Oppenheimer The Review

[g5000]

I'd like to see Napoleon on the big screen, but it's also close to three hours

Don't bother. It sucks.

 

[Woodznutz]

It sounds counter-intuitive but the dropping of the 2 atomic bombs saved a huge number of lives.
The US military invasion planners estimated that up to one million American soldiers would become casualties before mainland Japan was finally conquered.
Because every Japanese woman, child, and elderly person, was being trained to attack invading American soldiers with knives, garden tools, and even sharpened sticks. Dying for their emperor was a great honor and untold millions of Japanese citizens were prepared to sacrifice their lives.

A good reason for not invading their homeland.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

A good reason for not invading their homeland.

You must be french

 

[whitehall]

Bad timing though. Just when liberal celebs are demonstrating against the Jewish menace we get a (positive?) movie about a Jewish scientist who helped create the most notorious weapon in history.

 

[Woodznutz]

You must be french

Surrounding, isolating, and starving an enemy is a time-honored military tactic. We used it in the "island hopping" campaign in the Pacific. We just didn't have the patience to do it to the Japanese mainland.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Surrounding, isolating, and starving an enemy is a time-honored military tactic. We used it in the "island hopping" campaign in the Pacific. We just didn't have the patience to do it to the Japanese mainland.

Nay
We saw how downright crazy fanatical they fought for some of those islands that were nothing more than some rocks and hills. Insanely fought. All the way down to the top commander, the only soldier left, who committed suicide as we approached.
We knew, if they fought that hard and dedicated over a worthless island - they would fight down to the last child over their homeland.
No choice.

 

[Woodznutz]

Nay
We saw how downright crazy fanatical they fought for some of those islands that were nothing more than some rocks and hills. Insanely fought. All the way down to the top commander, the only soldier left, who committed suicide as we approached.
We knew, if they fought that hard and dedicated over a worthless island - they would fight down to the last child over their homeland.
No choice.

We bypassed and isolated the islands that weren't needed as staging areas for a future invasion of Japan. We only invaded those we needed. By the time we got to Japan we had overwhelming military superiority in all areas.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Despite everything, we watched it last night.
It looks like a movie produced to impress Hollywood than the rest of us.
Top actors, lots of melodrama, and a script that makes America look like a monster.

They did go to considerable lengths to make the movie appear to be accurate. Used actual statements made during Senate hearings, portrayed Oppenheimer going to places and visiting people as it was recorded by FBI investigators. If you delve no deeper than than that - then you surely believe it was accurate.
But beneath keeping to actual events, the movie assumes that all conversations and discussions made by everyone was against the bomb, and assumes the opinion that Japan was about to surrender. Indeed, one of the last words spoken in the movie was that - "we dropped a bomb on an enemy that was ready to surrender".
Even though, the facts and what we know from the Japanese leaders themselves - they would have continued to fight for sometime to come.
In the end the portrayal of the story was everyone who was against the bomb and was open to the idea of socialism - were wise and wonderful. And the people who were for the bomb and against communism were liars and maniacs.

 

[Hector12]

The tragedy of the Bomb was that it was unnecessary. Japan was already defeated militarily. Conventional bombing and naval bombardment would have brought them to the deck of the Missouri with minimal risk to our military. The Bomb was dropped to satisfy our vengeance upon an enemy that we did consider less than human.

United States Strategic Bombing Survey
Summary Report
(Pacific War)​

Washington, D.C.
1 July 1946​

United States
Government Printing Office
Washington : 1946​

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

United States Strategic Bombing Survey: Summary Report (Pacific War)

 

[Unkotare]

It sounds counter-intuitive but the dropping of the 2 atomic bombs saved a huge number of lives.
The US military invasion planners estimated that up to one million American soldiers would become casualties before mainland Japan was finally conquered.
Because every Japanese woman, child, and elderly person, was being trained to attack invading American soldiers with knives, garden tools, and even sharpened sticks. Dying for their emperor was a great honor and untold millions of Japanese citizens were prepared to sacrifice their lives.

