Our founding fathers were not conservative

[JakeStarkey]

Certain moronic states tried it in 1861, and they will never try it again, by Captain America!

 

[JakeStarkey]

silly boy every state I used had certain words in that can also be found in the U.S. Constitution and Delcaration of Independence. Such as ( Self-government,Natural rights) it means the same thing in the U.S. Constitution as it does for the states constitution

You could say Jesus Christ said it was so, and it still would not be so.

Show me where in federal law the states have any such power. They don't.

And they know the penalty: state death.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No state jake?

Section 2. Self-government. The people have the exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state. They may alter or abolish the constitution and form of government whenever they deem it necessary.
Montana Constitution, Article II, Section 2. Self-government.

TITLE 97- WYOMING CONSTITUTION



97-1-001. Power inherent in the people.



All power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety and happiness; for the advancement of these ends they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper.
Wyoming Constitution

Constitution of Oregon - 2009 Edition

Section 1. Natural rights inherent in people. We declare that all men, when they form a social compact are equal in right: that all power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness; and they have at all times a right to alter, reform, or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper
http://www.leg.state.or.us/orcons/orcons.html

Maine
Section 2. Power inherent in people. All power is inherent in the people; all free governments are founded in their authority and instituted for their benefit; they have therefore an unalienable and indefeasible right to institute government, and to alter, reform, or totally change the same, when their safety and happiness require it.
Constitution OF Maine

Ohio
§ 1.02 Right to alter, reform, or abolish government, and repeal special privileges (1851)
[ View Article Table of Contents ]

All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for their equal protection and benefit, and they have the right to alter, reform, or abolish the same, whenever they may deem it necessary; and no special privileges or immunities shall ever be granted, that may not be altered, revoked, or repealed by the general assembly.
Constitution Online

New Hampshire
[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

June 2, 1784


NH.gov - The Official Web Site of New Hampshire State Government - State Constitution, Bill of Rights

Do I need to continue junior?

You've lost. Show me where state law trumps national supremacy. You could pass a law saying you are a woman, but you are not.

OK LET'S START WITH
Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Next
Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.



Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No reply, bigebnc? Very smart. Good night, and, yes, Virginia, bigrebnc pwnd himself once again. He is a good mate for Righteous1.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

silly boy every state I used had certain words in that can also be found in the U.S. Constitution and Delcaration of Independence. Such as ( Self-government,Natural rights) it means the same thing in the U.S. Constitution as it does for the states constitution

You could say Jesus Christ said it was so, and it still would not be so.

Show me where in federal law the states have any such power. They don't.

And they know the penalty: state death.

Article 10. Right of Revolution
New Hampshire is one of four states, along with Kentucky, Maryland and Texas, which provide for a "Right of Revolution" in their state constitutions. The Right of Revolution is a right dating back to the Revolutionary War, and is held in high regard in New Hampshire by members of the libertarian Free State Project. Part I., Article 10 reads:

“ Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.
New Hampshire Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

[<snip> does not apply

Yawn. You are not even a high school graduate much less a constitutional scholar. You are such a loser. Buts, kiddo, I tells u whut, homey: go rebel against the feds, claim the Tenth, and see how it goes. When you get out of jail, come give us a report.

Nighty night, sweet cheeks. Say hello to your boyfriend for all of us.

 

[JakeStarkey]

silly boy every state I used had certain words in that can also be found in the U.S. Constitution and Delcaration of Independence. Such as ( Self-government,Natural rights) it means the same thing in the U.S. Constitution as it does for the states constitution

You could say Jesus Christ said it was so, and it still would not be so.

Show me where in federal law the states have any such power. They don't.

And they know the penalty: state death.

Article 10. Right of Revolution
New Hampshire is one of four states, along with Kentucky, Maryland and Texas, which provide for a "Right of Revolution" in their state constitutions. The Right of Revolution is a right dating back to the Revolutionary War, and is held in high regard in New Hampshire by members of the libertarian Free State Project. Part I., Article 10 reads:

“ Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.
New Hampshire Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Already settled, honey. It's over. You lost.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No reply, bigebnc? Very smart. Good night, and, yes, Virginia, bigrebnc pwnd himself once again. He is a good mate for Righteous1.

you make Ray Charles look like he had 20/20 vision

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You could say Jesus Christ said it was so, and it still would not be so.

