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Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.

RoccoR

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Does the Vote in the UN actually change the location of the Capitol?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Old News • I'm not sure why P F Tinmore posted this old Al-Jazeera News Article.


A rebuke for Washington from both Allies and Adversaries alike.
(COMMENT)

No matter how the UN votes on the issue, the vote cannot change the actual ground truth.

The fact of the matter is,

  • The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is in Jerusalem
  • The Knesset is in Jerusalem
  • The Prime Minister's Office is in Jerusalem
  • The President's Office is in Jerusalem
If Jerusalem is where the official Embassy business is performed, well that is where the capital is. It is as simple as that. You don't need a Super Computer to figure that out.

A paper vote in the UN does not change the actual reality.

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Most Respectfully,

R
 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You make these claims and do not provide even the hint of the original source.


P F Tinmore said:
Resolution 194 was based on applicable international law.

(REQUEST)

Either state the original authoritative source having the force or law, or admit you don't know of any such source or when the original source went into force.



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R
Posted so many that people accuse me of spamming.
For those who are not familiar with Tinmore bullshit tactics, here is w prime example:

Rocco simply asked Tinmore to provide a link to back up his post. Tinmore, with his back to the wall, claims that he has already done so many times.

Another one of Tinmore’s tactics in a situation like this would have him providing a link that is completely irrelevant to the claim he had made . Ohh, the desperation of Pro Pally’s !!!! :lol:
 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Right of Return
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This shot video is just a claim. I have a Right to have a Million Dollars (Right of Wealth). But by the same token, No one is obligated to give me a Million Dollars.


(COMMENT)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) of DEC 1948, is NOT law. It was never brought into force. But even if it was International Law, or the backbone to Customary Law, it still come after the outbreak of hostilities in MAY 1948. It is International Law that a law cannot be retroactively applied.

There are 9 CORE International Human Rights instruments, but the oldest of these was adopted in 1965. Nor is the UDHR considered a Universal Human Rights Instrument as listed by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. You should take notice that in both cases - the UDHR is NOT listed in the core. It is a non-binding reference document.

The actual binding requirement that is referred to as the Right of Return (RoR) is found in Article 12,
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), having an entry into force date of 23 MAR 1976. And Article 12 of the CCPR varies from Article 13 of the UDHR.

Further, in 1948, the Israelis may have displaced Arabs, but they did not move the Arab to another country. They were moved into the partition earmarked as the Arab State in the UNSCOP Recommendation adopted by the General Assembly in NOV 1947. And as for Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV), the application used in the little video was from paragraph 1:


Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of any other country? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory? (RHETORICAL) NO!

Why don't you use your own words?

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Most Respectfully,

R
 
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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Right of Return
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This shot video is just a claim. I have a Right to have a Million Dollars (Right of Wealth). But by the same token, No one is obligated to give me a Million Dollars.


(COMMENT)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) of DEC 1948, is NOT law. It was never brought into force. But even if it was International Law, or the backbone to Customary Law, it still come after the outbreak of hostilities in MAY 1948. It is International Law that a law cannot be retroactively applied.

There are 9 CORE International Human Rights instruments, but the oldest of these was adopted in 1965. Nor is the UDHR considered a Universal Human Rights Instrument as listed by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. You should take notice that in both cases - the UDHR is NOT listed in the core. It is a non-binding reference document.

The actual binding requirement that is referred to as the Right of Return (RoR) is found in Article 12,
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), having an entry into force date of 23 MAR 1976. And Article 12 of the CCPR varies from Article 13 of the UDHR.

Further, in 1948, the Israelis may have displaced Arabs, but they did not move the Arab to another country. They were moved into the partition earmarked as the Arab State in the UNSCOP Recommendation adopted by the General Assembly in NOV 1947. And as for Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV), the application used in the little video was from paragraph 1:


Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of any other country? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory? (RHETORICAL) NO!

Why don't you use your own words?

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Most Respectfully,

R
The Palestinians do not ask anyone to "give" them anything.
 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Right of Return
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This shot video is just a claim. I have a Right to have a Million Dollars (Right of Wealth). But by the same token, No one is obligated to give me a Million Dollars.


(COMMENT)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) of DEC 1948, is NOT law. It was never brought into force. But even if it was International Law, or the backbone to Customary Law, it still come after the outbreak of hostilities in MAY 1948. It is International Law that a law cannot be retroactively applied.

