Will The State Of Oregon Be Shrinking In Size?

[jackflash]

Yeah, slightly better than a snowball's chances in hell, but you have to try. N. CA and S. OR have wanted a state of Jefferson for nearly a hundred years. E. WA was all about the state of Liberty just a few years ago and now E. OR wanting to join ID---I would love to see a coalition between E. WA and E. OR to join ID. I think there is a better chance of that than creating a new state---AND it alleviates the problems associated with setting up a new state government, taxation, constitution, infrastructure, education etc. They could fall under existing policies and laws in ID. But you're right, probably no more than a pipe dream.

I see that U were a step ahead of me about the coalition like I should have read this post of yours before I answered U above! It won't work if we DON'T TRY!!! Eastern Oregon is moving ahead & us eastern Washingtonians are just inert. Do U know of leadership capable people in your area of abode that would work as a steering committee for our movement. If we can get the message out up there & attract enough folks we may be able to get folks to donate 10/15 dollars per month to get the ball rolling. A 1000 supporters x $10.00 = 10 grand per month. It's our best bet to go on the coalition route as it will STRENGTHEN ALL of us involved!!! We need to attract attention both federally as well as state. The king pin is Governor Brad Little like Idaho will take us in tow just like they did with our fellow eastern Oregonians.

 

[ThisIsMe]

In a nutshell--

To secede a portion of a state and create a new state, the U.S. Constitution requires the consent of the state legislature and Congress. Historically, successful examples include Kentucky from Virginia, Maine from Massachusetts, and West Virginia from Virginia, all of which followed this legal process. Wikipedia California State Portal

More specifically,

Overview of State Secession Process​

Secession refers to the process by which a portion of a state seeks to withdraw and form a new state or join another state. This process is complex and involves legal, political, and constitutional considerations.

Legal Framework​

U.S. Constitution​

• The U.S. Constitution does not explicitly provide a mechanism for a state to secede.
• Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1, known as the New States Clause, allows Congress to admit new states but requires the consent of the state legislatures involved.

Supreme Court Rulings​

• The Supreme Court case Texas v. White (1869) ruled that unilateral secession is unconstitutional. It stated that states cannot withdraw from the Union without the consent of Congress.

Historical Examples of Secession​

Successful Secessions​

• Kentucky from Virginia (1792)
• Maine from Massachusetts (1820)
• West Virginia from Virginia (1863)

These instances required legislative approval from both the parent state and Congress.

Modern Proposals​

• Recent movements in states like California and Colorado have sought to create new states or regions. These proposals often arise from local grievances and require significant political support and legal processes to advance.

Steps for Secession​

1. Local Support: A movement typically begins with local advocacy and public support.
2. Legislative Approval: The state legislature must approve the proposal for secession or partition.
3. Congressional Approval: After state approval, Congress must also consent to the creation of a new state.
4. Referendum: In some cases, a public vote may be held to gauge support for the secession.
5. Legal Challenges: The process may face legal challenges, requiring court rulings to clarify constitutional issues.

This process illustrates the significant hurdles and complexities involved in the secession of portions of states within the United States.
Wikipedia ebsco.com

Yeah but what are the chances Oregon legislature would ever approve of it?

Also, its relying on the ability of congress to admit new states, which in this case could only happen if Oregon decides to give up those county's.

Even then there's this:

A state's secession would not go through Congress because, according to the U.S. Constitution, there is no legal mechanism for it, and the Supreme Court ruled in
Texas v. White that states cannot unilaterally secede. The process is legally impossible and has been defined by the Supreme Court as requiring either revolution or the consent of all states, as the Union is considered indissoluble.

 

[excalibur]

It is not succession. Eastern Oregon would still be in the Union.

Oregon’s legislature would have to approve, so not happening.

 

[ThisIsMe]

It is not succession. Eastern Oregon would still be in the Union.

Thats a good point, but I really doubt the Oregon legislation would ever approve of it.

 

[kyzr]

I hope CA follows suit

 

[kyzr]

Thats a good point, but I really doubt the Oregon legislation would ever approve of it.

OK, but could a case be made to the Supreme Court that eastern OR's voting rights, or other rights, are being abused by the democrats?

