Crepitus
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And here we have the heart of the problem. Vote with your dollars until Apple behaves in a way you approve of. Until then buy something more in line with your values.
Our survival by 2049 depends on our independence by tariffs like 25% on Apple and other companies!
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Nobody911
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lol. Trump's dreams could not come true. Everything has changed.At 82 years old I'll not see the year 2049.
But my granddaughter and other relatives may still be around when this might happen.
"Imagine waking up tomorrow and your phone has no signal. Your smart home isnāt working. Your Ring camera is offline. You get in your car, but your GPS wonāt route. Worse, every traffic light in town is out. Intersections are a mess of blaring horns and confusion. Sirens echo in the distance. You drive to an ATM, hoping to grab some cash. The screen flickers, then goes black. Itās not just your neighborhood. Itās not just your state. The entire nation has gone dark."
China has an off-switch for America, and we arenāt ready to deal with it.
China has developed asymmetric weapons known as assassinās maces that could cripple Americaās infrastructure, and Congress must act to strengthen Americaās digital backbone to preā¦thehill.comTrump threatens Apple with a 25% tariff if it doesnāt build iPhones in America
And I'm so in favor of it!
Shareholders who's main concern is today's value of shares are responsible indirectly for the independence of our future generations!
China still accounts for the majority of Apple iPhone production but the tech giant has sought to ramp up manufacturing in places like India and Vietnam across its product range.Apr 3, 2025
So Americans... you want to be free... INDEPENDENT... Trump's 25% tariff on Apple is a perfect example of how WE the consumers will be paying for our independence !
Come on folks... again by 2049 China will if we don't change our dependence shut America down!!!
The statement that "America's survival by 2049 depends on its independence by tariffs like 25% on Apple and other companies" is false as a broad claim, based on current economic understanding and expert analyses.Why this is false:
Tariffs and Economic Impact: Imposing a 25% tariff on Apple products or similar companies would likely increase costs for consumers and could disrupt supply chains. For example, President Trump recently threatened a 25% tariff on Apple iPhones if they are not manufactured in the U.S., but analysts warn that this could raise iPhone prices dramatically, potentially to around $3,500 per phone, which would be prohibitively expensive for most consumers 68910. Such tariffs do not guarantee economic independence or survival; instead, they risk inflationary effects and reduced competitiveness.
Economic Growth and Tariffs: Economic forecasts, such as those from Deloitte and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), suggest that modest increases in tariffs (e.g., adding 5 percentage points to average tariff rates) might have some fiscal impacts but are not decisive for the overall economic survival or growth of the U.S. economy. Growth projections for the U.S. economy in the near term remain positive but modest, with tariffs contributing only marginally to government revenues and potentially slowing trade 4.
Broader Economic Challenges: The long-term survival and prosperity of the U.S. depend on multiple factors beyond tariffs, including managing federal debt, addressing climate change impacts (which could reduce global economic output by 19% by 2049), technological innovation, and demographic changes 1237. Tariffs alone, especially punitive ones like 25% on major companies, are not a sustainable or sufficient strategy for economic independence or survival.
Trade and Manufacturing Realities: Apple and other tech companies have complex global supply chains. Forcing production to move entirely to the U.S. through tariffs is economically challenging and could backfire by increasing costs and reducing competitiveness. Apple has committed to significant U.S. investment ($500 billion), but this is a strategic economic development rather than a tariff-driven survival tactic 69.
Summary
America's economic survival by 2049 depends on a broad set of policies including fiscal responsibility, innovation, climate action, and global trade cooperation. While tariffs can be a tool for trade policy, relying on high tariffs like 25% on Apple products as a cornerstone for national survival is not supported by economic evidence and would likely cause more harm than good.
Therefore, the claim is false because tariffs at that level do not ensure economic independence or survival and could lead to negative economic consequences instead.
sources:
1. The Long-Term Budget Outlook: 2025 to 2055
2. New Study: Climate Change Could Reduce The World Economy 19% By 2049
3. New study calculates climate change's economic bite will hit about $38 trillion a year by 2049
4. United States Economic Forecast Q1 2025
5. https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2019-03/54918-Outlook-3.pdf
6. https://www.axios.com/2025/05/23/trump-tariff-apple-iphone
7. If not now, when? New estimates of the federal budget outlook
8. https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/23/economy/trump-threatens-tariff-apple
9. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/23/trump-tariff-apple-iphones-not-made-in-the-us.html
10. Trump threatens 25% tariff on Apple, other tech giants if they don't start making devices in America
AntonToo
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At 82 years old I'll not see the year 2049.
