Our founding fathers were not conservative

[Agit8r]

Hey, genius, while you're analyzing the meanings in people's writings, perhaps you could give a quick once-over to my post and then explain to me how you came to the insulting and egregiously incorrect assumption that I 1) agree with Hamilton OR the dimwit I was responding to, or 2) have any desire for "the government to be able to do whatever I want it to do.

In future, please try to refrain from responding to people until you have at least SOME ******* clue what they actually said. Thank you so much in advance for your expected increase in English competence from this moment forward.

Such a lady. In the future, remember that Washington, Adams, Marshall, Pickering, and hundreds of others sided with Hamilton.

You make a very poor mini-me to Tea Party Samurai.

I really like and respect Washington, don't get me wrong. I think of him more as a jock type... you know ... a little slow.... intellectually... I picture him digesting about one out of every 15 sentences from Hamilton, and just telling him to get on with his schemes, with no clue as to what he consented to.

Adam's caught on to him and stood up to him after the damage was done. The Whiskey Rebellion, the Alien and Sedition Acts. Hamilton even undermined relations and negotiations with England by leaking sensitive information to them through Jay I believe, putting American Seamen at risk, and revealing our cards to the British. The perfect ending for him, had Burr not been such a good shot, would be him with a life sentence in a French Prison, being someone's *****. Speaking hypothetically of course.

Marshal got to play God with the new Powers he conspired with Hamilton to get. Hamilton probably handled allot of the Appointments of 2 Administrations, and had allot of control, and people owing him favors. I bet hundreds sided with him in his lust for power and control.

Hamilton is a quite enigmatic figure. At times appearing sinister, and at others principled. it is hard to be sure exactly what his various motivations might have been

Alexander Hamilton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Liability]

Everything I say is far "less stupid" than anything you can say, you retard.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...and no doubt you take medication for your delusions as well...

You appear to have gone off your meds. Those nice men -- with the warm white jacket for you that fits you so well you just have to hug yourself -- are your pals. Listen to them.

 

[Intense]

Such a lady. In the future, remember that Washington, Adams, Marshall, Pickering, and hundreds of others sided with Hamilton.

You make a very poor mini-me to Tea Party Samurai.

I really like and respect Washington, don't get me wrong. I think of him more as a jock type... you know ... a little slow.... intellectually... I picture him digesting about one out of every 15 sentences from Hamilton, and just telling him to get on with his schemes, with no clue as to what he consented to.

Adam's caught on to him and stood up to him after the damage was done. The Whiskey Rebellion, the Alien and Sedition Acts. Hamilton even undermined relations and negotiations with England by leaking sensitive information to them through Jay I believe, putting American Seamen at risk, and revealing our cards to the British. The perfect ending for him, had Burr not been such a good shot, would be him with a life sentence in a French Prison, being someone's *****. Speaking hypothetically of course.

Marshal got to play God with the new Powers he conspired with Hamilton to get. Hamilton probably handled allot of the Appointments of 2 Administrations, and had allot of control, and people owing him favors. I bet hundreds sided with him in his lust for power and control.

Hamilton is a quite enigmatic figure. At times appearing sinister, and at others principled. it is hard to be sure exactly what his various motivations might have been

Alexander Hamilton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For you, yes.

 

[Intense]

Madison was the Father of The Constitution.

Hamilton was the Father of Big Government.

 

[Agit8r]

"Hamilton was the Father of Big Government"

and American capitalism...

 

[Liability]

"Hamilton was the Father of Big Government"

and American capitalism...

Yes, of course. Before Hamilton there was no "capitalism" known anywhere in our land.

[/sarcasm]

 

[Affrayer]

I believe they explained it when they said - essentially - that rights already belonged to individuals, and thus did not need to be "granted" to them. They only needed to be protected from government infringement by placing strict boundaries on the government's power.

And yet when they wrote the body of the Constitution, they included NO such protection for individual rights.

