We know that there are several million displaced people. The antiquities which have been destroyed there can never be replaced, but it is more important for him to constantly whine that the Scrolls belong to the Palestinians. Perhaps someone could arrange to have him sit down with a Palestinian and ask his new friend to read a couple of pages from the Scrolls.

As for the Muslims thoughts about Christianity.

'Break the Cross!' Muhammad Commands It

It was Shusha who made the Opening Post on this topic, not me.
He did it to mock the Palestinian people and I, for one, will not join in demeaning a people.

Don't you realize that all along you have been mocking the Jewish people by saying ancient scrolls written mainly in Hebrew don't belong to them, but belong to a people who have had nothing in common with the Jewish religion nor the Hebrew language.. We have seen this for years on forums. The Palestinians are used as pawns by others to get in their knocks in about the Jews. They care nothing about the suffering of people in other areas of the Middle East. So tell us, Eloy, since you are so familiar with shetls, are you familiar with the poverty that existed in many countries surrounding Israel that the Arabs came into Israel in droves (as reported by Winston Churchill)?

Churchill: Jews did not uproot Arabs. To the contrary, more Arabs came to Palestine because of the Jews - Reader comments for Gatestone Institute

I wrote that the Dead Sea Scrolls belong to everyone. I never said they do not belong to the Jews but I did write that they do not belong to the Israelis who purloined them.

I don't feel like going thru the whole thread. Give me a little history here. Academically, the Dead Sea Scrolls are mostly in the Hebrew language, and contain the Hebrew Bible. But who was in possession of them first and how did Israel "purloin" them?

The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered between 1946 and 1956 in eleven caves close to a an ancient Jewish settlement in Qumran in the eastern Judaean Desert which is now in the occupied West Bank. The Jewish sect at Qumran became extinct in the early Christian period.

They were housed in the Palestine Archaeological Museum in East Jerusalem when the Israelis invaded the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, in 1967. Once in Israeli possession, they were purloined by the Israeli government and are now kept by the Israeli Antiquities Authority in West Jerusalem.

Can you look into this further for us, Eloy, and then get back to us?


The story of how those scrolls traveled from the hands of young Bedouin goat herders to be under the scrutinous eyes of international scholars is stranger than fiction. Although all the details of the next few years will probably never be known for sure, this much is clear. After hanging from a pole in a Bedouin tent for a period of time, the seven original scrolls were sold to two separate Arab antiquities dealers in Bethlehem. From there, four were sold (for a small amount) to Athanasius Samuel, Syrian Orthodox Metropolitan at St. Mark's Monastery in the Old City of Jerusalem. Scholars at the American School of Oriental Research, who examined them, were the first to realize their antiquity. John Trever photographed them in detail, and the great archaeologist William F. Albright soon announced that the scrolls were from the period between 200 BC and AD 200. The initial announcements were then made that the oldest manuscripts ever discovered had been found in the Judean desert! Clay jar of the type the Dead Sea Scrolls were found in. From Qumran, now in the Citadel Museum, Jordan. Three of the other original scrolls found by the Bedouin boys were sold to E. L. Sukenik, archaeologist at Hebrew University and father of Yigal Yadin (a general in the Israeli army who later became a famous archaeologist and excavator of Masada and Hazor). It should be noted that the drama of these events was heightened because these were the last days of the British Mandate period in Palestine, and tensions between the Arab and Jewish population were great. This made examination of the scrolls by scholars extremely dangerous. All of the scrolls finally came together at Hebrew University under another strange set of circumstances. After touring the U.S. with his four scrolls and not being able to find an interested buyer, Metropolitan Samuel placed an ad in the Wall Street Journal. By coincidence (or divine providence?) Yigal Yadin happened to be lecturing in New York and saw the advertisement. Through intermediaries, he was able to purchase these priceless scrolls for around $250,000. In February of 1955, the Prime Minister of Israel announced that the State of Israel had purchased the scrolls, and all seven (including the three purchased earlier by Professor Sukenik) were to be housed in a special museum at Hebrew University named the Shrine of the Book, where they can be seen today.

 

[Hollie]

How can the Dead Sea Scrolls be part of the heritage of a bunch of Europeans that invaded Palestine? They are part of the heritage of the native people of Palestine that today are Christians and Muslims but many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism in the past.

Oh my. Another reiteration of your goofy slogans and cliches.

It's always a treat to read your copy and paste nonsense as you set the board straight, again, about that hallucination of a Jewish invasion that you imagine took place in the defunct Ottoman province of British Palestine. Phwew! We really needed to hear your religious hatreds spewed across the forums, again—thanks, Mahmoud!

Your latest tirade even identifies that Jews in Europe somehow had a different cultural and religious heritage than Jews elsewhere.

