Palestine now has 9 UN members onboard for statehood

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1VKXHwgWVE&feature=related]Palestine now has 9 UN members onboard for statehood, USA VETO no longer effective (experts say) - YouTube[/ame]
 

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Guy Milliere, Eminent Professor of History and Political Science, Sorbonne, Paris :lol:
No one had heard of a Palestinian people before the mid-1960s. They did not exist. Israel under the British Mandate until Israel' s Independence in 1948 was called Palestine. All Jews who were born there until i948 had the word « Palestine » stamped on their passports. The current Palestinians are those Arabs who, for a variety of reasons, decided to leave the land during the 1947 War of Independence, when five countries – Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq – attacked the 600,000 people in the fledgling state of Israel the day after its birth, hoping to kill it in the crib.
The War Against Israel Goes On- by Guy Millière | DRZZ.fr
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsJjm5K07V0]Who are the Palestinians? - YouTube[/ame]
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Palestinian women's motor racing team 'Speedsisters'

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLazOskICWQ&feature=related]Speedsisters: women car racers - YouTube[/ame]
 

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Palestinian women's motor racing team 'Speedsisters'
Jews were known as Palestinians during the British Mandate prior to Israeli statehood. So, who are your Palestinians? :lol:

"Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".

Before the establishment of the State of Israel, the meaning of the word "Palestinian" didn't discriminate on ethnic grounds, but rather referred to anything associated with the region. The local newspaper, founded in 1932 by Gershon Agron was called The Palestine Post. In 1950, its name was changed to The Jerusalem Post.

In 1923, Pinhas Rutenberg founded the Palestine Electric Company, Ltd. (later to become the Israel Electric Corporation, Ltd.) There was a [Jewish] Palestine Symphony Orchestra, and in World War II, the British assembled a Jewish Brigade to fight the Axis Powers that was known as the Palestine regiment.

Since the establishment of Israel, its citizens are called Israelis, while the term Palestinians usually refers to the Palestinian Arabs.

Definitions of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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"Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".
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"Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".
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So, your Palestinians are merely garden variety Arabs, after all, originating from Arabia like all other Arabs. Check.
 

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Say, for instance, they drew an east/west line from Jordan to the Med, running through Bethlehem (arbitrary choice for the purposes of the question). The totality of the land in the north is now Israel. The south, Palestine.

Would this be, in effect, no different than the 1948 creation of Israel?
An arbitrary division of land, by a collection of self appointed decision makers, the results of which are imposed on the folks who actually live on the land.
 
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"Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".
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So, your Palestinians are merely garden variety Arabs, after all, originating from Arabia like all other Arabs. Check.
My grandparents are from England, Germany, and Scotland.

Does that mean I am not American?
 

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Say, for instance, they drew an east/west line from Jordan to the Med, running through Bethlehem (arbitrary choice for the purposes of the question). The totality of the land in the north is now Israel. The south, Palestine.

Would this be, in effect, no different than the 1948 creation of Israel?
An arbitrary division of land, by a collection of self appointed decision makers, the results of which are imposed on the folks who actually live on the land.
The Bible mentions Israel 2000 times---Was the Bible written in 1948?
 

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Say, for instance, they drew an east/west line from Jordan to the Med, running through Bethlehem (arbitrary choice for the purposes of the question). The totality of the land in the north is now Israel. The south, Palestine.

Would this be, in effect, no different than the 1948 creation of Israel?
An arbitrary division of land, by a collection of self appointed decision makers, the results of which are imposed on the folks who actually live on the land.
The Bible mentions Israel 2000 times---Was the Bible written in 1948?
Nope, but the modern, secular, political state of Israel was.
But you knew that.
 
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Say, for instance, they drew an east/west line from Jordan to the Med, running through Bethlehem (arbitrary choice for the purposes of the question). The totality of the land in the north is now Israel. The south, Palestine.

Would this be, in effect, no different than the 1948 creation of Israel?
An arbitrary division of land, by a collection of self appointed decision makers, the results of which are imposed on the folks who actually live on the land.
The Bible mentions Israel 2000 times---Was the Bible written in 1948?
That was the old Israel.