The starving, demoralized public that had long since grown tired of a war they were obviously going to lose? Predominantly comprised of women, children, and the elderly? It's just about 2024 and you are still swallowing WW2 era propaganda meant for another country's civilian population? Ridiculous.

 

[Sunni Man]

The starving, demoralized public that had long since grown tired of a war they were obviously going to lose? Predominantly comprised of women, children, and the elderly? It's just about 2024 and you are still swallowing WW2 era propaganda meant for another country's civilian population? Ridiculous.

There were still around 3.5 million military personal on the Japanese mainland when the atomic bombs were dropped and ended the war.. Comprised of members of the Navy and Air Force that were integrated into the Army to fight to the death in order to repel the American invaders.
Also, there were 10's of millions of Japanese civilian women and elderly men willing to die for their Emperor by killing the invaders any way they could.

 

[Moonglow]

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For anyone who wanted to watch the new movie about the invention of the nuclear bomb.....I would go ahead and watch this one.
If you want to see a leftist view of the origins of the nuclear arms-race.....then anything they put out that is remotely close to the truth is worth watching. I prefer "Fatman & Littleboy" for entertainment value, even though it's not exactly historically accurate either.

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I expect this movie to be nominated for awards because it sort of reminded me of Oliver Stone's JFK, only less memorable. There appears to be as much realism and adherence to historical fact as Stone's work. It also could be compared to "There Will Be Blood" which I felt was a horrible movie about the fossil-fuel industry, only slightly more entertaining. With an all-star cast, I think most of them are hoping for best actor awards, and so-on, because of the subject matter contained in this film.

Even though he was a Democrat, the director took a few digs at President Truman, painting him as a mindless bigot who felt that the Japanese weren't exactly human-beings.



If your political leanings are to the left, you might like this move. If you're right of center, you may feel this one spends too much time dwelling on the chaos that might have been behind the scenes in the development of the atomic bomb. It spends too much time hashing out the bigotry that existed in government and not focusing on the actual development of such a weapon. The film went downhill when it goes to black & white after the Trinity test to show the Senate investigations of Oppenheimer and his possible ties to communists, as if they wanted to show the lack of appreciation America had for his contributions to the end of WWII and the defeat of the Japanese.

The big finish was of course the director's view of nukes.....and how they will become the end of planet Earth. Rows of silver missiles jetting into the sky leaving smoke trails and ending in the vaporization of the Earth's atmosphere.

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

I suspect that communists wrote the script just to make America look like garbage.

Crappy god damned movie review.

 

[Failzero]

There were still around 3.5 million military personal on the Japanese mainland when the atomic bombs were dropped and ended the war.. Comprised of members of the Navy and Air Force that were integrated into the Army to fight to the death in order to repel the American invaders.
Also, there were 10's of millions of Japanese civilian women and elderly men willing to die for their Emperor by killing the invaders any way they could.

They were Sharpening Bamboo Sticks and hay rakes , digging out Kitchen knives And forming Civilian Militias , it woulda been a Country full of Dead Enders for sure

 

[Leo123]

The bomb stopped the Japs and created Godzilla.

 

[Unkotare]

There were still around 3.5 million military personal on the Japanese mainland when the atomic bombs were dropped and ended the war.. Comprised of members of the Navy and Air Force that were integrated into the Army to fight to the death in order to repel the American invaders.
Also, there were 10's of millions of Japanese civilian women and elderly men willing to die for their Emperor by killing the invaders any way they could.

How gullible can you be?

 

[Unkotare]

They were Sharpening Bamboo Sticks and hay rakes , digging out Kitchen knives And forming Civilian Militias , it woulda been a Country full of Dead Enders for sure

Propaganda from 80 years ago never intended for you, and you are still lapping it up like milk. What a fool.

 

[Failzero]

Propaganda from 80 years ago never intended for you, and you are still lapping it up like milk. What a fool.