Do you understand anything? You have no facts on an issue, you are personally acknowledging your bias, and you are asking strangers on a public forum to help you justify your bias in your mind.

Doesn't that, at the very least, make you feel dirty?

They indeed DID have HAVE a DIFFERENT and CULTURAL and RELIGIOUS heritage THAN other JEWS....www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

You see I give you a greater insight into Jewish..History because I am more educated,keep that in mind,always Hollie and your indolent Possee......who purely live on banal inaccurate sound bites only ......steve.....

Now who would ever believe that Steve would use a site such as this????

Bible Believers - Wikipedia

Hmm. Mark Weber. Now where have we heard that name before?

Mark Weber

Oh, you mean that Mark Weber. The whackadoodle Jew hating, Holocaust denying "activist".

Lovely.

 

[theliq]

I read an article only a few days ago about a modern Hebrew speaker wondering whether or not he could read the text of the Dead Sea Scrolls. So he tried.

And, yes, of course he could.

Of Course,Jews are so Brilliant at everything..............Unfortunately NOT TRUE.....by the way the Jews of America have just been demoted into 2nd Place as the Ethnic Group who have the highest per-capita income in the USA,this title now goes to the Native Americans,makes you wonder.

Not too smart are you, Steve, even with all your bragging. Americans whose ancestry is in India are not the same as Native Americans *or American Indians." The Native Americans are not at the top of high earners.
The reason given for Indians being the top earners is because so many of them come over here with college degrees. Maybe some day many Native Americans will have degrees too.

Not so quick Hoss.......Native AMERICANS friend check your facts

 

[theliq]

Oh wow. You must have been getting bored. After all, its been hours since you threw an anti-semitic canard at us. So let's throw out the -- Jews are so brilliant -- one. Yay you! Feel better now, do you?

Um. No. Silly. He could read it because its the same language.

I know Shusha,I was just teasing you.....Ducks an all.Quack,Quack.steve

And admitting that you had lied in the past and that you are a rabid Jew hater really

You are getting MORE DESPERATE BY THE HOUR......LYING YOUR ZIONIST ARSE OFF >>>>>SAD BUT TRUE

 

[theliq]

How can the Dead Sea Scrolls be part of the heritage of a bunch of Europeans that invaded Palestine? They are part of the heritage of the native people of Palestine that today are Christians and Muslims but many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism in the past.

What do the Palestinians want the scrolls for? The written material s not about them or the Christians. My guess is they only want them so they can sell them and make a buck.Well, they ain't getting their sticky little fingers on the scrolls.

Calling the Kettle Black methinks here Hoss.....your posts are decending into a vortex of Prue Insanity of late......I understand you tend to believe(SADLY) what the Synthetic Zionists are spewing......Time to take up the Bottle again Hoss...LOL,steve(Love you man,still)

Oh,Steve, if you only could realize how ridiculous you are with your "fake Jews" and "Synthetic Zionists" mantras. It certainly sounds like you have been going off your meds on a regular basis. One thing I believe is quite obvious to the readers is that you and the other anti-Semites are like two peas in a pod. You can deny it all your want, but the average reader is smart enough to see right through you.

Jews are Great,Zionists those Plastic Jews from God knows where are Crap....End Of

 

[theliq]

How can the Dead Sea Scrolls be part of the heritage of a bunch of Europeans that invaded Palestine? They are part of the heritage of the native people of Palestine that today are Christians and Muslims but many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism in the past.

Oh my. Another reiteration of your goofy slogans and cliches.

It's always a treat to read your copy and paste nonsense as you set the board straight, again, about that hallucination of a Jewish invasion that you imagine took place in the defunct Ottoman province of British Palestine. Phwew! We really needed to hear your religious hatreds spewed across the forums, again—thanks, Mahmoud!

Your latest tirade even identifies that Jews in Europe somehow had a different cultural and religious heritage than Jews elsewhere.

Do you understand anything? You have no facts on an issue, you are personally acknowledging your bias, and you are asking strangers on a public forum to help you justify your bias in your mind.

Doesn't that, at the very least, make you feel dirty?

They indeed DID have HAVE a DIFFERENT and CULTURAL and RELIGIOUS heritage THAN other JEWS....www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

You see I give you a greater insight into Jewish..History because I am more educated,keep that in mind,always Hollie and your indolent Possee......who purely live on banal inaccurate sound bites only ......steve.....

Now who would ever believe that Steve would use a site such as this????

Bible Believers - Wikipedia

Hmm. Mark Weber. Now where have we heard that name before?

Mark Weber

I AM NOT A ZIONIST............ZIONISTS HAVE A VERY MYOPIC VIEW OF THE WORLD=WE ARE THE CHOSEN FEW<THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN GO TO HELL ........yep heard it all before

 

[Hossfly]

I read an article only a few days ago about a modern Hebrew speaker wondering whether or not he could read the text of the Dead Sea Scrolls. So he tried.

