rightwinger
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Outrageous: 94% of Feds Work From Home
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Moving away from it you mean. Yeah. Fixed that for you.
Since you aren’t in the business world you don’t know.
Working From Home Leads To Decreased Productivity, Research Suggests
A working paper reveals a 10%-20% drop in productivity among remote workers, fueling debate on work models. Leaders must innovate to balance productivity and well-being.
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In all seriousness, why does anyone need to physically be in an office anymore? This is why I love IT, I have no reason to leave my home and my employer doesn't have to pay for expensive office space. In fact, if everyone showed up at the office at one time, we wouldn't have enough space for all of us to sit down. Of course, I'm at the point in my career where I've demonstrated productivity working from home, but literally the only jobs in IT that require a physical presence are the ones managing the data centers. Traditional business doesn't like that because it's not easy to measure IT productivity, but that's their problem.
If I do my job right, no one notices because everything just keeps running. If I do it wrong, everyone notices, right away.
If I do my job right, no one notices because everything just keeps running. If I do it wrong, everyone notices, right away.
WorldWatcher
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Teleworking feds are spending 60% of their time working in person, OMB says
In a congressionally mandated report, the Office of Management and Budget rebuffed many common complaints by congressional Republicans about the popular workplace flexibility.
www.govexec.com
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Gee, believing tweets over data.
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JWBooth
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These are examples of the ability of the private sector to produce and find ways to be be efficient and productive.
The idea that it applies to the parasites in government, who produce nothing, doesn't fly.
Actually, this is a golden opportunity to spread the federal government out among the states. There's no real reason why all the bureaucracies need to be concentrated in one city, making it an easy target for destruction.
Comparing the Compensation of Federal and Private-Sector Employees in 2022
At a Glance In this report, the Congressional Budget Office compares the cost that the federal government incurred in 2022 for the wages and benefits of its civilian employees with the cost that private employers incurred for employees who appear similar in their educational attainment and other...
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At a Glance
In this report, the Congressional Budget Office compares the cost that the federal government incurred in 2022 for the wages and benefits of its civilian employees with the cost that private employers incurred for employees who appear similar in their educational attainment and other observable characteristics likely to affect wages.- Wages. For federal civilian workers whose highest level of education was a bachelor’s degree or more, the cost of wages in 2022 was less, on average, than the cost for private-sector workers with similar observable characteristics. Among workers with less education, federal workers’ wages cost more than those of their counterparts in the private sector, on average.
- Benefits. For employees at most levels of educational attainment, the cost of federal benefits—including retirement benefits and paid leave—exceeded the cost of benefits for their private-sector counterparts in 2022. Those differences in benefits were smaller for workers with more education.
- Total compensation. For federal workers whose highest level of education was a master’s degree or more, the cost of total compensation (the sum of wages and benefits) was less, on average, than the cost for their counterparts in the private sector. For workers with less education, the government spent more on total compensation than it would have if average compensation had been comparable with that in the private sector, after accounting for certain observable characteristics.
- Comparison with the findings in CBO’s 2017 report. CBO’s previous comparison of federal and private-sector compensation covered the period from 2011 to 2015. By 2022, federal compensation had declined relative to private-sector compensation, primarily because lawmakers enacted across-the-board salary increases for federal employees that were smaller than wage growth in the private sector.
- Other job attributes that affect recruitment and retention. Job security, deferred compensation, and the flexibility to work from home are other job attributes that workers may value. By offering more of those job attributes, the federal government and private-sector employers can recruit and retain a highly qualified workforce while spending less on wages and benefits. Federal employment offers more security than many jobs in the private sector, making federal employment more attractive for workers. But a greater share of federal compensation is deferred until retirement, which many workers find less valuable than wages. Federal employees and their private-sector counterparts teleworked at roughly similar rates in 2022.
Other Job Attributes That Can Affect Recruitment and Retention
When searching for a job, most workers are willing to accept lower wages and smaller benefits if the job offers other attributes that they value. Those attributes include job security, an appealing mix of up-front and deferred compensation, and the flexibility to work from home. Employers who offer more of those can spend less on wages and benefits and still recruit and retain a highly qualified workforce. The importance of those attributes to workers’ employment decisions led CBO to examine them qualitatively in this analysis.Workers value job security, and federal employment offers more of it than many jobs in the private sector. Conversely, a greater share of federal compensation is deferred until retirement, which many workers find less valuable than wages. Workers also value the option to work from home; federal employees and their private-sector counterparts teleworked at roughly similar rates in 2022.