 

[norwegen]

Will it be called Oregone?

 

[22lcidw]

OK, but could a case be made to the Supreme Court that eastern OR's voting rights, or other rights, are being abused by the democrats?

There is a huge difference in professed morality though. That means ways of living. The state government will push its ways on the counties. With one side constantly in power moving further and further left towards communism.

 

[citygator]

The good ole "land votes" party. Ya'll are some serious dumbasses.

ALL the money comes from the blue areas. Screwing your sister and cousin in the rural areas generates no economic benefit. Most of Oregon (53%) IS ACTUALLY FEDERALLY OWNED. Morons. You cant carve up federal land into a state with 12 hicks who think the XFiles "Home" episode is a documentary.

 

[ThisIsMe]

OK, but could a case be made to the Supreme Court that eastern OR's voting rights, or other rights, are being abused by the democrats?

I dont know. I would guess the scouts would say if they dont like it, they can move. I dont think the scouts can force a state to give up land.

But who knows, ill defer to those who have a better answer.

 

[Concerned American]

U got that right. If eastern Oregon escapes the ultra corrupt Salem gang we eastern Washingtonians need to follow suit. That phony Idaho Washington/Idaho Oregon border is the biggest farce going in our western states. I mean check out the N/S street named State St. that separates Old Town from Newport, that is also part of the border that separates Washington from Idaho. Can U say "phony BORDER"?

Your county flag represented, & still does represent our entire eastern Washington movement to be independent from the super corrupt Opimpia gang. "IF" the Greater Idaho project moves closer to fruition we eastern Washingtonians need to follow suit. A much more AFFORDABLE & relaxed/enjoyable lifestyle awaits us eastern Washingtonians when we become part of Greater Idaho.

We desperately need quality leadership in eastern Washington that will work hand in hand with our fellow eastern Oregonian farmers & small town folks. A COALITION between eastern Oregonians & eastern Washington could/would strengthen our hand as Idaho Governor Brad Little would no doubt take a KEEN interest in adding eastern Washington counties to the mix! My son specializes in CONTRACT LAW which COULD/MAY pay off in a reduced legal services if/when needed. Colville in my opinion would be better suited for the "HUB" as Spokane is just not right in my opinion. What is your opinion on my idea?

IDK, I don't think you'll get much traction for Colville as Spokane is the major population center. Your take on the Greater ID idea seems pretty good though--I still don't think it will happen in my lifetime.
The history behind the border between ID and WA is interesting though. Seems that when this was a territory, WA reached all the way to MT and when they were drawing up the states, Stevens (county namesake) and those fine upstanding Washingtonians didn't want anything to do with those dirty miners that were the panhandle at that time, so they gave the panhandle to ID and settled on the current border that includes State St. in Newport/Oldtown. Too bad we couldn't get W. WA/OR to merge and E. WA/E. OR/ID to merge---LOL, we would only have 49 states again and we'd have to change the US flag.

 

[Concerned American]

It is not succession. Eastern Oregon would still be in the Union.

Not 'succession'--the term is 'secession'

 

[Concerned American]

Yeah but what are the chances Oregon legislature would ever approve of it?

Once again, I didn't say the effort would succeed, I just said there are legal avenues.
Most of the rest of what I'm seeing opposing what 'could' happen apparently do not understand that these types of things DID happen with ME and WV.

Also, its relying on the ability of congress to admit new states, which in this case could only happen if Oregon decides to give up those county's.

There wouldn't be a new state--E. OR would be absorbed by ID in the Greater ID movement

 

[Zincwarrior]

If Oregon and Idaho voted for it, fine.

 

[Winco]

Now if we could only get eastern WA to join Greater ID as well.

You have choices.

Just MOVE to Idaho.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Once again, I didn't say the effort would succeed, I just said there are legal avenues.
Most of the rest of what I'm seeing opposing what 'could' happen apparently do not understand that these types of things DID happen with ME and WV.

There wouldn't be a new state--E. OR would be absorbed by ID in the Greater ID movement

I dont know, everything I read says there is no avenue

I guess we will see where it goes.

 

[my2¢]

The Urban vs. Rural political difference is beginning to take on the feeling of North vs. South of 165 years ago.