And, yes, of course he could.

Of Course,Jews are so Brilliant at everything..............Unfortunately NOT TRUE.....by the way the Jews of America have just been demoted into 2nd Place as the Ethnic Group who have the highest per-capita income in the USA,this title now goes to the Native Americans,makes you wonder.

Not too smart are you, Steve, even with all your bragging. Americans whose ancestry is in India are not the same as Native Americans *or American Indians." The Native Americans are not at the top of high earners.
The reason given for Indians being the top earners is because so many of them come over here with college degrees. Maybe some day many Native Americans will have degrees too.

Not so quick Hoss.......Native AMERICANS friend check your facts

Don't argue with the Hossfly.

Pew Research found the following:
Asian-Americans Lead All Others in Household Income

This is primarily a result of immigration policy that allows only technology workers from India, skewing salary and wealth levels.

 

[Hossfly]

How can the Dead Sea Scrolls be part of the heritage of a bunch of Europeans that invaded Palestine? They are part of the heritage of the native people of Palestine that today are Christians and Muslims but many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism in the past.

What do the Palestinians want the scrolls for? The written material s not about them or the Christians. My guess is they only want them so they can sell them and make a buck.Well, they ain't getting their sticky little fingers on the scrolls.

Calling the Kettle Black methinks here Hoss.....your posts are decending into a vortex of Prue Insanity of late......I understand you tend to believe(SADLY) what the Synthetic Zionists are spewing......Time to take up the Bottle again Hoss...LOL,steve(Love you man,still)

Oh,Steve, if you only could realize how ridiculous you are with your "fake Jews" and "Synthetic Zionists" mantras. It certainly sounds like you have been going off your meds on a regular basis. One thing I believe is quite obvious to the readers is that you and the other anti-Semites are like two peas in a pod. You can deny it all your want, but the average reader is smart enough to see right through you.

Jews are Great,Zionists those Plastic Jews from God knows where are Crap....End Of

Here we go again -- "fake plastic Jews." Would you please grow a bushy beard and you can go with those you consider the "real Jews" when they visit their good friends in Iran, the Ayatollahs. Just be sure you don't slip up and ask for bacon and eggs in the hotel there.

 

[Hossfly]

How can the Dead Sea Scrolls be part of the heritage of a bunch of Europeans that invaded Palestine? They are part of the heritage of the native people of Palestine that today are Christians and Muslims but many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism in the past.

Oh my. Another reiteration of your goofy slogans and cliches.

It's always a treat to read your copy and paste nonsense as you set the board straight, again, about that hallucination of a Jewish invasion that you imagine took place in the defunct Ottoman province of British Palestine. Phwew! We really needed to hear your religious hatreds spewed across the forums, again—thanks, Mahmoud!

Your latest tirade even identifies that Jews in Europe somehow had a different cultural and religious heritage than Jews elsewhere.

Do you understand anything? You have no facts on an issue, you are personally acknowledging your bias, and you are asking strangers on a public forum to help you justify your bias in your mind.

Doesn't that, at the very least, make you feel dirty?

They indeed DID have HAVE a DIFFERENT and CULTURAL and RELIGIOUS heritage THAN other JEWS....www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

You see I give you a greater insight into Jewish..History because I am more educated,keep that in mind,always Hollie and your indolent Possee......who purely live on banal inaccurate sound bites only ......steve.....

Now who would ever believe that Steve would use a site such as this????

Bible Believers - Wikipedia

Hmm. Mark Weber. Now where have we heard that name before?

Mark Weber

I AM NOT A ZIONIST............ZIONISTS HAVE A VERY MYOPIC VIEW OF THE WORLD=WE ARE THE CHOSEN FEW<THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN GO TO HELL ........yep heard it all before

Instead of your bringing up this"chosen" stuff from the hate sites, why not do some research to see what it is meant to be chosen for. If you had to follow the 613 commandments that the Orthodox Jews do, you would have no time for your drinking. While you are busy doing that, no doubt you will have a little time to also ask the Imam at your local mosque if the Muslims are to take over the world for Islam. My, are you going to make a cute dhimmi.

 

[Eloy]

The difference which you ignore is that the Palestinians who were refused permission to return to Safuriyeh are still alive as refugees while those of, say, Caesarea Philippi are long gone and turned to ashes.

But that is a different issue. Your original comment was concerning how inappropriate it was for Israel to remove the Arab place names and give them Hebrew ones. I was simply pointing out that it was the Arabs who replaced the names and Israel is just restoring them.

You and I both know what the Israelis are up to in their sectarian state.