There are 9 CORE International Human Rights instruments, but the oldest of these was adopted in 1965. Nor is the UDHR considered a Universal Human Rights Instrument as listed by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. You should take notice that in both cases - the UDHR is NOT listed in the core. It is a non-binding reference document.

The actual binding requirement that is referred to as the Right of Return (RoR) is found in Article 12,
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), having an entry into force date of 23 MAR 1976. And Article 12 of the CCPR varies from Article 13 of the UDHR.

Further, in 1948, the Israelis may have displaced Arabs, but they did not move the Arab to another country. They were moved into the partition earmarked as the Arab State in the UNSCOP Recommendation adopted by the General Assembly in NOV 1947. And as for Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV), the application used in the little video was from paragraph 1:


Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of any other country? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory? (RHETORICAL) NO!

Why don't you use your own words?

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Most Respectfully,

R
The Palestinians do not ask anyone to "give" them anything.
How much welfare money has the international community given to Fatah and Hamas?
 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Right of Return
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This shot video is just a claim. I have a Right to have a Million Dollars (Right of Wealth). But by the same token, No one is obligated to give me a Million Dollars.


(COMMENT)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) of DEC 1948, is NOT law. It was never brought into force. But even if it was International Law, or the backbone to Customary Law, it still come after the outbreak of hostilities in MAY 1948. It is International Law that a law cannot be retroactively applied.

There are 9 CORE International Human Rights instruments, but the oldest of these was adopted in 1965. Nor is the UDHR considered a Universal Human Rights Instrument as listed by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. You should take notice that in both cases - the UDHR is NOT listed in the core. It is a non-binding reference document.

The actual binding requirement that is referred to as the Right of Return (RoR) is found in Article 12,
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), having an entry into force date of 23 MAR 1976. And Article 12 of the CCPR varies from Article 13 of the UDHR.

Further, in 1948, the Israelis may have displaced Arabs, but they did not move the Arab to another country. They were moved into the partition earmarked as the Arab State in the UNSCOP Recommendation adopted by the General Assembly in NOV 1947. And as for Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV), the application used in the little video was from paragraph 1:


Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of any other country? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory? (RHETORICAL) NO!

Why don't you use your own words?

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Most Respectfully,

R
The Palestinians do not ask anyone to "give" them anything.


Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas met with King Abdullah in the Red Sea city of Jeddah in Saudi Arabia Friday, and asked the leader for urgent financial assistance.
 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Right of Return
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This shot video is just a claim. I have a Right to have a Million Dollars (Right of Wealth). But by the same token, No one is obligated to give me a Million Dollars.


(COMMENT)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) of DEC 1948, is NOT law. It was never brought into force. But even if it was International Law, or the backbone to Customary Law, it still come after the outbreak of hostilities in MAY 1948. It is International Law that a law cannot be retroactively applied.

There are 9 CORE International Human Rights instruments, but the oldest of these was adopted in 1965. Nor is the UDHR considered a Universal Human Rights Instrument as listed by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. You should take notice that in both cases - the UDHR is NOT listed in the core. It is a non-binding reference document.

The actual binding requirement that is referred to as the Right of Return (RoR) is found in Article 12,
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), having an entry into force date of 23 MAR 1976. And Article 12 of the CCPR varies from Article 13 of the UDHR.

Further, in 1948, the Israelis may have displaced Arabs, but they did not move the Arab to another country. They were moved into the partition earmarked as the Arab State in the UNSCOP Recommendation adopted by the General Assembly in NOV 1947. And as for Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV), the application used in the little video was from paragraph 1:


Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of any other country? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory? (RHETORICAL) NO!

Why don't you use your own words?

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Most Respectfully,

R
The Palestinians do not ask anyone to "give" them anything.


Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas met with King Abdullah in the Red Sea city of Jeddah in Saudi Arabia Friday, and asked the leader for urgent financial assistance.

I will preemptively respond for P F Tinmore.

1. Nice duck
2. Israeli propaganda bullshit
3. The new states
4. Link?
5. That didn't address my post
 
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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Right of Return
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This shot video is just a claim. I have a Right to have a Million Dollars (Right of Wealth). But by the same token, No one is obligated to give me a Million Dollars.


(COMMENT)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) of DEC 1948, is NOT law. It was never brought into force. But even if it was International Law, or the backbone to Customary Law, it still come after the outbreak of hostilities in MAY 1948. It is International Law that a law cannot be retroactively applied.

