Palestinian officials: Jews welcome

[P F Tinmore]

"Brand Israel" is an Israeli propaganda campaign designed to deflect off its illegitimacy.

United Nations member States - Information Sources

The UN violates the rules to recognize Israel.

 

[JStone]

"Brand Israel" is an Israeli propaganda campaign designed to deflect off its illegitimacy.

United Nations member States - Information Sources

The UN violates the rules to recognize Israel.

When did the UN "rules" grant statehood to the US, France, Italy, Germany and the UK? Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia?

 

[P F Tinmore]

United Nations member States - Information Sources

The UN violates the rules to recognize Israel.

When did the UN "rules" grant statehood to the US, France, Italy, Germany and the UK? Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia?

The UN does not grant statehood. It merely recognizes states.

A legitimate state must have territory inside defined borders. This is something Israel does not have.

The UN recognizes Israel inside the 1949 armistice lines. The 1949 UN armistice agreements specifically state that the armistice lanes are not to be borders.

The UN recognizes Israel inside lines that the UN says are not borders.

 

[JStone]

The UN violates the rules to recognize Israel.

When did the UN "rules" grant statehood to the US, France, Italy, Germany and the UK? Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia?

The UN does not grant statehood. It merely recognizes states.

A legitimate state must have territory inside defined borders. This is something Israel does not have.

The UN recognizes Israel inside the 1949 armistice lines. The 1949 UN armistice agreements specifically state that the armistice lanes are not to be borders.

The UN recognizes Israel inside lines that the UN says are not borders.

The UN recognizes Israel as a state.United Nations member States - Information Sources

The UN is not empowered to establish borders.

Now, even you know, dink

 

[P F Tinmore]

When did the UN "rules" grant statehood to the US, France, Italy, Germany and the UK? Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia?

The UN does not grant statehood. It merely recognizes states.

A legitimate state must have territory inside defined borders. This is something Israel does not have.

The UN recognizes Israel inside the 1949 armistice lines. The 1949 UN armistice agreements specifically state that the armistice lanes are not to be borders.

The UN recognizes Israel inside lines that the UN says are not borders.

The UN recognizes Israel as a state.United Nations member States - Information Sources

The UN is not empowered to establish borders.

Now, even you know, dink

The UN merely recognizes states inside their defined borders. Since Israel has no borders the UN uses lines that are not borders.

 

[JStone]

The UN violates the rules to recognize Israel.

When did the UN "rules" grant statehood to the US, France, Italy, Germany and the UK? Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia?

The UN does not grant statehood. It merely recognizes states.

A legitimate state must have territory inside defined borders. This is something Israel does not have.

The UN recognizes Israel inside the 1949 armistice lines. The 1949 UN armistice agreements specifically state that the armistice lanes are not to be borders.

The UN recognizes Israel inside lines that the UN says are not borders.

The League of Nations established border's for the Jewish National Home in 1922, from the Galilee in the north to the NEgev in the south, from the Jordan River in the east to the Med. Sea in the West.

League of Nations, September 16, 1922

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

 

[P F Tinmore]

When did the UN "rules" grant statehood to the US, France, Italy, Germany and the UK? Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia?

The UN does not grant statehood. It merely recognizes states.

A legitimate state must have territory inside defined borders. This is something Israel does not have.

The UN recognizes Israel inside the 1949 armistice lines. The 1949 UN armistice agreements specifically state that the armistice lanes are not to be borders.

The UN recognizes Israel inside lines that the UN says are not borders.

The League of Nations established border's for the Jewish National Home in 1922, from the Galilee in the north to the NEgev in the south, from the Jordan River in the east to the Med. Sea in the West.

League of Nations, September 16, 1922

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

And those Palestinian borders are still valid today.

 

[JStone]

The UN does not grant statehood. It merely recognizes states.

A legitimate state must have territory inside defined borders. This is something Israel does not have.

The UN recognizes Israel inside the 1949 armistice lines. The 1949 UN armistice agreements specifically state that the armistice lanes are not to be borders.

