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I think that people like you are just too damned ignorant and stupid to understand the economics of agriculture in an area of low rainfall.Like the rest of the country, Oregon is sick of having policies determined by the cities.
"...big city lawmakers passing restrictive environmental and economic laws are hurting farmers, hunters and ranchers.
"Smith says to look at where the power lies.
"Keep in mind that 43 of the 60 legislators in this building come from Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas County," he said. "It makes it difficult for a small population of Oregonians to have influence on major policy."
""Our citizens are hurting," Smith said to KATU's Chris Liedle. "I think there are folks back home that have a level of frustration both with state government and with the federal government."
"To start the discussion, Parsons emailed every state legislator in all three states, contacted newspapers in the area and started a forum on Yahoo Groups titled "Oregon and Washington Joining Idaho" to discuss logistics like what would happen with assets like state prisons and universities in counties that voted to join Idaho.
"We want a voice," Parsons said. "Give us our voice and we'll take our lumps, if that is what it comes to."
Ideally, Parsons says it would be the county's decision to join Idaho or stay with its current state.
"If people in Malheur County say we want to be a part of Idaho, then I think the rest of Oregon should say, go for it," he exclaimed. "This could theoretically go all the way across the state."
He's reading Malheur County all wrong, though. That place has been taken over by communists and pigs. So let them stay with Bend and Eugene. They deserve each other.
Lawmaker to pitch idea to join eastern parts of Oregon, Washington with Idaho
I think the goal is for the farmers to go out of business. That way they can import produce from China.
The take over started back when they decided control the food control the people. Yes, they do fully intend on wiping out every family owned and operated farm that they can and its not just China.Like the rest of the country, Oregon is sick of having policies determined by the cities.
"...big city lawmakers passing restrictive environmental and economic laws are hurting farmers, hunters and ranchers.
"Smith says to look at where the power lies.
"Keep in mind that 43 of the 60 legislators in this building come from Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas County," he said. "It makes it difficult for a small population of Oregonians to have influence on major policy."
""Our citizens are hurting," Smith said to KATU's Chris Liedle. "I think there are folks back home that have a level of frustration both with state government and with the federal government."
"To start the discussion, Parsons emailed every state legislator in all three states, contacted newspapers in the area and started a forum on Yahoo Groups titled "Oregon and Washington Joining Idaho" to discuss logistics like what would happen with assets like state prisons and universities in counties that voted to join Idaho.
"We want a voice," Parsons said. "Give us our voice and we'll take our lumps, if that is what it comes to."
Ideally, Parsons says it would be the county's decision to join Idaho or stay with its current state.
"If people in Malheur County say we want to be a part of Idaho, then I think the rest of Oregon should say, go for it," he exclaimed. "This could theoretically go all the way across the state."
He's reading Malheur County all wrong, though. That place has been taken over by communists and pigs. So let them stay with Bend and Eugene. They deserve each other.
Lawmaker to pitch idea to join eastern parts of Oregon, Washington with Idaho
I think the goal is for the farmers to go out of business. That way they can import produce from China.
LOL Just like all the videos and recorders are lying when they record the senile old orange clown telling more of his silly lies. Finicum had numerous chance to surrender peacefully like the Bundies, he choose suicide by cop instead. Dumb ass clown.He grabbed his side when they shot him dickwad. The video and recorders are lying. He was murder and you have obviously showed again your true colors. Piss off.He had his hand inside the coat where a gun was. He disobeyed orders numerous times that the police gave him. He got what he well deserved.He wasn't pulling a gun on anyone you little lying murderous demon.Lavoy Finicum was shot like the dog he was. Try to pull a gun on a police officer, and you will get the same. Really, what they should have done with those miscreants on the Malhuer Refuge is sent in the National Guard with tanks and machine guns, given them one chance to surrender, then opened up if the surrender was not immediate. That is probably what will happen if something like that is tried again.Sounds like he's from New Jersey. There were a lot of East Coasters calling for the patriots to just be shot and get it over with when LaVoy Finicum was shot like a dog. I got pretty pissy with a friend of a friend who was some twit professor at a college on the East Coast who called out publicly to just shoot them. Needless to say she got very quiet and disappeared after my little outburst of what should be done to people like her.Well Alaska isn't a good example at all because the majority of our rural folks don't use roads, they use airplanes.
