Palestine before Zionism

[amity1844]

Demographic info from Wikipedia, please see this article, as tables are unfortunately not reproducible here:

Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to Alexander Scholch, Palestine in 1850 had about 350,000 inhabitants, 30% of whom lived in 13 towns; roughly 85% were Muslims, 11% were Christians and 4% Jews[24]

According to Ottoman statistics studied by Justin McCarthy,[25] the population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000, in 1860 it was 411,000 and in 1900 about 600,000 of which 94% were Arabs. In 1914 Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews.[26] McCarthy estimates the non-Jewish population of Palestine at 452,789 in 1882, 737,389 in 1914, 725,507 in 1922, 880,746 in 1931 and 1,339,763 in 1946.

 

[Roudy]

epic fail, again:

Year Jews Muslims Christians Total Original Source
1882 9,000 7,000 5,000 21,000 Wilson Kark and Oren-Nordheim

1885 15,000 6,000 14,000 35,000 Goldmann Kark and Oren-Nordheim

1893 >50% ? ? ~40,000 Albert Shaw, Writer Shaw, 1894 [34]

1896 28,112 8,560 8,748 45,420 Calendar of Palestine for the year 5656 Harrel and Stendel, 1974

1905 13,300 11,000 8,100 32,400 1905 Ottoman census U.O.Schmelz[35]

1922 33,971 13,413 14,669 62,578 Census of Palestine (British) Harrel and Stendel, 1974

1931 51,200 19,900 19,300 90,053 Census of Palestine (British) Harrel and Stendel, 1974

1944 97,000 30,600 29,400 157,000 ? Harrel and Stendel, 1974

 

[amity1844]

Population of Jerusalem was majority Jewish from the mid 1800's to the early 1900's.

That is, before the Arabs invaded.

I'm not doubting that Jerusalem might have had a Jewish majority, but do you have a source so I can stick it in the file?

Here's what I have:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_Jerusalem_in_the_19th-century

Your contention that Palestine was somehow a demographic void for all those years until the Jews returned is utterly ridiculous of course. Better think of a better cover story, Roudy.

 

[Roudy]

Population of Jerusalem was majority Jewish from the mid 1800's to the early 1900's.

That is, before the Arabs invaded.

I'm not doubting that Jerusalem might have had a Jewish majority, but do you have a source so I can stick it in the file?

Here's what I have:
Expansion of Jerusalem in the 19th century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your contention that Palestine was somehow a demographic void for all those years until the Jews returned is utterly ridiculous of course. Better think of a better cover story, Roudy.

Palestine certainly didn't BELONG to the Arabs, nor was it a nation. It was Ottoman territory for 600 years and then British territory after WWI, and was in a constant state of flux with people moving in and out, but at all times all invaders with the exception of Muslims realized that they were invading and squatting on the ancient homeland of the Jews.

So you do admit that Jerusalem did have a Jewish majority at several dates thoughout the 1800's and early 1900's. It will never be divided or given to the Muslims. Kiss that one goodbye.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Population of Jerusalem was majority Jewish from the mid 1800's to the early 1900's.

That is, before the Arabs invaded.

I'm not doubting that Jerusalem might have had a Jewish majority, but do you have a source so I can stick it in the file?

Here's what I have:
Expansion of Jerusalem in the 19th century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your contention that Palestine was somehow a demographic void for all those years until the Jews returned is utterly ridiculous of course. Better think of a better cover story, Roudy.

Palestine certainly didn't BELONG to the Arabs, nor was it a nation. It was Ottoman territory for 600 years and then British territory after WWI, and was in a constant state of flux with people moving in and out, but at all times all invaders with the exception of Muslims realized that they were invading and squatting on the ancient homeland of the Jews.

So you do admit that Jerusalem did have a Jewish majority at several dates thoughout the 1800's and early 1900's. It will never be divided or given to the Muslims. Kiss that one goodbye.

When Palestine was separated from Turkey in 1924, all of the people who normally lived inside its international borders (Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc.) became Palestinians. They are the owners of Palestine.

 

[amity1844]

Palestine certainly didn't BELONG to the Arabs, nor was it a nation. It was Ottoman territory for 600 years and then British territory after WWI, and was in a constant state of flux with people moving in and out, but at all times all invaders with the exception of Muslims realized that they were invading and squatting on the ancient homeland of the Jews.

So you do admit that Jerusalem did have a Jewish majority at several dates thoughout the 1800's and early 1900's. It will never be divided or given to the Muslims. Kiss that one goodbye.

It might have had a Jewish majority at times, I don't know. That is why i am asking. All I do know is that practically all of the traditional Jewish community of Palestine lived in Jerusalem.

That constant state of flux with people moving in and out stuff is off the mark. With the upheavals of late Ottoman times there was some shuffling of population no doubt, but basically people inhabited the same piece of ground for centuries, if not millenia. They were a very UN-mobile population.

And by the way, they weren't unusual. I am sure you heard that in Europe until the 18th century the average person never traveled more than 6 miles from his/her place of birth. I never really thought about how ingrained into the culture this was until my family had the genetic testing. The genes were so specific they were able to tell us what part of England the Y line originated in ... Coventry. Palestinians were like that too, families and clans, and locales shown clearly by the clothing.

And since we know that the Muslim Palestinians, along with the Christians of course, descended from the ancient Jews, yes, I think they knew it pretty well.

And best advice would be not to speculate on the future of Jerusalem. "never" is an unreasonably long period of time.

 

[amity1844]

Palestine certainly didn't BELONG to the Arabs, nor was it a nation.

For your purposes it belonged to the Arabs. It certainly didn't belong to anyone else. And since people there were conscious of a Palestinian identity, and they were, I would argue that makes them a nation.

 

[aris2chat]

The problem isn't with 'Zionists' denying that there were Arab towns in the land: it's the denial that there were JEWS living in places like Sfat, which was a very important center of Torah study.

Safed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hostility's insistence that there were so very many 'Palestinian Arab' towns raises the question of 'How did it get that way?' And if we read the article above we can easily see how it all happened. Unfortunately, the actual history blows away the fantasy of 'peaceful coexistence' and the BIG LIE of 'protection' by the Muslim majority.

they just have to go to the jewish cemetery Mt Olives and look back through time. That is jewish real estate.

 

[irosie91]

for those who do not know----migrating to Palestine in the early 1800s---
was virtually suicidal. That land was something like a petri dish for
tuberculosis, shistosomiasis, cholera, impetigo, polio and even
leprosy Jews did it anyway------and then jewish doctors did so.

 

[Roudy]

Palestine certainly didn't BELONG to the Arabs, nor was it a nation.

For your purposes it belonged to the Arabs. It certainly didn't belong to anyone else. And since people there were conscious of a Palestinian identity, and they were, I would argue that makes them a nation.

Nope, for factual purposes the land was Ottoman territory for 700 years and British territory right after the fall of the Ottoman empire. Unless you can show how Arabs are Turks, you're shit outta luck and the Arabs had no say to the land for about 800 years.

 

[Roudy]

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