Show me where in federal law the states have any such power. They don't.

And they know the penalty: state death.

Article 10. Right of Revolution
New Hampshire is one of four states, along with Kentucky, Maryland and Texas, which provide for a "Right of Revolution" in their state constitutions. The Right of Revolution is a right dating back to the Revolutionary War, and is held in high regard in New Hampshire by members of the libertarian Free State Project. Part I., Article 10 reads:

“ Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.
New Hampshire Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Already settled, honey. It's over. You lost.

prove it then junior. I've shot you down so many time you are becoming pathetic

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Constitution does not provide any measure for secession; therefore, secession is unconstitutional.

More importantly, it doesnt prohibit it.
Amendment X takes over; secession is not prohibited and thus a right reserved to the states.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You are utterly wrong on both counts. There isn't even a gray area about this. The Constitution is pretty clear. And it's supreme.

The constitution only applies to those that are party to it.
After a state seceeeds, the constiution no long applies to it.

That being the case, nothing I said could possibly be wrong:
-Secession came months before anything resembling rebellion. Fact
-Thus, secession in no way necessitates an insurrection or rebellion. Fact
-There is no constitutional requirement for a state to ask to leave the union. Fact
-There is no constitutional prohibition agianst a state leafing the union. Fact
-There is no Constitutional authority granted to the givernment to prohbibit a state from seceeding. Fact.

Disagree? Cite the Constitution.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They had to accept the 13th and 14th Amendments, kiss the federal government's ass, and were allowed back in the union.

How can the Federal government constitutionally force a state to ratify an amendment?

 

[M14 Shooter]

They had to accept the 13th and 14th Amendments, kiss the federal government's ass, and were allowed back in the union.

How can the Federal government constitutionally force a state - or anyone else - to ratify an amendment?
And, how could they be 'allowed back in the union', unless their secssion was valid?

 

[mdn2000]

You opened with the comment, "To equate slavery as worst than feudalism is to show complete ignorance and in the context of this thread its purpose is politics. Anarchist and Marxist repeat this premise to portray the USA as a nation not worthy of being."

Your premise is false in the context of the discussion.

**** you if you don't like being called on it.

First off, the statement is not a premise but fact. Second that you are so quick to run off with extreme insults with vulgar language shows you must have your tongue licking the fecal matter from chomsky's asshole, how filth like you can exist outside of a cesspool is an example of the imperfection of man as well as the depravity of intellect that has plagued society through the ages. Your ideas are weak and cannot stand up to the strength of our founding, your ideas can only be posted anonymous on a message board or said in the secret of a septic tank.

I will wipe you from the bottom of my boots, for I feel like I just stepped in dog shit.

Again no premise and I must reiterate for Jakey here has done everything but engage in a discussion of what I stated.

Yes to equate slavery as worst than feudalism is a demonstration of how little Jakeyfool knows of history. Feudalism is Kings and Queens, Slavery is not a type of monarchy or government, that is why you cannot compare the two, it is ignorant to do so, had Jakey stated Marxism murdered more innocent people than Feudalism that is a comparison of systems of governments. That is an apt comparison.

Slavery is what it is, people put into bondage and forced to serve. Slavery happened under Feudalism, Slavery happened under Dictatorships, Slavery happened under Democracies.

I have heard and spoken with people who are Marxist, I have spoken to those who only parrot Chomsky, one thing Chomsky/Anarchist/States is exactly what Jakey stated here.

My comment is clear and factual. I specifically stated who I was speaking of, Anarchist and Marxist. Jakey did a surgical cut and paste to quote me, Jakey left much I said out and decided to include my quote below when attacking, demeaning, and attempted to misconstrue what I stated, Jakey's first attack quoted just my name and left my facts out of his post, Jakey states he is smart and knowledgeable, clear and concise so I take Jakey for his word. Jakey took extreme offense to MDN stating what is fact. Jakey is defending Marxist and Anarchist by attacking me, by calling me a racist.