 

[Liability]

I believe they explained it when they said - essentially - that rights already belonged to individuals, and thus did not need to be "granted" to them. They only needed to be protected from government infringement by placing strict boundaries on the government's power.

And yet when they wrote the body of the Constitution, they included NO such protection for individual rights.

Which explains, in part, why the States insisted on the Bill of Rights as a condition of approving the Constitution.

 

[Affrayer]

Funny thing. Unlike you, I don't cut and splice quotes, changing meaning and context. Unlike you I can debate without manipulating the conversation, or divert it by leading it up blind alleys.

And yet that's exactly what you did when you asked only about the content of the 14th amendment. Funny, that makes you either rather stupid or a liar. Which one is it?

In what way did they become mute?

No silly, moot. I'm leaning toward stupid...

Be specific.

Specific? Hell you are so far behind the eight ball I don't know where to begin.

You are a joke.

Just because I try and communicate with an imbecile doesn't make me a joke.

I gave you a break, allowing you to correct the gap in your argument, which you did in part, in a very half assed way.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...the only gap here is in your head.

We do understand...

We? Just how many of your personalities am I dealing with? So far I recognize Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

...that The Constitution as written and amended, is the Supreme Law of the Land, within It's Jurisdiction.

However the Constitution is limited in power and scope...see if you have enough brain cells left to figure that out.

Tell me something I don't know here.

Hell, that would take a life time to bring someone like yourself up to speed.

Can't you make a simple statement without dragging it in the mud? Is this TV wrestling you are confusing us here with? Do you suffer from premature Ejaculation? Hallucinations?

Can't answer the question can you...you seem to be spending all your time deflecting. Wouldn't your time be better spent learning something instead of farting your way through life?

The Second Amendment stands on It's own.

Clearly you're an ignoramus...

Perhaps there is something you actually know something about. It's time you recognize your limitations.

 

[Affrayer]

You tell me who won.

Again with the deflection...

They were published Articles, not a Debate.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Debate-Constitution-Antifederalist-Ratification-1787-February/dp/0940450429]"The Debate on the Constitution : Federalist and Antifederalist Speeches, Articles, and Letters During the Struggle over Ratification : Part One, September 1787-February 1788"[/ame]

Are you a registered ignoramus?

 

[Affrayer]

You appear to have gone off your meds.

Did you LSD wear off again?

 

[Affrayer]

Which explains, in part, why the States insisted on the Bill of Rights as a condition of approving the Constitution.

But the States weren't the ones insisting on the Bill of Rights you flatulent ignoramus.

 

[Intense]

Your arguments are disingenuous and you are an asshole about it to boot. Manipulating to get your way, is the only way you can win an argument, I can call you on so many points, but then I ask myself why? To what end? It's like arguing with a Sock Puppet, or a bot. Every level of the conversation sinks deeper into bullshit, that is really all you have to offer. You are a waste of time. I credit you with taking advantage of one typo, every other argument you make is a total fail. You are a waste of time. Even to Neg Rep you is a waste of energy. I'm just letting you know that I see who and what you are, no spin is going to hide that. I don't blame you so much as those that shaped you into the worthless piece of shit that you are, we are close to done here, just so you know where you stand with me, make no mistake, I get you, and I'm not at all impressed with what I see.

 

[Intense]

You tell me who won.

Again with the deflection...

They were published Articles, not a Debate.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Debate-Constitution-Antifederalist-Ratification-1787-February/dp/0940450429]"The Debate on the Constitution : Federalist and Antifederalist Speeches, Articles, and Letters During the Struggle over Ratification : Part One, September 1787-February 1788"[/ame]

Are you a registered ignoramus?

The Federalist Papers were Publications that Ran in News Papers. Again you fail. Again you are too dumb to see that.

 

[Intense]

That's a cop out. Either that or a poor emphasis on history in your studies.

Then can you tell us who won the Federalist Paper's debate?

You tell me who won. They were published Articles, not a Debate.