But my granddaughter and other relatives may still be around when this might happen.
"Imagine waking up tomorrow and your phone has no signal. Your smart home isnāt working. Your Ring camera is offline. You get in your car, but your GPS wonāt route. Worse, every traffic light in town is out. Intersections are a mess of blaring horns and confusion. Sirens echo in the distance. You drive to an ATM, hoping to grab some cash. The screen flickers, then goes black. Itās not just your neighborhood. Itās not just your state. The entire nation has gone dark."
China has an off-switch for America, and we arenāt ready to deal with it.
China has developed asymmetric weapons known as assassinās maces that could cripple Americaās infrastructure, and Congress must act to strengthen Americaās digital backbone to preā¦thehill.comTrump threatens Apple with a 25% tariff if it doesnāt build iPhones in America
And I'm so in favor of it!
Shareholders who's main concern is today's value of shares are responsible indirectly for the independence of our future generations!
China still accounts for the majority of Apple iPhone production but the tech giant has sought to ramp up manufacturing in places like India and Vietnam across its product range.Apr 3, 2025
So Americans... you want to be free... INDEPENDENT... Trump's 25% tariff on Apple is a perfect example of how WE the consumers will be paying for our independence !
Come on folks... again by 2049 China will if we don't change our dependence shut America down!!!
Dummy Apple will just pay 25% tarrif and make consumers pay for it untill Trump gets the fuck out of office.
Moving all production to America is a non-starter - would take a decade and analisys shows it would at least double iPhone prices.
AntonToo
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You didn't answer the question though - What are they?
healthmyths
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The ISSUE is NOT the cost of the tariffs to Americans!lol. Trump's dreams could not come true. Everything has changed.
Why this is false:
Tariffs and Economic Impact: Imposing a 25% tariff on Apple products or similar companies would likely increase costs for consumers and could disrupt supply chains. For example, President Trump recently threatened a 25% tariff on Apple iPhones if they are not manufactured in the U.S., but analysts warn that this could raise iPhone prices dramatically, potentially to around $3,500 per phone, which would be prohibitively expensive for most consumers 68910. Such tariffs do not guarantee economic independence or survival; instead, they risk inflationary effects and reduced competitiveness.
Economic Growth and Tariffs: Economic forecasts, such as those from Deloitte and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), suggest that modest increases in tariffs (e.g., adding 5 percentage points to average tariff rates) might have some fiscal impacts but are not decisive for the overall economic survival or growth of the U.S. economy. Growth projections for the U.S. economy in the near term remain positive but modest, with tariffs contributing only marginally to government revenues and potentially slowing trade 4.
Broader Economic Challenges: The long-term survival and prosperity of the U.S. depend on multiple factors beyond tariffs, including managing federal debt, addressing climate change impacts (which could reduce global economic output by 19% by 2049), technological innovation, and demographic changes 1237. Tariffs alone, especially punitive ones like 25% on major companies, are not a sustainable or sufficient strategy for economic independence or survival.
Trade and Manufacturing Realities: Apple and other tech companies have complex global supply chains. Forcing production to move entirely to the U.S. through tariffs is economically challenging and could backfire by increasing costs and reducing competitiveness. Apple has committed to significant U.S. investment ($500 billion), but this is a strategic economic development rather than a tariff-driven survival tactic 69.
Summary
America's economic survival by 2049 depends on a broad set of policies including fiscal responsibility, innovation, climate action, and global trade cooperation. While tariffs can be a tool for trade policy, relying on high tariffs like 25% on Apple products as a cornerstone for national survival is not supported by economic evidence and would likely cause more harm than good.
Therefore, the claim is false because tariffs at that level do not ensure economic independence or survival and could lead to negative economic consequences instead.
sources:
1. The Long-Term Budget Outlook: 2025 to 2055
2. New Study: Climate Change Could Reduce The World Economy 19% By 2049
3. New study calculates climate change's economic bite will hit about $38 trillion a year by 2049
4. United States Economic Forecast Q1 2025
5. https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2019-03/54918-Outlook-3.pdf
6. https://www.axios.com/2025/05/23/trump-tariff-apple-iphone
7. If not now, when? New estimates of the federal budget outlook
8. https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/23/economy/trump-threatens-tariff-apple
9. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/23/trump-tariff-apple-iphones-not-made-in-the-us.html
10. Trump threatens 25% tariff on Apple, other tech giants if they don't start making devices in America
The ISSUE is the gross independence on foreign countries THAT have CHARGED Tariffs on USA MADE products generally far higher than what the USA charged on their products.
