P F Tinmore
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War on Gaza: Session 2: Political and Moral Dimensions
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Which opposing views?RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews
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BLUF: I have fallen into the discussion trap a number of times.
(COMMENT)
Let's make it clear, the central theme is NOT about whether someone is Arab Palestinian or not. Being born in the undefined territory of Palestine does not, in and by itself, grant citizenship or acquire a nationality. The central theme is about the Right for Israel to Exist and within a perimeter that is militarily defendable.
Dana Abu Shamsiya (DAS) can call herself "Palestinian" all she wants. But what does that get her?
If there is a sovereign realm of "Palestine" → I don't know where it is... Different Arab Palestinians say different things in their description and outline. But one of the more common themes is:
"I am a Palestinian lion cub, planted in my land…
The blood of the martyrs throws through my veins… I harvest souls on the battlefield.
I am a guardian of Al-Aqsa and the [Dome of] the Rock…
I am feared by the armies of betrayal. I am desired by the black-eyed virgins [of Paradise]…
Liberation shall come at the hands of the lion cubs." (DAS)
I am sure that the wizards of Nashville can put these words to a good foot-stomping score of music. But what I hear is the confession of a person that promotes and incites violence. Dana Abu Shamsiya supports organizations that commit "criminal acts" directed against Israel, intended or calculated to create "terror" in the minds of the citizenry and general public. DAS wants to provide direct support for Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence.
But the true theme is all about the Right to the Existence of Israel and the Jewish National Home. In contrast, the Arab Palestinians like DAS, who support violence, have a bit more of a counter-Theme:
◈ Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people;◈ Palestine - all of Palestine - is a land of Islamic and Arab affiliation, a blessed sacred land;◈ No recognition of the legitimacy of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long;◈ Liberation of Palestine is a national duty;
And, in my opinion, these two opposing views should be the central theme.
Most Respectfully,
R
Where did you get all that from the video?RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews.
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BLUF: In the role of fighting the Israelis, women have a duty.
(PALESTINIAN POLICY QUOTES)Lens on Palestine: Stitching Palestine discussion with Nusayba Hammad
It is necessary that scientists, educators and teachers, information and media people, as well as the educated masses, especially the youth and sheikhs of the Islamic movements, should take part in the operation of awakening (the masses).
That is why you find them giving these attempts constant attention through information campaigns, films, and the school curriculum, using for that purpose their lackeys who are infiltrated through Zionist organizations under various names and shapes, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, espionage groups and others, which are all nothing more than cells of subversion and saboteurs.
(COMMENT)
She follows the line, the duty, the role.
Most Respectfully,
R
But the true theme is all about the Right to the Existence of Israel and the Jewish National Home. In contrast, the Arab Palestinians like DAS, who support violence, have a bit more of a counter-Theme:
◈ Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people;◈ Palestine - all of Palestine - is a land of Islamic and Arab affiliation, a blessed sacred land;◈ No recognition of the legitimacy of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long;◈ Liberation of Palestine is a national duty;
And, in my opinion, these two opposing views should be the central theme.
(COMMENT)Which opposing views?
OK, so where does Israel get the "right" to exist inside Palestine's international borders?RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews
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BLUF: Now you are just being argumentative without a cause.
But the true theme is all about the Right to the Existence of Israel and the Jewish National Home. In contrast, the Arab Palestinians like DAS, who support violence, have a bit more of a counter-Theme:
◈ Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people;◈ Palestine - all of Palestine - is a land of Islamic and Arab affiliation, a blessed sacred land;◈ No recognition of the legitimacy of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long;◈ Liberation of Palestine is a national duty;
And, in my opinion, these two opposing views should be the central theme.(COMMENT)Which opposing views?
The "Right for Israel to Exist" Vs "The Right of the Arab Palestinians to Oppose the Existence."
Most Respectfully,
R
And, in my opinion, these two opposing views should be the central theme.
Which opposing views?
The "Right for Israel to Exist" Vs "The Right of the Arab Palestinians to Oppose the Existence."
(COMMENT)OK, so where does Israel get the "right" to exist inside Palestine's international borders?
Palestine does not have, and have never had international bordersOK, so where does Israel get the "right" to exist inside Palestine's international borders?RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: Now you are just being argumentative without a cause.
But the true theme is all about the Right to the Existence of Israel and the Jewish National Home. In contrast, the Arab Palestinians like DAS, who support violence, have a bit more of a counter-Theme:
◈ Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people;◈ Palestine - all of Palestine - is a land of Islamic and Arab affiliation, a blessed sacred land;◈ No recognition of the legitimacy of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long;◈ Liberation of Palestine is a national duty;
And, in my opinion, these two opposing views should be the central theme.(COMMENT)Which opposing views?
The "Right for Israel to Exist" Vs "The Right of the Arab Palestinians to Oppose the Existence."
Most Respectfully,
R
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Palestine does not have, and have never had international bordersOK, so where does Israel get the "right" to exist inside Palestine's international borders?RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: Now you are just being argumentative without a cause.
But the true theme is all about the Right to the Existence of Israel and the Jewish National Home. In contrast, the Arab Palestinians like DAS, who support violence, have a bit more of a counter-Theme:
◈ Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people;◈ Palestine - all of Palestine - is a land of Islamic and Arab affiliation, a blessed sacred land;◈ No recognition of the legitimacy of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long;◈ Liberation of Palestine is a national duty;
And, in my opinion, these two opposing views should be the central theme.(COMMENT)Which opposing views?
The "Right for Israel to Exist" Vs "The Right of the Arab Palestinians to Oppose the Existence."
Most Respectfully,
R
OK, so where does Israel get the "right" to exist inside Palestine's international borders?RE: Palestinian Talks, lectures, & interviews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: Now you are just being argumentative without a cause.
But the true theme is all about the Right to the Existence of Israel and the Jewish National Home. In contrast, the Arab Palestinians like DAS, who support violence, have a bit more of a counter-Theme:
◈ Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people;◈ Palestine - all of Palestine - is a land of Islamic and Arab affiliation, a blessed sacred land;◈ No recognition of the legitimacy of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long;◈ Liberation of Palestine is a national duty;
And, in my opinion, these two opposing views should be the central theme.(COMMENT)Which opposing views?
The "Right for Israel to Exist" Vs "The Right of the Arab Palestinians to Oppose the Existence."
Most Respectfully,
R