Anarchist and Marxist repeat this premise to portray the USA as a nation not worthy of being.

I am married to a Negro-Portuguese woman, I am conservative, I am white, I am middle aged, my children are mixed race. It is obvious my children will one day be confronted by a person that is a bigot as Jakey is. What do I teach them, what do I tell them, I cannot tell them to simply ignore Jakey, bigots, Anarchist, and Marxist are guilty of some of the most horrific crimes against humanity. I have challenged Jakey to explain his post, three times, Jakey refused to edit or modify his post, further Jakey just Private Messaged me with a warning.

So what do I tell my children about the type of bigotry and what I can only see as hate, what do I tell my mixed race children when a bigot such as jakey calls their father a racist.

I unfortunately have had the pleasure of being confronted by many bullies, for some reason in High School I got picked on and pushed around, I learned early on you cannot run from bullies, they will find you one day, thus you must confront them in front of your friends and if front of their friends, to run from a bully emboldens a bully and put myself in dangerous situations I always managed to escape, dangerous as in the position of physically fight two people with more awaiting the outcome, times like that I took my beating.

So one must confront the hate when hateful people push you around.

In school I was the tall, skinny, 120 lb weakling (today I am 6'2" at 200lbs), in the ninth grade the class bully from the fooball team started pushing me around and broke a chain on my neck, I bit my tongue and said, "you sucker", that was it, he pushed me physically as I tried to talk my way out, he pushed me again and rubbed his clenched fist under my chin, that was it, the fight was on, I hit the bully hard and furious and broke his nose in three places, not bad for a 120 lb weakling.

So now I have a bully hear on the boards, Jakey called me a racist and continues to demean and impugn me, when challenged to clarify his bigotry Jakey acts as a bully and warns me in private message.

What do I tell my children, I will teach them to be men, to stand up to the bullies and bigots, to be wary, to be prepared, that people such as this are very dangerous.

I will teach them the history of the KKK, the history of the murders committed by Anarchists, they will learn the death and destruction brought upon the world my Marxism, Fascism and the Nazis.

I thank Jake for reminding me of the ugliness of human nature.

JakeyStark; I will add MDN to your group. I am thrilled to see you racists and America haters exposed for what you are.

Jakey, did you miss my post or are you a coward as well as a bully.

 

[mdn2000]

How many times do I have to tell you "I DO NOT CARE IF ANYONE SUPPORTS ME"

I am sure that Hitler, a fellow racist and sexist and homophobe (a latent homosexual also), and you have much in common. Kid, no one cares what you think. Your beliefs are despicable, as is your character. So stop your whining and accept your pariah status here.

I know you are running as hard as you can from facing yourself, but eventually you will. It is a fact of life that you will not escape.

Jakey, your such a stupid ass, you wrote this as Hitler being a fellow of you, read it.

I am sure that Hitler, a fellow racist and sexist and homophobe (a latent homosexual also),

Wow, the biggest Freudian slip I have ever seen, Jakey's fellows. They in that there room with you Jakey, or are you to busy to answer.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Constitution does not provide any measure for secession; therefore, secession is unconstitutional.

More importantly, it doesnt prohibit it.
Amendment X takes over; secession is not prohibited and thus a right reserved to the states.

Shooter I have explain that to jake a doizen differant ways, it's his desire to remain stupid.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

First off, the statement is not a premise but fact. Second that you are so quick to run off with extreme insults with vulgar language shows you must have your tongue licking the fecal matter from chomsky's asshole, how filth like you can exist outside of a cesspool is an example of the imperfection of man as well as the depravity of intellect that has plagued society through the ages. Your ideas are weak and cannot stand up to the strength of our founding, your ideas can only be posted anonymous on a message board or said in the secret of a septic tank.

I will wipe you from the bottom of my boots, for I feel like I just stepped in dog shit.

Again no premise and I must reiterate for Jakey here has done everything but engage in a discussion of what I stated.

Yes to equate slavery as worst than feudalism is a demonstration of how little Jakeyfool knows of history. Feudalism is Kings and Queens, Slavery is not a type of monarchy or government, that is why you cannot compare the two, it is ignorant to do so, had Jakey stated Marxism murdered more innocent people than Feudalism that is a comparison of systems of governments. That is an apt comparison.