However, it's actually cheaper to build a road in a rural area than an urban. The highway agency estimates a 2 lane undivided road carries a price tag of $2-3M per mile of new road in rural areas and $6M per mile in urban areas.
If we were to just as an example use Alaska property tax as a benchmark; the cheapest property tax in the state is roughly $650 a year on a 200kish home. (In anchorage it would be like $3.6k on the same home, mat su valley is $2.5k on the same home) That doesn't count muni gas taxes, sales taxes, etc. It's easily conceivable when adding up the resources that a small city could in fact afford to put in a road or bridge or power plant (and I know that for a fact because our bush towns do it often without much help from the state and typically zero help from the feds [who only maintain the 1.4k miles of hwy])
I don't think you know what you're talking about rightwinger
Link??The take over started back when they decided control the food control the people. Yes, they do fully intend on wiping out every family owned and operated farm that they can and its not just China.Like the rest of the country, Oregon is sick of having policies determined by the cities.
"...big city lawmakers passing restrictive environmental and economic laws are hurting farmers, hunters and ranchers.
"Smith says to look at where the power lies.
"Keep in mind that 43 of the 60 legislators in this building come from Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas County," he said. "It makes it difficult for a small population of Oregonians to have influence on major policy."
""Our citizens are hurting," Smith said to KATU's Chris Liedle. "I think there are folks back home that have a level of frustration both with state government and with the federal government."
"To start the discussion, Parsons emailed every state legislator in all three states, contacted newspapers in the area and started a forum on Yahoo Groups titled "Oregon and Washington Joining Idaho" to discuss logistics like what would happen with assets like state prisons and universities in counties that voted to join Idaho.
"We want a voice," Parsons said. "Give us our voice and we'll take our lumps, if that is what it comes to."
Ideally, Parsons says it would be the county's decision to join Idaho or stay with its current state.
"If people in Malheur County say we want to be a part of Idaho, then I think the rest of Oregon should say, go for it," he exclaimed. "This could theoretically go all the way across the state."
He's reading Malheur County all wrong, though. That place has been taken over by communists and pigs. So let them stay with Bend and Eugene. They deserve each other.
Lawmaker to pitch idea to join eastern parts of Oregon, Washington with Idaho
I think the goal is for the farmers to go out of business. That way they can import produce from China.
I think in certain communities it is illegal to have your own garden at home if you are growing food.
You think that the amount they pay would even pay the upkeep on the existing infrastructure? Let alone build more. There are just not that many people there, and most there have very low incomes compared to west side.You don't think farmers and ranchers pay property tax? Or sales tax? Or state tax? Or business tax? Or gas tax?
LOL Just like all the videos and recorders are lying when they record the senile old orange clown telling more of his silly lies. Finicum had numerous chance to surrender peacefully like the Bundies, he choose suicide by cop instead. Dumb ass clown.He grabbed his side when they shot him dickwad. The video and recorders are lying. He was murder and you have obviously showed again your true colors. Piss off.He had his hand inside the coat where a gun was. He disobeyed orders numerous times that the police gave him. He got what he well deserved.He wasn't pulling a gun on anyone you little lying murderous demon.Lavoy Finicum was shot like the dog he was. Try to pull a gun on a police officer, and you will get the same. Really, what they should have done with those miscreants on the Malhuer Refuge is sent in the National Guard with tanks and machine guns, given them one chance to surrender, then opened up if the surrender was not immediate. That is probably what will happen if something like that is tried again.Sounds like he's from New Jersey. There were a lot of East Coasters calling for the patriots to just be shot and get it over with when LaVoy Finicum was shot like a dog. I got pretty pissy with a friend of a friend who was some twit professor at a college on the East Coast who called out publicly to just shoot them. Needless to say she got very quiet and disappeared after my little outburst of what should be done to people like her.