 

[Eloy]

I gather from your tone that you are not familiar with the Israeli practice, in Israel proper, of changing the Arab names of properties to Hebrew and sometimes obliterating evidence of Palestinian habitation altogether in order to ethnically cleanse stolen Arab villages and structures. This is done to legitimize the dispossession of Arabs from their homes and somehow make it look like the area was and is Jewish. It is, of course, bogus. For example, the Palestinian village of Safuriyeh in northern Israel was mostly demolished and in its place the Israelis planted pine trees and the name of the area was changed to Tzippori.

Wow. Oh wow. Where do you GET this stuff from? Can you not even bother to do a simple google search on f^%ing Wiki before you post this crap?

The (cough cough) "Palestinian" Arab village of Safuriyeh was conquered and taken by the Arab Muslim invaders in 634 CE. Who do you think inhabited it before that? And what was it called? Where the hell do you think the name "Safuriyeh" comes from? (Here's a hint: Its the freaking Arabic transliteration of the place's older name -- which was...wait for it...ta da...Tzippori.)

You are seriously sitting in front of your keyboard and arguing that Israel is to be admonished for calling Al Quds Jerusalem. As though Al Quds was the original and only name for the place. As though the Arab Muslims founded the place. As though there was NOTHING there before the Arab Muslims arrived. As though the Jewish people have somehow stolen and usurped the place from its original inhabitants.

And in the absolute height of irony, you then claim that this is done to "legitimize the dispossession of Arabs". And that it is done to "make it look like the area was ... Jewish".

The difference which you ignore is that the Palestinians who were refused permission to return to Safuriyeh are still alive as refugees while those of, say, Caesarea Philippi are long gone and turned to ashes.

After World War II, there were millions of refugees, most of which are dead today (the same as the old ones from the Palestine mandate are). Those few who are still live today along with their children and grandchildren are not telling the rest of the world that they should be able to go back and automatically be given citizenship in their old countries. Only the Palestinians, used as pawns by the other Arabs in their fight against the Jews, are doing this.

For all the authority with which you write, Hossfly, I rather doubt you ever even met a Muslim.

 

[theliq]

How can the Dead Sea Scrolls be part of the heritage of a bunch of Europeans that invaded Palestine? They are part of the heritage of the native people of Palestine that today are Christians and Muslims but many of whose ancestors practiced Judaism in the past.

Oh my. Another reiteration of your goofy slogans and cliches.

It's always a treat to read your copy and paste nonsense as you set the board straight, again, about that hallucination of a Jewish invasion that you imagine took place in the defunct Ottoman province of British Palestine. Phwew! We really needed to hear your religious hatreds spewed across the forums, again—thanks, Mahmoud!

Your latest tirade even identifies that Jews in Europe somehow had a different cultural and religious heritage than Jews elsewhere.

Do you understand anything? You have no facts on an issue, you are personally acknowledging your bias, and you are asking strangers on a public forum to help you justify your bias in your mind.

Doesn't that, at the very least, make you feel dirty?

They indeed DID have HAVE a DIFFERENT and CULTURAL and RELIGIOUS heritage THAN other JEWS....www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm

You see I give you a greater insight into Jewish..History because I am more educated,keep that in mind,always Hollie and your indolent Possee......who purely live on banal inaccurate sound bites only ......steve.....

Now who would ever believe that Steve would use a site such as this????

Bible Believers - Wikipedia

Hmm. Mark Weber. Now where have we heard that name before?

Mark Weber

I AM NOT A ZIONIST............ZIONISTS HAVE A VERY MYOPIC VIEW OF THE WORLD=WE ARE THE CHOSEN FEW<THE REST OF THE WORLD CAN GO TO HELL ........yep heard it all before

Instead of your bringing up this"chosen" stuff from the hate sites, why not do some research to see what it is meant to be chosen for. If you had to follow the 613 commandments that the Orthodox Jews do, you would have no time for your drinking. While you are busy doing that, no doubt you will have a little time to also ask the Imam at your local mosque if the Muslims are to take over the world for Islam. My, are you going to make a cute dhimmi.

Look Hoss>>>>>READ MY LIPS>>>>>>I DO NOT DO HATE SITES>>>>>>I DO NOT DO ZIONIST HATE SITES>>>>>>>I DO NOT HATE>>>>READ MY LIPS>>>>>>>>NO DRINKING HERE>>>>>>I NOTE YOUR ATTITUDE SINCE THE ELECTION,AND I KNOW THERE WILL BE NO MORE HILLARY TO GLOAT OVER,IT WAS JUST SEX WITH YOU(WITH HER)>>>>>>TAKE AN ICE SHOWER>>>>>>>YOU'LL GET OVER HER.....Your friend steve