The UN recognizes Israel inside lines that the UN says are not borders.

The League of Nations established border's for the Jewish National Home in 1922, from the Galilee in the north to the NEgev in the south, from the Jordan River in the east to the Med. Sea in the West.

League of Nations, September 16, 1922

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

And those Palestinian borders are still valid today.

Israel, not Palestine. Palestine was made up by Europeans

 

[P F Tinmore]

The League of Nations established border's for the Jewish National Home in 1922, from the Galilee in the north to the NEgev in the south, from the Jordan River in the east to the Med. Sea in the West.

League of Nations, September 16, 1922

And those Palestinian borders are still valid today.

Israel, not Palestine. Palestine was made up by Europeans

Palestinian borders according to the 1949 armistice agreements. Israel has no borders.

 

[JStone]

And those Palestinian borders are still valid today.

Israel, not Palestine. Palestine was made up by Europeans

Palestinian borders according to the 1949 armistice agreements. Israel has no borders.

I just told you the League of Nations established borders for the Jewish National Home in 1922.

Are you retarded or just plain stupid?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel, not Palestine. Palestine was made up by Europeans

Palestinian borders according to the 1949 armistice agreements. Israel has no borders.

I just told you the League of Nations established borders for the Jewish National Home in 1922.

Are you retarded or just plain stupid?

Yeah, in Palestine.

"Stupid" seems to be your problem.

 

[JStone]

Palestinian borders according to the 1949 armistice agreements. Israel has no borders.

I just told you the League of Nations established borders for the Jewish National Home in 1922.

Are you retarded or just plain stupid?

Yeah, in Palestine.

"Stupid" seems to be your problem.

Palestine was the Western name for Israel, dink.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I just told you the League of Nations established borders for the Jewish National Home in 1922.

Are you retarded or just plain stupid?

Yeah, in Palestine.

"Stupid" seems to be your problem.

Palestine was the Western name for Israel, dink.

Then why isn't all of Palestine called Israel?

 

[JStone]

Yeah, in Palestine.

"Stupid" seems to be your problem.

Palestine was the Western name for Israel, dink.

Then why isn't all of Palestine called Israel?

Palestine was the Western name for Israel. Now, you're a double dink

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine was the Western name for Israel, dink.

Then why isn't all of Palestine called Israel?

Palestine was the Western name for Israel. Now, you're a double dink

So, all Palestinians are really Israelis?

 

[JStone]

Then why isn't all of Palestine called Israel?

Palestine was the Western name for Israel. Now, you're a double dink

So, all Palestinians are really Israelis?

Palestine is a fake name imposed on Israel by the Romans and British. Your Palestinians must love cappuccino with their bangers and mash

 

[Jos]

The following description also provides evidence from the late tenth century: "Palestine is watered by the rains and the dew. Its trees and its ploughed lands do not need artificial irrigation. Palestine is the most fertile of the Syrian province."(3)

In 1615 the English traveler George Sandys described Palestine as "a land that flows with milk and honey; in the midst as it were of the habitable world, and under a temperate clime; adorned with beautiful mountains and luxurious valleys; the rocks producing excellent waters; and no part empty of delight or profit."(4)

A British missionary who lived in Beirut and visited Palestine in 1859 described the southern coastal area as "a very ocean of wheat," and the British Consul in Jerusalem, James Finn, reported that "the fields would do credit to British farming."(5)

The German geographer Alexander Scholch concluded that between 1856 and 1882 "Palestine produced a relatively large agricultural surplus which was marketed in neighboring countries, such as Egypt and Lebanon, and increasingly exported to Europe. These exports included wheat, barley, dura, maise, sesame, olive oil, soap, oranges, vegetables and cotton. Among the European importers of Palestinian produce were France, England, Turkey, Greece, Italy and Malta."(6)