Slavery is what it is, people put into bondage and forced to serve. Slavery happened under Feudalism, Slavery happened under Dictatorships, Slavery happened under Democracies.

I have heard and spoken with people who are Marxist, I have spoken to those who only parrot Chomsky, one thing Chomsky/Anarchist/States is exactly what Jakey stated here.

My comment is clear and factual. I specifically stated who I was speaking of, Anarchist and Marxist. Jakey did a surgical cut and paste to quote me, Jakey left much I said out and decided to include my quote below when attacking, demeaning, and attempted to misconstrue what I stated, Jakey's first attack quoted just my name and left my facts out of his post, Jakey states he is smart and knowledgeable, clear and concise so I take Jakey for his word. Jakey took extreme offense to MDN stating what is fact. Jakey is defending Marxist and Anarchist by attacking me, by calling me a racist.



I am married to a Negro-Portuguese woman, I am conservative, I am white, I am middle aged, my children are mixed race. It is obvious my children will one day be confronted by a person that is a bigot as Jakey is. What do I teach them, what do I tell them, I cannot tell them to simply ignore Jakey, bigots, Anarchist, and Marxist are guilty of some of the most horrific crimes against humanity. I have challenged Jakey to explain his post, three times, Jakey refused to edit or modify his post, further Jakey just Private Messaged me with a warning.

So what do I tell my children about the type of bigotry and what I can only see as hate, what do I tell my mixed race children when a bigot such as jakey calls their father a racist.

I unfortunately have had the pleasure of being confronted by many bullies, for some reason in High School I got picked on and pushed around, I learned early on you cannot run from bullies, they will find you one day, thus you must confront them in front of your friends and if front of their friends, to run from a bully emboldens a bully and put myself in dangerous situations I always managed to escape, dangerous as in the position of physically fight two people with more awaiting the outcome, times like that I took my beating.

So one must confront the hate when hateful people push you around.

In school I was the tall, skinny, 120 lb weakling (today I am 6'2" at 200lbs), in the ninth grade the class bully from the fooball team started pushing me around and broke a chain on my neck, I bit my tongue and said, "you sucker", that was it, he pushed me physically as I tried to talk my way out, he pushed me again and rubbed his clenched fist under my chin, that was it, the fight was on, I hit the bully hard and furious and broke his nose in three places, not bad for a 120 lb weakling.

So now I have a bully hear on the boards, Jakey called me a racist and continues to demean and impugn me, when challenged to clarify his bigotry Jakey acts as a bully and warns me in private message.

What do I tell my children, I will teach them to be men, to stand up to the bullies and bigots, to be wary, to be prepared, that people such as this are very dangerous.

I will teach them the history of the KKK, the history of the murders committed by Anarchists, they will learn the death and destruction brought upon the world my Marxism, Fascism and the Nazis.

I thank Jake for reminding me of the ugliness of human nature.

JakeyStark; I will add MDN to your group. I am thrilled to see you racists and America haters exposed for what you are.

Jakey, did you miss my post or are you a coward as well as a bully.

He's not going to respond

 

[teapartysamurai]

there, I said it. Feel free to prove me wrong with empirical fact. go on

Okay, I'm coming in late because it's Christmas and I'm busy, but, I see everyone has made the mistake of accepting the flawed premise.

Sorry, that's where conservatives always go wrong. They accept the premise and think they have to argue from that stand point. Wrong.

Agit8r, just because you say it, doesn't make it so.

Instead of you taking the Dan Rather stand, "well you haven't proved otherwise" YOU need to back up YOUR argument.

So, let's see YOUR arguments proving your premise and we go from there.

Otherwise, you have simply put forth a premise you cannot support and it falls flat right there.

 

[pete]

there, I said it. Feel free to prove me wrong with empirical fact. go on

They obviously weren't conservative. They were revolutionaries, which makes them radicals.

hmmmm ... so every black, mexican, gay, woman, and .... etc are all radicals.