We won , get over it .

 

[Woodznutz]

There were still around 3.5 million military personal on the Japanese mainland when the atomic bombs were dropped and ended the war.. Comprised of members of the Navy and Air Force that were integrated into the Army to fight to the death in order to repel the American invaders.
Also, there were 10's of millions of Japanese civilian women and elderly men willing to die for their Emperor by killing the invaders any way they could.

All in vain if we didn't launch a ground invasion. A protracted siege would have eventually brought a surrender. The bombs actually saved Japanese lives however as a long siege would have killed many more Japanese.

 

[Woodznutz]

US casualties battle of Leyte: 16,043 soldiers and 7,270 sailors were killed, 11,991 wounded.

Battle of Guadalcanal: 7,100 dead and almost 8,000 wounded. It took SEVEN MONTHS to capture Guadalcanal.

Battle of Luzon: 10,380 killed and 36,550 wounded.

Battle of Iwo Jima: 6,821 killed and 19,217 wounded

Battle of Okinawa: 12,520 killed and 36,631 wounded.


That's just five battles, almost 60,000 Americans killed and over 100,000 wounded.

That's with conventional bombing and naval bombardment.

The Japanese lost far less lives by being nuked than they would have if they had fought for their mainland with the zeal they fought over a handful of islands. And we would have easily lost another 100,000 American lives.

The Japanese would have lost a million lives if we had not nuked them. We did them a favor.

Those battles ended the Japanese military extension into the Pacific and put the allies on doorstep of Japan. From those newly acquired air bases we could have bombed Japan into surrendering with minimal loss of life on either side.

That said, as horrific as the atomic bombs were, they did save lives on both sides. However, we have the stigma of being the only nation that has used nukes, and on a civilian population.

 

[Foxfyre]

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For anyone who wanted to watch the new movie about the invention of the nuclear bomb.....I would go ahead and watch this one.
If you want to see a leftist view of the origins of the nuclear arms-race.....then anything they put out that is remotely close to the truth is worth watching. I prefer "Fatman & Littleboy" for entertainment value, even though it's not exactly historically accurate either.

View attachment 866507

I expect this movie to be nominated for awards because it sort of reminded me of Oliver Stone's JFK, only less memorable. There appears to be as much realism and adherence to historical fact as Stone's work. It also could be compared to "There Will Be Blood" which I felt was a horrible movie about the fossil-fuel industry, only slightly more entertaining. With an all-star cast, I think most of them are hoping for best actor awards, and so-on, because of the subject matter contained in this film.

Even though he was a Democrat, the director took a few digs at President Truman, painting him as a mindless bigot who felt that the Japanese weren't exactly human-beings.



If your political leanings are to the left, you might like this move. If you're right of center, you may feel this one spends too much time dwelling on the chaos that might have been behind the scenes in the development of the atomic bomb. It spends too much time hashing out the bigotry that existed in government and not focusing on the actual development of such a weapon. The film went downhill when it goes to black & white after the Trinity test to show the Senate investigations of Oppenheimer and his possible ties to communists, as if they wanted to show the lack of appreciation America had for his contributions to the end of WWII and the defeat of the Japanese.

The big finish was of course the director's view of nukes.....and how they will become the end of planet Earth. Rows of silver missiles jetting into the sky leaving smoke trails and ending in the vaporization of the Earth's atmosphere.

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.

I suspect that communists wrote the script just to make America look like garbage.

It could have been a decent movie if they had just told the story straight through. One or two flashbacks can be important to a plot, but they had so much of that that the editing gymnastics destroyed the flow of the whole thing. It was chopped up to the point it became confusing to those who didn't know the history.

As far as the editing goes, there is a whole bunch of it that nobody would have missed if it had wound up on the cutting room floor. The movie did not have have sufficient interesting or necessary content to be as long as it was.

I am not sorry I watched but it is one I probably would not choose to watch again.