Link??The take over started back when they decided control the food control the people. Yes, they do fully intend on wiping out every family owned and operated farm that they can and its not just China.Like the rest of the country, Oregon is sick of having policies determined by the cities.
"...big city lawmakers passing restrictive environmental and economic laws are hurting farmers, hunters and ranchers.
"Smith says to look at where the power lies.
"Keep in mind that 43 of the 60 legislators in this building come from Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas County," he said. "It makes it difficult for a small population of Oregonians to have influence on major policy."
""Our citizens are hurting," Smith said to KATU's Chris Liedle. "I think there are folks back home that have a level of frustration both with state government and with the federal government."
"To start the discussion, Parsons emailed every state legislator in all three states, contacted newspapers in the area and started a forum on Yahoo Groups titled "Oregon and Washington Joining Idaho" to discuss logistics like what would happen with assets like state prisons and universities in counties that voted to join Idaho.
"We want a voice," Parsons said. "Give us our voice and we'll take our lumps, if that is what it comes to."
Ideally, Parsons says it would be the county's decision to join Idaho or stay with its current state.
"If people in Malheur County say we want to be a part of Idaho, then I think the rest of Oregon should say, go for it," he exclaimed. "This could theoretically go all the way across the state."
He's reading Malheur County all wrong, though. That place has been taken over by communists and pigs. So let them stay with Bend and Eugene. They deserve each other.
Lawmaker to pitch idea to join eastern parts of Oregon, Washington with Idaho
I think the goal is for the farmers to go out of business. That way they can import produce from China.
I think in certain communities it is illegal to have your own garden at home if you are growing food.
Let me see here what you are saying. Seems to be that you went for a handout, and the city people did not give it to you, so you are bitching like hell. What happened to the meme that you rural people could do it all by yourselves? Here you are crying about not getting a handout from the people in Anchorage.Sounds like he's from New Jersey. There were a lot of East Coasters calling for the patriots to just be shot and get it over with when LaVoy Finicum was shot like a dog. I got pretty pissy with a friend of a friend who was some twit professor at a college on the East Coast who called out publicly to just shoot them. Needless to say she got very quiet and disappeared after my little outburst of what should be done to people like her.Well Alaska isn't a good example at all because the majority of our rural folks don't use roads, they use airplanes.
However, it's actually cheaper to build a road in a rural area than an urban. The highway agency estimates a 2 lane undivided road carries a price tag of $2-3M per mile of new road in rural areas and $6M per mile in urban areas.
If we were to just as an example use Alaska property tax as a benchmark; the cheapest property tax in the state is roughly $650 a year on a 200kish home. (In anchorage it would be like $3.6k on the same home, mat su valley is $2.5k on the same home) That doesn't count muni gas taxes, sales taxes, etc. It's easily conceivable when adding up the resources that a small city could in fact afford to put in a road or bridge or power plant (and I know that for a fact because our bush towns do it often without much help from the state and typically zero help from the feds [who only maintain the 1.4k miles of hwy])
I don't think you know what you're talking about rightwinger
I really dislike the arrogant attitudes of city folk, they shit all over my city after annexing us (against our will) It took us fucking 20 years to get a second HS built and we needed it really bad but Anchorage always out voted us even though we pay a fuck ton more property taxes than they do. They gave us one fucking fire house, two trucks. We're a huge sprawl though so the trucks can't even hope to cover the area... We actually had to pay for our own fire protection even though we pay taxes to pay for it (we have at least two fully donation paid fire departments - some jackass just wrecked one of our trucks too) Often feels like the only thing we get out of Anchorage is decent police protection - and that's mostly cause they live out here heh
Ask Ravi about the Orange trees in Florida.The take over started back when they decided control the food control the people. Yes, they do fully intend on wiping out every family owned and operated farm that they can and its not just China.Like the rest of the country, Oregon is sick of having policies determined by the cities.
