Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.

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Candace Owens x Ana Kasparian​

 

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Hezbollah vs. Israel: 3,000 Fighters vs. 120,000 Soldiers | Laith Marouf​

 

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Israel SHOCK after Ben-Gvir Assault Caught on Camera​

 

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They Want You Hopeless: The Psychology of Empire & Resistance, w/ Lara Sheehi​

 

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They Want You Hopeless: The Psychology of Empire & Resistance, w/ Lara Sheehi

Can I ask you a question about all the stuff you're posting?

How come Egypt and Jordan didn't create a Palestine in Gaza and Judea/Samaria when they controlled it from 1948-1967?

 

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Can I ask you a question about all the stuff you're posting?

How come Egypt and Jordan didn't create a Palestine in Gaza and Judea/Samaria when they controlled it from 1948-1967?

They didn't have to.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

They didn't have to.

Why not?

 

[Shusha]

Can I ask you a question about all the stuff you're posting?

How come Egypt and Jordan didn't create a Palestine in Gaza and Judea/Samaria when they controlled it from 1948-1967?

 

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Colonel (Ret.) Jaques Neriah | On The Record​

 

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How come Egypt and Jordan didn't create a Palestine in Gaza and Judea/Samaria when they controlled it from 1948-1967?

For one, Palestine had already been a state since 1924 so it was not necessary to "create" something that already existed.

There were two scenarios.

Jordan believed in the failed partition plan. There was an agreement between Jordan and the Zionists that they could have the West Bank if they did not attack in the 1948 war. Jordan attempted to annex the West Bank but it is illegal to annex occupied territory. So the West Bank continued to be occupied Palestinian territory.

Egypt was different. They helped to create the All Palestine Government. A constitution was created. A Declaration of Independence was sent to the UN. Since they had no money or power, that government did not last very long.

 

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Hezbollah's FPV drones turn the tide of battle​

 

[AnOrangeCat]

For one, Palestine had already been a state since 1924 so it was not necessary to "create" something that already existed.

The British Mandate for Palestine began following World War I, transitioning from initial military administration to formal recognition. [1]

• July 1, 1920: The British military occupation transitioned into a formal civil administration.
• April 25, 1920: The mandate was officially granted to Great Britain by the League of Nations at the San Remo Conference.
• July 24, 1922: The League of Nations formally approved the terms of the mandate.
• September 29, 1923: The Mandate officially went into legal effect. [1, 2, 3]

The mandate lasted until May 15, 1948, when Britain withdrew and the State of Israel was established. To explore the origins and official documents of this era, you can review the United Nations Question of Palestine history timeline (I encourage you to click that link)

So at what point was there a Palestinian state created, and why did Jordan and Egypt annex Judea/Samaria and Gaza if that was supposed to be a Palestinian State? Wouldn't that make those residents Jordanian and Egyptian since they annexed both territories?

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Jordan believed in the failed partition plan.

The partition plan failed because Arabs rejected it for jihad.

The partition plan from 1947 would have resulted in a 90/10 Arab state in Jordan and J/S, and a 53/47 Jewish state in what would eventually become Israel. The Jews accepted that knowing that they wouldn't have a large majority of Jewish citizens. That proves intent to compromise. Arabs rejected that partition and seized land from Jews living in J/S and Gaza while at the exact same time, Israel offered citizenship to Arabs living there, and 150,000-175,000 took Israel up on that offer, and that's why there are 2 million Israeli Arabs today.

You don't seem to know much about the history of that region.

 

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an. There was an agreement between Jordan and the Zionists that they could have the West Bank if they did not attack in the 1948 war.

This is not true. And it was Jordan who was the aggressor in the 1948 war, invading the land of Israel and trying to "push the Jews into the sea" and "finish the job (the Nazis) started". Jordan was one of the 5 Arab armies that invaded Israel, crossing its border into Judea/Samaria, eventually annexing it.

So how come Jordan annexed it if it was supposed to be a Palestinian state, and why didn't they create that state between 1948-1967? The obvious answer is that "Palestinians" in J/S were actually Jordanians since Jordan annexed it.

 

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Jordan attempted to annex the West Bank but it is illegal to annex occupied territory.

But they did annex it. They didn't create a Palestinian state when they did. That became Jordanian territory regardless if it was recognized internationally (which it was). The idea of "occupation" didn't start until 1967.

So the West Bank continued to be occupied Palestinian territory.

That makes no sense.

Why wouldn't Jordan create a Palestinian state there if that's where the state is supposed to be?

 

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Egypt was different. They helped to create the All Palestine Government. A constitution was created. A Declaration of Independence was sent to the UN. Since they had no money or power, that government did not last very long.

None of that is true.

Egypt did not create a Palestinian state in Gaza, it was annexed Egyptian territory from the start and remained as such until 1967. So again, if Egypt controlled Gaza, why didn't they create a Palestinian state there? It was recognized as Egyptian territory, and Egypt revoked that claim in 1979 when they signed a peace deal with Israel.

So why didn't Egypt create a Palestinian state in Gaza between 1948-1967?

 

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So at what point was there a Palestinian state created,

Read article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne. Then read the Palestine Citizenship Order of 1925. Then the four armistice agreements of 1949.

Get back to me with any questions.

BTW, thanks for the link.

 

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Read article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne. Then read the Palestine Citizenship Order of 1925. Then the four armistice agreements of 1949.

That didn't create a Palestinian state, it just made citizens of the British Mandate.

And Arabs rejected the partition in in 1947 and Jordan did not create a Palestinian state in 1949. You know how I know that? Because in 1994, Israel made peace with Jordan and Jordan revoked their claim over the West Bank as part of that peace deal. Same thing with Egypt in 1979.

 

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That didn't create a Palestinian state, it just made citizens of the British Mandate.

And Arabs rejected the partition in in 1947 and Jordan did not create a Palestinian state in 1949. You know how I know that? Because in 1994, Israel made peace with Jordan and Jordan revoked their claim over the West Bank as part of that peace deal. Same thing with Egypt in 1979.

The mandate was not a place it was an administrarion.

 

[Shusha]

Read article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne. Then read the Palestine Citizenship Order of 1925. Then the four armistice agreements of 1949.

Get back to me with any questions.

BTW, thanks for the link.

Is there any article in particular in the Armistice Agreements that you would like us to look at? Edited to add: I'm assuming it is the boundary lines and their limitations?