The new Israel is a fake.
 

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Say, for instance, they drew an east/west line from Jordan to the Med, running through Bethlehem (arbitrary choice for the purposes of the question). The totality of the land in the north is now Israel. The south, Palestine.

Would this be, in effect, no different than the 1948 creation of Israel?
An arbitrary division of land, by a collection of self appointed decision makers, the results of which are imposed on the folks who actually live on the land.
The Bible mentions Israel 2000 times---Was the Bible written in 1948?
That was the old Israel.

The new Israel is a fake.
Barack Obama...:
Israel is a sovereign state, and the historic homeland of the Jewish people.

It should be clear to all that efforts to chip away at Israel's legitimacy will only be met by the unshakeable opposition of the United States. Remarks by the President to the United Nations General Assembly | The White House
 
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Barack Obama?

Talk about fakes!
 

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Barack Obama?

Talk about fakes!
Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...
Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.
Tel Dan Stele Verifying King David Dynasty 3000 years ago
The Tel Dan Stela and the Kings of Aram and Israel

Judaea Capta Coins Minted By Romans against Jews 2000 years ago
Judaea Capta coinage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jewish Dead Sea Scrolls 2000 years old.
Dead Sea Scrolls - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel
In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.
The Archaeology of Ancient Israel - Ben-Tor, Amnon; Greenberg, R. - Yale University Press
 
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The new Israel is a fake.
 

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Say, for instance, they drew an east/west line from Jordan to the Med, running through Bethlehem (arbitrary choice for the purposes of the question). The totality of the land in the north is now Israel. The south, Palestine.

Would this be, in effect, no different than the 1948 creation of Israel?
An arbitrary division of land, by a collection of self appointed decision makers, the results of which are imposed on the folks who actually live on the land.
The Bible mentions Israel 2000 times---Was the Bible written in 1948?
That was the old Israel.

The new Israel is a fake.
Would a UN created Palestine be any more or any less real?
 

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That was the old Israel.

The new Israel is a fake.
Would a UN created Palestine be any more or any less real?
The UN did not create the new Israel.
When did the UN create the US, France, Italy, Germany, the UK, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey?

Israel was created 3000 years ago verified by the archaeological record.

Pulitzer Prize-Winning Writer Charles Krauthammer...
Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls written in a script remarkably like the one that today advertises ice cream at the corner candy store.
Tel Dan Stele Verifying King David Dynasty 3000 years ago
http://www.biblearchaeology.org/pos...n-Stela-and-the-Kings-of-Aram-and-Israel.aspx

Judaea Capta Coins Minted By Romans against Jews 2000 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaea_Capta_coinage

Jewish Dead Sea Scrolls 2000 years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

Yale University Press: The Archaeology of Ancient Israel
In this lavishly illustrated book some of Israel's foremost archaeologists present a thorough, up-to-date, and readily accessible survey of early life in the land of the Bible, from the Neolithic era (eighth millennium B.C.E.) to the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. It will be a delightful and informative resource for anyone who has ever wanted to know more about the religious, scientific, or historical background of the region.
http://yalepress.yale.edu/OtherVendors.asp?isbn=9780300059199
 
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Thank you.
So, your Palestinians are merely garden variety Arabs, after all, originating from Arabia like all other Arabs. Check.
My grandparents are from England, Germany, and Scotland.

Does that mean I am not American?
If your grandparents were from Arabia and Arabic were their primary language, and if they were represented by the Arab League and called for Arab unity in their official charter, like Palestinians do, they would be Arab, as the Palestinians are Arabs.

Palestine National Charter of 1964
We, the Palestinian Arab people...

Article 8: Bringing up Palestinian youth in an Arab and nationalist manner is a fundamental national duty

Article 11: The Palestinian people firmly believe in Arab unity

Article 13: The destiny of the Arab Nation and even the essence of Arab existence are firmly tied to the destiny of the Palestine question
 
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