There are 9 CORE International Human Rights instruments, but the oldest of these was adopted in 1965. Nor is the UDHR considered a Universal Human Rights Instrument as listed by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. You should take notice that in both cases - the UDHR is NOT listed in the core. It is a non-binding reference document.

The actual binding requirement that is referred to as the Right of Return (RoR) is found in Article 12,
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), having an entry into force date of 23 MAR 1976. And Article 12 of the CCPR varies from Article 13 of the UDHR.

Further, in 1948, the Israelis may have displaced Arabs, but they did not move the Arab to another country. They were moved into the partition earmarked as the Arab State in the UNSCOP Recommendation adopted by the General Assembly in NOV 1947. And as for Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV), the application used in the little video was from paragraph 1:


Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of any other country? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory? (RHETORICAL) NO!

Why don't you use your own words?

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Most Respectfully,

R
The Palestinians do not ask anyone to "give" them anything.
How much welfare money has the international community given to Fatah and Hamas?
Not needed without Israel.
 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Stature of a Government, its People and its Nation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: A century ago, the Council of the League of Nations maintained that when a government reached the "stage of development where their existence as independent able to stand alone" that would have signaled the birth of a nation. Since 1988, when the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) declared independence, the Palestinians have not been able to establish that government stature.

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Right of Return
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This shot video is just a claim. I have a Right to have a Million Dollars (Right of Wealth). But by the same token, No one is obligated to give me a Million Dollars.


(COMMENT)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) of DEC 1948, is NOT law. It was never brought into force. But even if it was International Law, or the backbone to Customary Law, it still come after the outbreak of hostilities in MAY 1948. It is International Law that a law cannot be retroactively applied.

There are 9 CORE International Human Rights instruments, but the oldest of these was adopted in 1965. Nor is the UDHR considered a Universal Human Rights Instrument as listed by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. You should take notice that in both cases - the UDHR is NOT listed in the core. It is a non-binding reference document.

The actual binding requirement that is referred to as the Right of Return (RoR) is found in Article 12,
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), having an entry into force date of 23 MAR 1976. And Article 12 of the CCPR varies from Article 13 of the UDHR.

Further, in 1948, the Israelis may have displaced Arabs, but they did not move the Arab to another country. They were moved into the partition earmarked as the Arab State in the UNSCOP Recommendation adopted by the General Assembly in NOV 1947. And as for Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV), the application used in the little video was from paragraph 1:


Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of any other country? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory? (RHETORICAL) NO!

Why don't you use your own words?

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Most Respectfully,

R
The Palestinians do not ask anyone to "give" them anything.
How much welfare money has the international community given to Fatah and Hamas?
Not needed without Israel.
(COMMENT)

For the last decade, Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has been (literally) panhandling for donations to make payroll. A government that is dependent on donor nation for subsistence is not a government at all.

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R
 
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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: The Stature of a Government, its People and its Nation
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: A century ago, the Council of the League of Nations maintained that when a government reached the "stage of development where their existence as independent able to stand alone" that would have signaled the birth of a nation. Since 1988, when the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) declared independence, the Palestinians have not been able to establish that government stature.

RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Right of Return
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This shot video is just a claim. I have a Right to have a Million Dollars (Right of Wealth). But by the same token, No one is obligated to give me a Million Dollars.


(COMMENT)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) of DEC 1948, is NOT law. It was never brought into force. But even if it was International Law, or the backbone to Customary Law, it still come after the outbreak of hostilities in MAY 1948. It is International Law that a law cannot be retroactively applied.

There are 9 CORE International Human Rights instruments, but the oldest of these was adopted in 1965. Nor is the UDHR considered a Universal Human Rights Instrument as listed by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. You should take notice that in both cases - the UDHR is NOT listed in the core. It is a non-binding reference document.

The actual binding requirement that is referred to as the Right of Return (RoR) is found in Article 12,
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), having an entry into force date of 23 MAR 1976. And Article 12 of the CCPR varies from Article 13 of the UDHR.

Further, in 1948, the Israelis may have displaced Arabs, but they did not move the Arab to another country. They were moved into the partition earmarked as the Arab State in the UNSCOP Recommendation adopted by the General Assembly in NOV 1947. And as for Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV), the application used in the little video was from paragraph 1:


Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of any other country? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory? (RHETORICAL) NO!

Why don't you use your own words?