"...big city lawmakers passing restrictive environmental and economic laws are hurting farmers, hunters and ranchers.
"Smith says to look at where the power lies.
"Keep in mind that 43 of the 60 legislators in this building come from Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas County," he said. "It makes it difficult for a small population of Oregonians to have influence on major policy."
""Our citizens are hurting," Smith said to KATU's Chris Liedle. "I think there are folks back home that have a level of frustration both with state government and with the federal government."
"To start the discussion, Parsons emailed every state legislator in all three states, contacted newspapers in the area and started a forum on Yahoo Groups titled "Oregon and Washington Joining Idaho" to discuss logistics like what would happen with assets like state prisons and universities in counties that voted to join Idaho.
"We want a voice," Parsons said. "Give us our voice and we'll take our lumps, if that is what it comes to."
Ideally, Parsons says it would be the county's decision to join Idaho or stay with its current state.
"If people in Malheur County say we want to be a part of Idaho, then I think the rest of Oregon should say, go for it," he exclaimed. "This could theoretically go all the way across the state."
He's reading Malheur County all wrong, though. That place has been taken over by communists and pigs. So let them stay with Bend and Eugene. They deserve each other.
Lawmaker to pitch idea to join eastern parts of Oregon, Washington with Idaho
I think the goal is for the farmers to go out of business. That way they can import produce from China.
I think in certain communities it is illegal to have your own garden at home if you are growing food.
Sheesh. Most of the energy there is generated by the big dams on the Colombia, which were paid for by the Federal government. The primary energy being generated within the rural counties comes from windmills, which you 'Conservatives' oppose. And those windmills have proven to be a Godsend to many farmers and ranchers there, as the rent from them has freed them from the boom-bust cycle that is farming in dry country.All energy is made in the city too don't ya' know. Those lines across private property going through the countryside and all don't really count.Ah yes, those damned people in government, denying you the opportunity to dump the sewage from your town or house directly into the local river or stream. Dictating that you children achieve a certain level of education so that they are not parasites on the rest of us. LOL You want to go back to 1850, the rest of us are moving into the 21 Century.I'd be real careful with the words "subsidized" and and "provided" when talking about a government that /routinely/ inflicts dictates of standards on people and communities who do not wish it...
UPDATE: I keep hitting enter and it sends wtf...
I'm reminded of the folks in Florida who wanted to live green, collect rain water, and use solar, and have a garden in their yard - and the muni came in and told them no. Same shit, different scale.
More like dirty politicians making backdoor deals with energy/water/wastewater companies in order to force folks to use their services. It's like the ultimate monopoly ya know...
I'm not against wind power. But unlike you libs, I don't believe wind and solar should be the sole source of generating electricity.
I think that people like you are just too damned ignorant and stupid to understand the economics of agriculture in an area of low rainfall.Like the rest of the country, Oregon is sick of having policies determined by the cities.
"...big city lawmakers passing restrictive environmental and economic laws are hurting farmers, hunters and ranchers.
"Smith says to look at where the power lies.
"Keep in mind that 43 of the 60 legislators in this building come from Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas County," he said. "It makes it difficult for a small population of Oregonians to have influence on major policy."
""Our citizens are hurting," Smith said to KATU's Chris Liedle. "I think there are folks back home that have a level of frustration both with state government and with the federal government."
"To start the discussion, Parsons emailed every state legislator in all three states, contacted newspapers in the area and started a forum on Yahoo Groups titled "Oregon and Washington Joining Idaho" to discuss logistics like what would happen with assets like state prisons and universities in counties that voted to join Idaho.