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Their benefits are insane as well, it's a gravy train, and it's why 92%+ vote D to keep the train going. If your pay comes from tax dollars, you should be reporting to a work location, your pay and benefits should be comparable to the free market/private sector, it's ridiculous that the American citizen is being robbed. And that doesn't even touch all of the senseless and useless positions that provide nothing of value for anyone.
The total compensation paid for federal civilian workforce is not as big as I thought and 60% of it is the Pentagon/Defense, Homeland security, Veterans affairs.....
Who ya gonna cut?
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Who ya gonna cut?
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The Federal Workforce
In 2022, the federal government employed about 2.3 million workers (not counting military personnel or employees of the Postal Service) across a wide variety of departments, agencies, and occupations. Those workers receive compensation in the form of wages and benefits, such as health insurance and pensions, at a total cost to the government of about $271 billion in fiscal year 2022. About 60 percent of that amount is spent on the three departments that employ the most workers: Defense, Veterans Affairs, and Homeland Security.
DGS49
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The "problem" with large-scale working from home is that it is nearly impossible separate the wheat from the chaff. Some employees are just as productive working from home but many are nearly non-functional. In a large bureaucracy like the Federal government, it is impossible for a supervisor to call out specific employees and tell them that, "YOU need to come into the office."
Most successful private companies have abandoned or nearly abandoned large-scale work from home. It is simply not as productive.
The Biden Administration's gambit to prevent Trump from calling the Feds back to work is much more insidious than the absurd pardon of his son - soon to be followed by the rest of his family.
We taxpayers are ENTITLED to know that the tax dollars we involuntarily provide are not pissed away to over-paid, under-worked government teat-suckers.
Most successful private companies have abandoned or nearly abandoned large-scale work from home. It is simply not as productive.
The Biden Administration's gambit to prevent Trump from calling the Feds back to work is much more insidious than the absurd pardon of his son - soon to be followed by the rest of his family.
We taxpayers are ENTITLED to know that the tax dollars we involuntarily provide are not pissed away to over-paid, under-worked government teat-suckers.
Zincwarrior
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Food inspectors don't inspect food at the office either.
I am so glad I am not on Twit and forced to get these daily.
I am so glad I am not on Twit and forced to get these daily.
DGS49
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Every large organization could cut 10% and nobody would notice any difference in their output, if the right 10% is trimmed. I experienced it many times working in the real world. Having worked for the Feds for five years, WHOLE AGENCIES could be eliminated and nobody would notice. A 25% cut would not be too severe, if done properly.
One of my neices is a retired nurse. For years she worked 3. 12 hour shifts but got paid for 40 hours. Big deal. Good for those who can get that.
Not necessarily true, I've had first hand experience at a higher level in 3 corporations, and in some situations keeping workforce low, hurts your money making operation in the private sector and the term, you have to spend money, to make money....comes to mind. Also in the private sector, if you have already done your downsizing, downsizing another 10% becomes near impossible.
But in general, I do agree with you.....10% cut, if analyzed and done in the right places, should be able to take place....
It's hard to compare private sector with public sector, though we try our hardest to do so, but one sector is in the business of making money and the other is a service, oriented at helping the people and most importantly defending and keeping the Nation secure, and safe stateside and abroad.
The federal govt has already downsized their workforce with benefits tremendously....by the movement of having the private sector, do the govt jobs....this movement of reducing the federal workforce through replacement in the private sector with contracts.... has been going on 2 or 3 decades.
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That 10% savings is only 27 billion, a long way to hit 2 trillion dollars....
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Aldo Raine
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Mr Natural
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If the job involves working at a computer all day, what difference does it make where the job is done?
Seems a lot of people in this thread are just being their usual petty selves or are Walmart associates or equivalent.
a. The person gets called back to the office where they can be closely supervised
or
b. The person gets fired.
Seems a lot of people in this thread are just being their usual petty selves or are Walmart associates or equivalent.
And if the job’s not getting done then
a. The person gets called back to the office where they can be closely supervised
or
b. The person gets fired.
SeaMajor7
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