 

[JakeStarkey]

First off, the statement is not a premise but fact. Second that you are so quick to run off with extreme insults with vulgar language shows you must have your tongue licking the fecal matter from chomsky's asshole, how filth like you can exist outside of a cesspool is an example of the imperfection of man as well as the depravity of intellect that has plagued society through the ages. Your ideas are weak and cannot stand up to the strength of our founding, your ideas can only be posted anonymous on a message board or said in the secret of a septic tank.

I will wipe you from the bottom of my boots, for I feel like I just stepped in dog shit.

Again no premise and I must reiterate for Jakey here has done everything but engage in a discussion of what I stated.

Yes to equate slavery as worst than feudalism is a demonstration of how little Jakeyfool knows of history. Feudalism is Kings and Queens, Slavery is not a type of monarchy or government, that is why you cannot compare the two, it is ignorant to do so, had Jakey stated Marxism murdered more innocent people than Feudalism that is a comparison of systems of governments. That is an apt comparison.

Slavery is what it is, people put into bondage and forced to serve. Slavery happened under Feudalism, Slavery happened under Dictatorships, Slavery happened under Democracies.

I have heard and spoken with people who are Marxist, I have spoken to those who only parrot Chomsky, one thing Chomsky/Anarchist/States is exactly what Jakey stated here.

My comment is clear and factual. I specifically stated who I was speaking of, Anarchist and Marxist. Jakey did a surgical cut and paste to quote me, Jakey left much I said out and decided to include my quote below when attacking, demeaning, and attempted to misconstrue what I stated, Jakey's first attack quoted just my name and left my facts out of his post, Jakey states he is smart and knowledgeable, clear and concise so I take Jakey for his word. Jakey took extreme offense to MDN stating what is fact. Jakey is defending Marxist and Anarchist by attacking me, by calling me a racist.



I am married to a Negro-Portuguese woman, I am conservative, I am white, I am middle aged, my children are mixed race. It is obvious my children will one day be confronted by a person that is a bigot as Jakey is. What do I teach them, what do I tell them, I cannot tell them to simply ignore Jakey, bigots, Anarchist, and Marxist are guilty of some of the most horrific crimes against humanity. I have challenged Jakey to explain his post, three times, Jakey refused to edit or modify his post, further Jakey just Private Messaged me with a warning.

So what do I tell my children about the type of bigotry and what I can only see as hate, what do I tell my mixed race children when a bigot such as jakey calls their father a racist.

I unfortunately have had the pleasure of being confronted by many bullies, for some reason in High School I got picked on and pushed around, I learned early on you cannot run from bullies, they will find you one day, thus you must confront them in front of your friends and if front of their friends, to run from a bully emboldens a bully and put myself in dangerous situations I always managed to escape, dangerous as in the position of physically fight two people with more awaiting the outcome, times like that I took my beating.

So one must confront the hate when hateful people push you around.

In school I was the tall, skinny, 120 lb weakling (today I am 6'2" at 200lbs), in the ninth grade the class bully from the fooball team started pushing me around and broke a chain on my neck, I bit my tongue and said, "you sucker", that was it, he pushed me physically as I tried to talk my way out, he pushed me again and rubbed his clenched fist under my chin, that was it, the fight was on, I hit the bully hard and furious and broke his nose in three places, not bad for a 120 lb weakling.

So now I have a bully hear on the boards, Jakey called me a racist and continues to demean and impugn me, when challenged to clarify his bigotry Jakey acts as a bully and warns me in private message.

What do I tell my children, I will teach them to be men, to stand up to the bullies and bigots, to be wary, to be prepared, that people such as this are very dangerous.

I will teach them the history of the KKK, the history of the murders committed by Anarchists, they will learn the death and destruction brought upon the world my Marxism, Fascism and the Nazis.

I thank Jake for reminding me of the ugliness of human nature.

JakeyStark; I will add MDN to your group. I am thrilled to see you racists and America haters exposed for what you are.

Jakey, did you miss my post or are you a coward as well as a bully.

Bub, you falsely imputed certain belief and behavior to me, and I immediately and forcefully corrected your actions. I always will do so. All of the material above does not excuse your bad behavior.

Don't like it, ignore me.