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Most Respectfully,

R
The Palestinians do not ask anyone to "give" them anything.
How much welfare money has the international community given to Fatah and Hamas?
Not needed without Israel.
(COMMENT)

For the last decade, Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has been (literally) panhandling for donations to make payroll. A government that is dependent on donor nation for subsistence is not a government at all.

1611604183365.png

Most Respectfully,
R
For the last decade, Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has been (literally) panhandling for donations to make payroll. A government that is dependent on donor nation for subsistence is not a government at all.
You are sidestepping my post. You are talking about today without historical context.

Israel has stolen, bombed, or bulldozed most of Palestine's assets. Of course they are going to need aid.
 

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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Right of Return
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This shot video is just a claim. I have a Right to have a Million Dollars (Right of Wealth). But by the same token, No one is obligated to give me a Million Dollars.


(COMMENT)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) of DEC 1948, is NOT law. It was never brought into force. But even if it was International Law, or the backbone to Customary Law, it still come after the outbreak of hostilities in MAY 1948. It is International Law that a law cannot be retroactively applied.

There are 9 CORE International Human Rights instruments, but the oldest of these was adopted in 1965. Nor is the UDHR considered a Universal Human Rights Instrument as listed by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. You should take notice that in both cases - the UDHR is NOT listed in the core. It is a non-binding reference document.

The actual binding requirement that is referred to as the Right of Return (RoR) is found in Article 12,
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), having an entry into force date of 23 MAR 1976. And Article 12 of the CCPR varies from Article 13 of the UDHR.

Further, in 1948, the Israelis may have displaced Arabs, but they did not move the Arab to another country. They were moved into the partition earmarked as the Arab State in the UNSCOP Recommendation adopted by the General Assembly in NOV 1947. And as for Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV), the application used in the little video was from paragraph 1:


Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of any other country? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory? (RHETORICAL) NO!

Why don't you use your own words?

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Most Respectfully,

R
The Palestinians do not ask anyone to "give" them anything.
How much welfare money has the international community given to Fatah and Hamas?
Not needed without Israel.
Your comments tend to typify the victim mentality that the Pallys use to defend their failures. You're hoping to use Israel as an excuse to sidestep those attributes that cause Pallys to be afflicted with the same failures shared by so much of the Arab-Moslem world.

Consider, Your attitudes reflect the ''it's all the fault of the Jews'', where in just a few decades, Israel has managed to build a world-class economy and a modern, parliamentary democracy amidst a portion of the globe that has been burdened by the boat anchor of Islamism.

From a sidebar found at Post-Gazette.com, (from 2007, virtually nothing has changed)

The United Nations Development Program, in a report published last year, described in often painful detail some of the factors that have contributed to the decline of science and the rise of extremism in Arab societies. Among them are:

- Increases in average income have been lower in the Arab world than anywhere else for 20 years, except for the poorest African countries. "If such trends continue...it will take the average Arab citizen 140 years to double his or her income, whole other regions are set to achieve that level in a matter of less than 10 years," the report noted. One in 5 Arabs lives on less than $2 a day.

- Arab unemployment is the highest in the developing world.

- Surveys show more than half of young Arabs want to leave their countries and live in theUnited States or other industrialized countries where opportunities are better.

- The Arab brain drain is the world's worst, with about 25 percent of new graduates in science, medicine and engineering emigrating each year.

- About 1 in 4 Arab adults can neither read nor write. This is a particular problem among Arab women, 50 per cent of whom are illiterate. Many children do not attend school.

- The quality of education has declined, with many schools teaching mainly interpretations of the Koran, rather than other knowledge or skills.

- Less than 0.6 per cent of Arabs use the Internet and barely 1.2 percent have access to a personal computer. There are 18 computers per 1,000 Arabs, compared to the global average of 78.3.

- During the entire 20th century, fewer than 10,000 books were translated into Arabic -- equivalent to the number translated into Spanish in a single year. Religious books account for 17 per cent of new publications in Arab countries, compared to a world average of 5 per cent.

- Censorship stifles ideas, information and innovation. Numerous censors review book manuscripts, each with the power to edit text or demand revisions.

"" Pittsburgh Post-Gazette | Local, National & World News
5/27/2007 - Article Ref: PG0404-2278




How does it feel to be the forever victim of your own failures?
 
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RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
SUBTOPIC: Right of Return
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This shot video is just a claim. I have a Right to have a Million Dollars (Right of Wealth). But by the same token, No one is obligated to give me a Million Dollars.