THE
DEBATES
IN THE SEVERAL
STATE CONVENTIONS
ON THE ADOPTION OF THE
FEDERAL CONSTITUTION
AS RECOMMENDED BY THE
GENERAL CONVENTION AT PHILADELPHIA
IN
1787
TOGETHER WITH THE
JOURNAL OF THE FEDERAL CONVENTION
LUTHER MARTIN'S LETTER
YATES MINUTES
CONGRESSIONAL OPINIONS


State Conventions on Ratification of Constitution

Then can you tell us who won the Federalist Paper's debate?

Again the Rodeo Clown deflects and accuses the victim of his bullshit of deflecting.

What the **** is the Federalist Papers Debate? The Constitutional Convention? Grow the **** up and stop trolling.

 

[Agit8r]

I really like and respect Washington, don't get me wrong. I think of him more as a jock type... you know ... a little slow.... intellectually... I picture him digesting about one out of every 15 sentences from Hamilton, and just telling him to get on with his schemes, with no clue as to what he consented to.

Adam's caught on to him and stood up to him after the damage was done. The Whiskey Rebellion, the Alien and Sedition Acts. Hamilton even undermined relations and negotiations with England by leaking sensitive information to them through Jay I believe, putting American Seamen at risk, and revealing our cards to the British. The perfect ending for him, had Burr not been such a good shot, would be him with a life sentence in a French Prison, being someone's *****. Speaking hypothetically of course.

Marshal got to play God with the new Powers he conspired with Hamilton to get. Hamilton probably handled allot of the Appointments of 2 Administrations, and had allot of control, and people owing him favors. I bet hundreds sided with him in his lust for power and control.

Hamilton is a quite enigmatic figure. At times appearing sinister, and at others principled. it is hard to be sure exactly what his various motivations might have been

Alexander Hamilton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For you, yes.

Jefferson defended his own extra-constitutional actions as being of necessity to protect America--that without the nation that the constitution protected, the constitution itself wouldn't matter. It seems altogether likely that Hamilton and Washington believed the same of the emoluments and the "terror of military force" that Madison speaks of. I'm not saying that he was right, but rather that this seems to be their logic.

 

[Intense]

Hamilton is a quite enigmatic figure. At times appearing sinister, and at others principled. it is hard to be sure exactly what his various motivations might have been

Alexander Hamilton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For you, yes.

Jefferson defended his own extra-constitutional actions as being of necessity to protect America--that without the nation that the constitution protected, the constitution itself wouldn't matter. It seems altogether likely that Hamilton and Washington believed the same of the emoluments and the "terror of military force" that Madison speaks of. I'm not saying that he was right, but rather that this seems to be their logic.

Washington had allot of weight on his shoulders, allot of expectation from everyone around him. I highly respect him. I just see Hamilton running circles around everyone, giving a false impression, many false impressions, and getting away with it, up until his last day, when it caught up with him. The War was a hard thing to survive. Funding the Federal Government wasn't all that easy under the Articles of Confederation either, I get it. Hamilton's problem was that for him, the end justified the means, any means, and that is not prudent, wise, or tactful.

He lays out his reasoning pretty well here. It triggers more than a few alarms.

Hamilton: The Constitutionality of the Bank of the United States, 1791

 

[Affrayer]

Your arguments are....

Superior to anything you have or will ever have to offer.

Which is why you keep crapping in your pants...

Have you no shame?

 

[Affrayer]

The Federalist Papers were Publications that Ran in News Papers.

And that was the debate format the framers of the Constitution chose.

If anything you proved one thing, you're an idiot.

 

[Affrayer]

Again the Rodeo Clown deflects...

So now you are referring to yourself as a rodeo clown...you do know that rodeo clowns have a great deal of integrity. Perhaps you would be better suited referring to yourself as a professional ass sniffer.

What the **** is the Federalist Papers Debate?

Don't worry your empty pointed head over it...