'Palestinian'

[rylah]

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism,

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism,

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

What is your point?

 

[rylah]

Tribalism is still alive and kicking in the Palestinian society, or the Arab society in general.

The resurgence of Palestinian tribalism

Summary-The Palestinian local elections held May 13 showed that Palestinians voted for tribal and independent lists instead of political lists, giving serious cause for concern.

Yousef Tamiza, a campaign manager for the tribal National Alliance list in the town of Idna in Hebron, in the south of the West Bank, told Al-Monitor that the National Alliance list won 10 out of 13 seats, and included an alliance of seven families in the city of Hebron, namely the Tamiza, Islimiya, Abu Jahisha, Khalawah, Abu Zeltah, Awad and Abu Asaad families. Independent lists won the other three seats.



Read more: The resurgence of Palestinian tribalism

When the will of the people is thwarted time after time by a corrupt, collaborationist regime, and the only real opposition to it boycotts the "democratic" process that just confirms the status quo whoever wins, is it any surprise that people turn to those they trust most; their extended family. Tribalism isn't only resurging in Palestine, only it's called something else when talking about so called more advanced societies; there it's called Nationalism

Tribes by their nature need a higher authority/structure to fuse them into a nation. This was the goal of Islam - to unite the many tribes of Arabia.
If Arab nationalism is not Islam, then tell me who is the ruling tribe or clan, who is the higher authority for the Palestinian Arabs?

How does this relate in any way to what I posted?

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism, what unites them into a nation,
Arabic culture, Islam, a dominating tribe?

They were all citizen of Palestine.

An identity forced on them by the powers they are still fighting today.
Britain decided to give them this identity, it didn't come from them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

When the will of the people is thwarted time after time by a corrupt, collaborationist regime, and the only real opposition to it boycotts the "democratic" process that just confirms the status quo whoever wins, is it any surprise that people turn to those they trust most; their extended family. Tribalism isn't only resurging in Palestine, only it's called something else when talking about so called more advanced societies; there it's called Nationalism

Tribes by their nature need a higher authority/structure to fuse them into a nation. This was the goal of Islam - to unite the many tribes of Arabia.
If Arab nationalism is not Islam, then tell me who is the ruling tribe or clan, who is the higher authority for the Palestinian Arabs?

How does this relate in any way to what I posted?

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism, what unites them into a nation,
Arabic culture, Islam, a dominating tribe?

They were all citizen of Palestine.

An identity forced on them by the powers they are still fighting today.
Britain decided to give them this identity, it didn't come from them.

The same for Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Jordan.

So? I never hear you question their identity.

 

[rylah]

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism,

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

What is your point?

My point is simple - show me the distinct Palestinian culture.
Should be simple for the indigenous people who "have been there since before the Hebrews came".

 

[Challenger]

The declaration clearly shows that the Arabs initially identified as Syrians, and declared the land a part of Syria.

Only when taken out of context. Read the whole article you cited.

But show me this Palestinian nationalism they 'abandoned'.

Read Rashid Khalidi's "Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness" or Haim Gerber's "Palestine and other territorial concepts in the 17th century".

The declaration clearly shows that the Arabs initially identified as Syrians, and declared the land a part of Syria.

Only when taken out of context. Read the whole article you cited.

But show me this Palestinian nationalism they 'abandoned'.

Read Rashid Khalidi's "Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness" or Haim Gerber's "Palestine and other territorial concepts in the 17th century".

Why is it so hard to show evidence of Palestinian nationalism prior to their self identification as Syrians?

It's not, you just have to read the books I mentioned, and they didn't; as I said, "Only when taken out of context. Read the whole article you cited."

 

[Challenger]

No amount of Zionist revisionism will erase the connection between Jews and Israel.

Zionist revisionism of history created a connection between Jewish Europeans and Palestine.

No.
You're just deflecting from discussing Palestinian identity.

I was just responding to your deflection.

 

[Challenger]

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism,

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

They did not self identify as Arab Syrians, read your own article.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism,

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

They did not self identify as Arab Syrians, read your own article.

Sure they did.

 

[Challenger]

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism,

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

What is your point?

My point is simple - show me the distinct Palestinian culture.
Should be simple for the indigenous people who "have been there since before the Hebrews came".

Palestinian society was destroyed by the Zionist creation of their "state", most Palestinian archives and records were either destroyed or are suppressed by the Zionist regime, all that's left are memories, (oral history), photographs and some newsreels which have been posted elsewhere. Archaeology in Zionist Israel has also been politicised to the extent that artifacts not relating to Judaism have been destroyed, dismissed or suppressed, so it's not that simple.

 

[rylah]

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism,

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

They did not self identify as Arab Syrians, read your own article.

1 . We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographic bonds.

2. The Declaration made by M. Pichon, Minister for Foreig Affairs for France, that France had rights in our country based on the desires and aspirations of the inhabitants has no foundation and we reject all the declarations made in his speech of 29th December 1918, as our wishes and aspirations are only in Arab unity and complete independence.

3. In view of the above we desire that one district Southern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian Government and to be free from all foreign influence and protection.

4. In accordance with the rule laid down by President Wilson and approved by most of the Great Powers we consider that every promise or treaty concluded in respect of our country and its future as null and void and reject the same.