(COMMENT)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) of DEC 1948, is NOT law. It was never brought into force. But even if it was International Law, or the backbone to Customary Law, it still come after the outbreak of hostilities in MAY 1948. It is International Law that a law cannot be retroactively applied.

There are 9 CORE International Human Rights instruments, but the oldest of these was adopted in 1965. Nor is the UDHR considered a Universal Human Rights Instrument as listed by the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. You should take notice that in both cases - the UDHR is NOT listed in the core. It is a non-binding reference document.

The actual binding requirement that is referred to as the Right of Return (RoR) is found in Article 12,
International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), having an entry into force date of 23 MAR 1976. And Article 12 of the CCPR varies from Article 13 of the UDHR.

Further, in 1948, the Israelis may have displaced Arabs, but they did not move the Arab to another country. They were moved into the partition earmarked as the Arab State in the UNSCOP Recommendation adopted by the General Assembly in NOV 1947. And as for Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV), the application used in the little video was from paragraph 1:


Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs from occupied territory to the territory of any other country? (RHETORICAL) NO!
◈ Did Israel actually displace the Arabs protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory? (RHETORICAL) NO!

Why don't you use your own words?

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Most Respectfully,

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The Palestinians do not ask anyone to "give" them anything.
How much welfare money has the international community given to Fatah and Hamas?
Not needed without Israel.
Your comments tend to typify the victim mentality that the Pallys use to defend their failures. You're hoping to use Israel as an excuse to sidestep those attributes that cause Pallys to be afflicted with the same failures shared by so much of the Arab-Moslem world.

Consider, Your attitudes reflect the ''it's all the fault of the Jews'', where in just a few decades, Israel has managed to build a world-class economy and a modern, parliamentary democracy amidst a portion of the globe that has been burdened by the boat anchor of Islamism.

From a sidebar found at Post-Gazette.com, (from 2007, virtually nothing has changed)

The United Nations Development Program, in a report published last year, described in often painful detail some of the factors that have contributed to the decline of science and the rise of extremism in Arab societies. Among them are:

- Increases in average income have been lower in the Arab world than anywhere else for 20 years, except for the poorest African countries. "If such trends continue...it will take the average Arab citizen 140 years to double his or her income, whole other regions are set to achieve that level in a matter of less than 10 years," the report noted. One in 5 Arabs lives on less than $2 a day.

- Arab unemployment is the highest in the developing world.

- Surveys show more than half of young Arabs want to leave their countries and live in theUnited States or other industrialized countries where opportunities are better.

- The Arab brain drain is the world's worst, with about 25 percent of new graduates in science, medicine and engineering emigrating each year.

- About 1 in 4 Arab adults can neither read nor write. This is a particular problem among Arab women, 50 per cent of whom are illiterate. Many children do not attend school.

- The quality of education has declined, with many schools teaching mainly interpretations of the Koran, rather than other knowledge or skills.

- Less than 0.6 per cent of Arabs use the Internet and barely 1.2 percent have access to a personal computer. There are 18 computers per 1,000 Arabs, compared to the global average of 78.3.

- During the entire 20th century, fewer than 10,000 books were translated into Arabic -- equivalent to the number translated into Spanish in a single year. Religious books account for 17 per cent of new publications in Arab countries, compared to a world average of 5 per cent.

- Censorship stifles ideas, information and innovation. Numerous censors review book manuscripts, each with the power to edit text or demand revisions.

"" Pittsburgh Post-Gazette | Local, National & World News
5/27/2007 - Article Ref: PG0404-2278




How does it feel to be the forever victim of your own failures?
where in just a few decades, Israel has managed to build a world-class economy
Who stole, bombed, and bulldozed their stuff?
 
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- Less than 0.6 per cent of Arabs use the Internet and barely 1.2 percent have access to a personal computer. There are 18 computers per 1,000 Arabs, compared to the global average of 78.3.
Moreover, the percentage of individuals (10 years and above) who used the internet from anywhere reached 71% in Palestine (74% in the West Bank and 65% in Gaza Strip). Also, data showed that the percentage of male internet users reached 72% compared to 69% of females. It is noted that 96% of individuals (10 years and above) used the internet via a Smartphone, whereas the percentage of individuals (10 years and above) who used the internet via a computer (desktop or laptop) is about 22% and 10% used the internet through a tablet. Furthermore, results showed that the highest percentage of those who use the internet are young people in the age group (18-29) with a percentage of (86%).

 

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