Lawrence Oliphant, who visited Palestine in 1887, wrote that Palestine's Valley of Esdraelon was "a huge green lake of waving wheat, with its village-crowned mounds rising from it like islands; and it presents one of the most striking pictures of luxuriant fertility which it is possible to conceive."(7) This Palestinian wheat had historically played an important part in international commerce. According to Paul Masson, a French economic historian, "wheat shipments from the Palestinian port of Acre had helped to save southern France from famine on numerous occasions in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries."(8)

Agricultural techniques in Palestine, especially in citriculture, were among the most advanced in the world long before the first Zionist settlers came to its shores. In 1856, the American consul in Jerusalem, Henry Gillman, "outlined reasons why orange growers in Florida would find it advantageous to adopt Palestinian techniques of grafting directly onto lemon trees."^ In 1893, the British Consul advised his government of the value of importing "young trees procured from Jaffa" to improve production in Australia and South Africa.(10)

All of this historical evidence from unimpeachable eyewitnesses destroys Israel's contention that it developed Palestine through its colonization. The legend that the Zionists have created, that they made "the desert bloom with roses," is totally without foundation. It is a ploy to gain donations from naive Jews throughout the world and to help extort economic aid from the American Congress. The economic achievements of Israel today are built totally on the capital base of lands, property and possessions usurped from the Palestinian Arabs.

The Zionists tell tourists, mainly Americans, that they "liberated this land when it was but a desolate desert." They point to the Arab orchards and citrus groves which they usurped and claim that Israeli "pioneers" planted them. They point to the twelve cities which were either entirely Arab or of mixed Jewish and Arab population, in which the Palestinian Arabs owned more than 75% of the houses and apartment buildings, as well as commercial and industrial buildings, and claim that they were built by Zionistenterprise. They changed the names of Arab towns and villages, settling Jews in Arab homes and on usurped Arab lands, and deny that Palestinian Arabs ever lived in these places.

Zionist myth-makers may persuade the innocent of their alleged achievements, but they themselves know the truth. In the words of Moshe Dayan:

We came to this country which was already populated by Arabs, and we are establishing a Hebrew, that is, a Jewish State here. Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you, because these geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahalal arose in the place of Mahalul; Gevat in the place of Jibta; Sarid in the place of Haneifa and Kefar Yehoshua in the place of Tell Shaman. There is not one place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

 

[JStone]

palestine-encyclopedia.com

Bogus link, spanish cow

Historian Bernard Lewis...

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate [1948]

It is by now commonplace that the civilizations of the Middle East are oldest known to human history. They go back thousands of years, much older than the civilizations of India and China, not to speak of other upstart places. It is also interesting, though now often forgotten, that the ancient civilizations of the Middle East were almost totally obliterated and forgotten by their own people as well as by others. Their monuments were defaced or destroyed, their languages forgotten, their scripts forgotten, their history forgotten and even their identities forgotten. All that was known about them came from one single source, and that is Israel, the only component of the ancient Middle East to have retained their identity, their memory, their language and their books. For a very long time, up to comparatively modern times, with rare exceptions all that was known about the ancient Middle East--the Babylonians, the Egyptians and the rest--was what the Jewish tradiiton has preserved.

References to Palestine in Hebrew Bible: Zero

References to Palestine in Christian Bible: Zero

References to Palestine in Quran: Zero

References to Israel in Bible: 2000 times

References to Palestine in Zoroastrian Avesta: Zero

References to Palestine in Septuagint Greek Translation of Hebrew Bible: Zero

References to Palestine in any ancient historical documents: Zero

References to Palestine in any archaeological artifacts: Zero

 

[Jos]

General (Reserve) Rehav'am Zeevi, who as a member of the Palmach and Haganah in 1948 took part in expelling the Palestinians, and who was Chief of Staff, southern command and central command, from 1955 to 1964, when he took part in theexpulsion of more Palestinians, addressed a symposium on the 2nd of March, 1988, of 150 Zionist leaders in the Zionist organization (Jewish Agency) House in Jerusalem. He was propagating the idea of the expulsion of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza. Joshua Brilliant, correspondent of the Jerusalem Post, who attended the meeting, stated the following:

Zeevi argued that "transfer" would be humane because the Palestinians would no longer be in the battle zone between the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and the Arab armies. Seeking legitimacy for his views in Israeli history, he said that more than 400 Arab localities which were still in existence in the late '40's had been replaced by Jewish settlements, including some affiliated with Mapam's Hashomer Hatzair. Moreover, Levi Eshkol, the prime minister during the Six Day War, had set up an intelligence unit to deal with the question of expulsions. However, he was vague as to how the expulsions should take place. When pressed by a former intelligence chief, Aluf (res.) Shlomo Gazit, he advocated making Israel unattractive for Arabs. If they face unemployment, and a shortage of land and water, then "in a legitimate way, and in accordance with the Geneva Convention, we can create the necessary conditions for separation."(12)

These Arab towns and villages were not merely place names on a map. They were developed communities containing farms, factories, stores and schools, with an infrastructure of doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, merchants, mechanics, industrialists, workers and farmers which would be the envy of any developing country today. Yet the Zionists not only deny the developed state of the Palestine which they usurped or destroyed, but even deny the identity and existence of the Palestinians. They claim that the "British created the Palestinian identity ." This is easily belied by such evidence as the existence of a modem Arabic-language newspaper named Filastin, which addressed its readers as Palestinians in 1911, six years before the Balfour Declaration and well before the commencement of the British Mandate.(13)

But truth has never been important to the Zionists. What they destroyed or usurped has to be presented as nonexistent. Thus in 1969 Golda Myerson (alias Meir), a Russian-born U.S. citizen and Israeli Prime Minister, had the audacity to ask at a press conference in the United States, "Who are the Palestinians?"

Chapter 2: Encyclopedia of the Palestine Problem

 

[JStone]

palestine-encyclopedia.com

BOGUS link, again, dink.

Internationally Respected Historian Bernard Lewis...

The adjective Palestinian is comparatively new. This, I need hardly remind you, is a region of ancient civilization and of deep-rooted and often complex identitites. But, Palestine was not one of them. People might identify themselves for various purposes, by religion, by descent, or by allegiance to a particular state or ruler, or, sometimes, locality. But, when they did it locally it was generally either the city and the immediate district or the larger province, so they would have been Jerusalemites or Jaffaites or Syrians, identifying province of Syria

The constitution or the formation of a political entity called Palestine which eventually gave rise to a nationality called Palestinian were lasting innovations of the British Mandate [1948]

It is by now commonplace that the civilizations of the Middle East are oldest known to human history. They go back thousands of years, much older than the civilizations of India and China, not to speak of other upstart places. It is also interesting, though now often forgotten, that the ancient civilizations of the Middle East were almost totally obliterated and forgotten by their own people as well as by others. Their monuments were defaced or destroyed, their languages forgotten, their scripts forgotten, their history forgotten and even their identities forgotten. All that was known about them came from one single source, and that is Israel, the only component of the ancient Middle East to have retained their identity, their memory, their language and their books. For a very long time, up to comparatively modern times, with rare exceptions all that was known about the ancient Middle East--the Babylonians, the Egyptians and the rest--was what the Jewish tradiiton has preserved.

American Library Association

For more than four decades, Bernard Lewis has been one of the most respected scholars and prolific writers on the history and politics of the Middle East. In this compilation of more than 50 journal articles and essays, he displays the full range of his eloquence, knowledge, and insight regarding this pivotal and volatile region."
http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/gener...olitics/MiddleEast/?view=usa&ci=9780195144215

References to Palestine in Hebrew Bible: Zero

References to Palestine in Christian Bible: Zero

References to Palestine in Quran: Zero

References to Israel in Bible: 2000 times

References to Palestine in Zoroastrian Avesta: Zero

References to Palestine in Septuagint Greek Translation of Hebrew Bible: Zero

References to Palestine in any ancient historical documents: Zero

References to Palestine in any archaeological artifacts: Zero