FACT:
Foreign tariffs on US goods and services were often higher than US tariffs on foreign goods. The White House (.gov) For example, India and other countries levied significantly higher tariffs on specific products like passenger vehicles compared to the US. Many countries also had higher average MFN (Most Favored Nation) tariff rates than the USA.
Regulating Imports with a Reciprocal Tariff to Rectify Trade Practices that Contribute to Large and Persistent Annual United States Goods Trade Deficits
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency
www.whitehouse.gov
So consequently all the USA increases in TARIFFS, is just making it equal.
In case you don't understand that look at these tariffs that countries CHARGED USA!
Countries with high tariffs:
- China: China has implemented tariffs on US goods in response to tariffs imposed by the US, with a 34% rate on certain goods, according to Reuters.
- European Union (EU): The EU has also responded with tariffs on US goods, with some products facing a 20% tariff, reported by Al Jazeera.
- Vietnam: Vietnam has implemented a 46% tariff on some US goods
- Other Southeast Asian Countries: Countries like Laos and Cambodia are also facing high tariffs, ranging from 48% to 49%
- ndia: India has implemented tariffs on certain US goods.
- Japan: Japan has implemented a 24% tariff on some US goods.
- South Korea: South Korea has implemented a 26% tariff on some US goods
- This is not an exhaustive list, and there are many other countries with tariffs on US goods.
- Tariffs can change, and new tariffs may be imposed.
- The impact of tariffs can be complex, affecting both consumers and businesses
Tariffs in the second Trump administration - Wikipedia
So again... making the USA totally dependent on highly security products like microchips, boards, etc. that will
give especially China what they currently are doing... silent war against the Western World!
healthmyths
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Hmmm... where is Apple on this list and what other technology companies of consequence get these "billions"?
Which U.S. Companies Receive the Most Government Subsidies?
Government subsidies are nearing tens of billions for some companies. Hereās the ones which got the most taxpayer support.
www.visualcapitalist.com
Papageorgio
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I asked a follow up question that he never answered. I asked which time?
Zincwarrior
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Its not about Apple. Its about paying Trump off.
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Like how democrats attack Tesla?
AntonToo
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What are the "billions" subsidies for Apple?
What is the PURPOSE of forcing apple to manufacture all their phones in the USA as Trump is trying to do? Please explain the benefit to the united states citizens.
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Democrats HATE that because if Americans have good paying jobs they are not government dependents Dems can manipulate.
Your list of subsidies received is what State govts give these businesses in tax breaks, incentives, grants etc, to build the corporation's new factory in their state.....for the most part. Apple is not building and putting factories in the USA, so they would not be on this subsidy list.Hmmm... where is Apple on this list and what other technology companies of consequence get these "billions"?
View attachment 1114997Which U.S. Companies Receive the Most Government Subsidies?
Government subsidies are nearing tens of billions for some companies. Hereās the ones which got the most taxpayer support.
AntonToo
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Do Americans really need to subsidize low paying conveyor belt jobs in 5-10 years by paying way more for their cellphones starting today?
Trump got elected to address inflation. He is increasing prices instead.
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A few minimum wage jobs? So we can pay $3700 for the iPhone?
The monthly minimum wage for a factory worker in Beijing is $369 a MONTH. $339 a month in other cities like Shanghai.
So again, what is the benefit for the American citizens by forcing Apple to manufacture here? You will cut their unit sales by 70%, having to sell them at $3700...which cuts those minimum wage factory workers you claim is a benefit to all Americans too, with now manufacturing less of them.
Some things manufactured overseas could be brought home and the rise in price won't be as dramatic or unaffordable, but Apple iPhones isn't one of them imo.
Papageorgio
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Where did I say billions were paid for subsidies for just Apple? I said Apple and other companies get billions, can you not comprehend that, I donāt think any one company gets billions in subsidies every year.
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Why don't you just cut the bullshit, man up and simply admit that you don't know of any significant subsidies for Apple?
Can't stand stupid save-face games like that.
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