"We want a voice," Parsons said. "Give us our voice and we'll take our lumps, if that is what it comes to."
Ideally, Parsons says it would be the county's decision to join Idaho or stay with its current state.
"If people in Malheur County say we want to be a part of Idaho, then I think the rest of Oregon should say, go for it," he exclaimed. "This could theoretically go all the way across the state."
He's reading Malheur County all wrong, though. That place has been taken over by communists and pigs. So let them stay with Bend and Eugene. They deserve each other.
Lawmaker to pitch idea to join eastern parts of Oregon, Washington with Idaho
I think the goal is for the farmers to go out of business. That way they can import produce from China.
I have to admit, I'm not the sharpest tack.
I don't understand how running trillions in deficit spending will help create more money for the country, I have no idea why any illegal invader should automatically become a US citizen cuz it's their natural right, I have no idea how we can solve our energy problems by demonizing fossil fuels, etc., etc., I reckon I'm just a dumb, dumb.
I think that people like you are just too damned ignorant and stupid to understand the economics of agriculture in an area of low rainfall.Like the rest of the country, Oregon is sick of having policies determined by the cities.
"...big city lawmakers passing restrictive environmental and economic laws are hurting farmers, hunters and ranchers.
"Smith says to look at where the power lies.
"Keep in mind that 43 of the 60 legislators in this building come from Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas County," he said. "It makes it difficult for a small population of Oregonians to have influence on major policy."
""Our citizens are hurting," Smith said to KATU's Chris Liedle. "I think there are folks back home that have a level of frustration both with state government and with the federal government."
"To start the discussion, Parsons emailed every state legislator in all three states, contacted newspapers in the area and started a forum on Yahoo Groups titled "Oregon and Washington Joining Idaho" to discuss logistics like what would happen with assets like state prisons and universities in counties that voted to join Idaho.
"We want a voice," Parsons said. "Give us our voice and we'll take our lumps, if that is what it comes to."
Ideally, Parsons says it would be the county's decision to join Idaho or stay with its current state.
"If people in Malheur County say we want to be a part of Idaho, then I think the rest of Oregon should say, go for it," he exclaimed. "This could theoretically go all the way across the state."
He's reading Malheur County all wrong, though. That place has been taken over by communists and pigs. So let them stay with Bend and Eugene. They deserve each other.
Lawmaker to pitch idea to join eastern parts of Oregon, Washington with Idaho
I think the goal is for the farmers to go out of business. That way they can import produce from China.
I have to admit, I'm not the sharpest tack.
I don't understand how running trillions in deficit spending will help create more money for the country, I have no idea why any illegal invader should automatically become a US citizen cuz it's their natural right, I have no idea how we can solve our energy problems by demonizing fossil fuels, etc., etc., I reckon I'm just a dumb, dumb.
We run deficits because the American people are fat, lazy and stupid who demand low tax rates and maximum services
It takes ten years to become a citizen
Nobody said solar and wind should provide all of our energy.....only that they should play a larger role in our energy policy
Drill baby...drill
Sheesh. Most of the energy there is generated by the big dams on the Colombia, which were paid for by the Federal government. The primary energy being generated within the rural counties comes from windmills, which you 'Conservatives' oppose. And those windmills have proven to be a Godsend to many farmers and ranchers there, as the rent from them has freed them from the boom-bust cycle that is farming in dry country.All energy is made in the city too don't ya' know. Those lines across private property going through the countryside and all don't really count.Ah yes, those damned people in government, denying you the opportunity to dump the sewage from your town or house directly into the local river or stream. Dictating that you children achieve a certain level of education so that they are not parasites on the rest of us. LOL You want to go back to 1850, the rest of us are moving into the 21 Century.
More like dirty politicians making backdoor deals with energy/water/wastewater companies in order to force folks to use their services. It's like the ultimate monopoly ya know...
I'm not against wind power. But unlike you libs, I don't believe wind and solar should be the sole source of generating electricity.