5. The Government of the country will apply for help to its friend Great Britain in case of need for the improvement and development of the country provided that this will not affect its independence and Arab unity in any way and will keep good relations with the Allied Powers. 78

The Palestine Conference also decided to send a delegation to Damascus 'to inform Arab patriots there of the decision to call Palestine Southern Syria and unite it with Northern Syria '.79

Another delegation of three was named 'as possible representatives to go to Paris'. 80

The decisions of the Conference were presented in writing to the British, French, Italian and Spanish representatives in Jerusalem. It was apparent that the young elements, with the help of Palestinian pressure from outside, prevailed on the Conference. Before adjourning, the Conference agreed to meet again at Nablus three months hence, but failed to elect an executive Committee to the Conference.

First Palestinian Arab Congress

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Stop lying

 

[rylah]

The declaration clearly shows that the Arabs initially identified as Syrians, and declared the land a part of Syria.

Only when taken out of context. Read the whole article you cited.

But show me this Palestinian nationalism they 'abandoned'.

Read Rashid Khalidi's "Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness" or Haim Gerber's "Palestine and other territorial concepts in the 17th century".

The declaration clearly shows that the Arabs initially identified as Syrians, and declared the land a part of Syria.

Only when taken out of context. Read the whole article you cited.

But show me this Palestinian nationalism they 'abandoned'.

Read Rashid Khalidi's "Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness" or Haim Gerber's "Palestine and other territorial concepts in the 17th century".

Why is it so hard to show evidence of Palestinian nationalism prior to their self identification as Syrians?

It's not, you just have to read the books I mentioned, and they didn't; as I said, "Only when taken out of context. Read the whole article you cited."

In other words You have nothing.

 

[rylah]

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism,

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

What is your point?

My point is simple - show me the distinct Palestinian culture.
Should be simple for the indigenous people who "have been there since before the Hebrews came".

Palestinian society was destroyed by the Zionist creation of their "state", most Palestinian archives and records were either destroyed or are suppressed by the Zionist regime, all that's left are memories, (oral history), photographs and some newsreels which have been posted elsewhere. Archaeology in Zionist Israel has also been politicised to the extent that artifacts not relating to Judaism have been destroyed, dismissed or suppressed, so it's not that simple.

Still nothing.... just the usual "it's all Israel's fault"

I think it's becoming clearer where the root of this 'Palestinian' culture and identity sprouts from

 

[P F Tinmore]

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism,

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

What is your point?

My point is simple - show me the distinct Palestinian culture.
Should be simple for the indigenous people who "have been there since before the Hebrews came".

So? What difference does it make?

 

[Challenger]

In other words You have nothing.

Still nothing.... just the usual "it's all Israel's fault"

On the contrary. If you Google "Palestinian Culture" you'll get around 28.3 million results. I have neither the time nor the inclination to fuel your stawmen assertions as you've clearly not read your own article, nor I suspect, will you read the two works I mentioned.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism,

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

What is your point?

My point is simple - show me the distinct Palestinian culture.
Should be simple for the indigenous people who "have been there since before the Hebrews came".

Palestinian society was destroyed by the Zionist creation of their "state", most Palestinian archives and records were either destroyed or are suppressed by the Zionist regime, all that's left are memories, (oral history), photographs and some newsreels which have been posted elsewhere. Archaeology in Zionist Israel has also been politicised to the extent that artifacts not relating to Judaism have been destroyed, dismissed or suppressed, so it's not that simple.

On the contrary, the Muslim Wakf on the Temple Mount have done all they could to dispose of important archaeological artifacts in that area.

 

[Hollie]

In other words You have nothing.

Still nothing.... just the usual "it's all Israel's fault"

On the contrary. If you Google "Palestinian Culture" you'll get around 28.3 million results. I have neither the time nor the inclination to fuel your stawmen assertions as you've clearly not read your own article, nor I suspect, will you read the two works I mentioned.

On the contrary, you can Google "space aliens" and get millions of hits. So what?

You can find outlandish claims for all sorts of nonsense.

Just ask the space alien guy:

space aliens guy with big hair - Google Search

 

[rylah]

If Arab tribalism is Palestinian nationalism,

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

What is your point?

My point is simple - show me the distinct Palestinian culture.
Should be simple for the indigenous people who "have been there since before the Hebrews came".

So? What difference does it make?

It shows that 'Palestinian nationalism' is a recent new name for Arab Muslim colonialism.

 

[rylah]

In other words You have nothing.

Still nothing.... just the usual "it's all Israel's fault"

On the contrary. If you Google "Palestinian Culture" you'll get around 28.3 million results. I have neither the time nor the inclination to fuel your stawmen assertions as you've clearly not read your own article, nor I suspect, will you read the two works I mentioned.

You joined a conversation about 'Palestinian' with Your usual deflections about Jews.....why Jews have to reappear each time we talk about Palestinians and their identity?

But then, when we asked You about Palestinians and their distinct culture...all of a sudden You have no time

 

[P F Tinmore]

I never said that.

Ok, then show me Palestinian nationalism (or any distinct culture) prior to their self identification as Arab Syrians.

What is your point?

My point is simple - show me the distinct Palestinian culture.
Should be simple for the indigenous people who "have been there since before the Hebrews came".

So? What difference does it make?

It shows that 'Palestinian nationalism' is a recent new name for Arab Muslim colonialism.

So? What difference does it make?