It's actually impossible for wind/solar to ever be the sole source of power. They're not consistent and reliable because they're based on the weather. Even if everyone switched over, we'd still need to have power plants for everyone (for the "down times")
But that is not a state or federal ordinance. That is a local city ordinance. Sounds like your rural city is the problem here. So, start a movement, and rescind that stupid ordinance.
Sheesh. Most of the energy there is generated by the big dams on the Colombia, which were paid for by the Federal government. The primary energy being generated within the rural counties comes from windmills, which you 'Conservatives' oppose. And those windmills have proven to be a Godsend to many farmers and ranchers there, as the rent from them has freed them from the boom-bust cycle that is farming in dry country.All energy is made in the city too don't ya' know. Those lines across private property going through the countryside and all don't really count.More like dirty politicians making backdoor deals with energy/water/wastewater companies in order to force folks to use their services. It's like the ultimate monopoly ya know...
I'm not against wind power. But unlike you libs, I don't believe wind and solar should be the sole source of generating electricity.
It's actually impossible for wind/solar to ever be the sole source of power. They're not consistent and reliable because they're based on the weather. Even if everyone switched over, we'd still need to have power plants for everyone (for the "down times")
Modern society is on life support with fossil fuels that keeps modern society viable.
To think there must be a substitute is asinine.
To think that this is stupid beyond understanding today. Tesla demonstrated that. And Chevy has the Bolt, Goodnough just developed a battery that if put into production would give the Tesla about a 1000 miles range on a single charge, and the bolt about 900. And that battery looks like it will be far less costly than the present lithium ion batteries.Sheesh. Most of the energy there is generated by the big dams on the Colombia, which were paid for by the Federal government. The primary energy being generated within the rural counties comes from windmills, which you 'Conservatives' oppose. And those windmills have proven to be a Godsend to many farmers and ranchers there, as the rent from them has freed them from the boom-bust cycle that is farming in dry country.All energy is made in the city too don't ya' know. Those lines across private property going through the countryside and all don't really count.More like dirty politicians making backdoor deals with energy/water/wastewater companies in order to force folks to use their services. It's like the ultimate monopoly ya know...
I'm not against wind power. But unlike you libs, I don't believe wind and solar should be the sole source of generating electricity.
It's actually impossible for wind/solar to ever be the sole source of power. They're not consistent and reliable because they're based on the weather. Even if everyone switched over, we'd still need to have power plants for everyone (for the "down times")
Modern society is on life support with fossil fuels that keeps modern society viable.
To think there must be a substitute is asinine.
Where's the update?
Silly ass. Tesla is right now manufacturing and putting into place grid scale batteries, and has the Powerwall 2 that you can buy for your home. And this is just the beginning. As soon as other people start manufacturing the price will rapidly come down. Good old capitalism.Sheesh. Most of the energy there is generated by the big dams on the Colombia, which were paid for by the Federal government. The primary energy being generated within the rural counties comes from windmills, which you 'Conservatives' oppose. And those windmills have proven to be a Godsend to many farmers and ranchers there, as the rent from them has freed them from the boom-bust cycle that is farming in dry country.All energy is made in the city too don't ya' know. Those lines across private property going through the countryside and all don't really count.Ah yes, those damned people in government, denying you the opportunity to dump the sewage from your town or house directly into the local river or stream. Dictating that you children achieve a certain level of education so that they are not parasites on the rest of us. LOL You want to go back to 1850, the rest of us are moving into the 21 Century.
More like dirty politicians making backdoor deals with energy/water/wastewater companies in order to force folks to use their services. It's like the ultimate monopoly ya know...
I'm not against wind power. But unlike you libs, I don't believe wind and solar should be the sole source of generating electricity.
It's actually impossible for wind/solar to ever be the sole source of power. They're not consistent and reliable because they're based on the weather. Even if everyone switched over, we'd still need to have power plants for everyone (for the "down times")
