OPINION: Why mRNA Vaccines are failing.

[Rogue AI]

Barring another highly infectious variate, Covid will move from epidemic to endemic within the next 12 to 18 months. This means it will no longer be consider a pubic Heath emergency. There will still be pocket outbreaks to be treated. In many undeveloped the epidemic will continue for years.

If people were actually vaccinated that wouldn't matter. This experimental treatment is not a vaccine. The sooner you folks figure it out the sooner we can move on.

 

[Independentthinker]

From the top, I am not "anti-vax". So please do not go there. I am posting this as a person with extensive knowledge in the medical field and simply posting empirical observations.

Modified RNA vaccines (mRNA) are designed to look for common parts of a virus. This makes creating a quick vaccine very easy but it also has negative problems that we are now having to deal with.

Modified RNA vaccines look for "parts" of the virus, not the virus itself. While they will lessen the severity if you do become infected, once the antibodies are gone its the same as never having seen the virus, as you body did not have to heal and create B and T cells in your bone marrow. The antibodies were triggered by a part of a virus and not the virus, in this case, the "spike proteins". You gain no long term protections.

This is also why you can become infectious to others. The virus grows unabated until there are sufficient "spike proteins" to trigger a response from your immune system. This is why people get ill, become infective, but have very mild cases. It is the lack of healing and the trigger by spike proteins which stops the body from creating long term immunities in B and T cells. Once your antibodies are gone from this mRNA vaccine your body has never seen or reacted to the actual virus, you are now a walking time bomb again to have a very sever case.

In summary;

* The "trigger" for your immune system is the spike proteins and not the virus. The human bodies immune system never trains itself to look for the virus. No long term immunity is formed.

* Once the active antibodies are gone from a mRNA virus you are again at risk to become ill. Without the formation of long term immunities in your bone marrow which look for the virus you do not gain these.

* Because the mRNA vaccine trains the body to look for the 'spike proteins', the virus will run rampant until it creates sufficient mass to trigger the antibody response from the spike proteins. This time period allows the viral load to amass and the person to become infective to others. The body never responds to the virus as a threat. The antibodies will attack anything that has the spike proteins present so it kills the infection.

* mRNA antibodies rapidly decrease at 3-4 months. By 5-9 months they are insufficient to foster further protections.

* mRNA vaccines cause swelling of cardiac tissues in persons under the age of 25 and blood clots in women.

The studies coming out about the efficacy of the mRNA vaccines is stunning. Problems, like viral transmission, were not foreseen by the creator of the method. While this method does make early vaccine intervention possible, it is not a long term solution to endemic viruses such as COVID-19. Using identifiable parts of a virus can give some protection to mutation outbreaks, if the right part is used, but it can also have unforeseen bad outcomes.

In My Opinion, the fact that mRNA vaccine are incapable of creating long term memory and immunities makes them a stop gap measure until a more suitable vaccine can be created which does. Now Europe is seeing its third wave because of waning vaccine antibodies. Something needs to change fast or this will cycle never stop. I am glad that I have had the virus and have acquired (non-vaccine) driven immunities. My body has long term memory cells so my problem is over as far as COVID 19 is concerned.

References:

Efficacy and Safety of the mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine - PubMed

The mRNA-1273 vaccine showed 94.1% efficacy at preventing Covid-19 illness, including severe disease. Aside from transient local and systemic reactions, no safety concerns were identified. (Funded by the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority and the National Institute of Allergy...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

Exactly. I've been trying to explain this to the left for months now and they just don't get it. They are pre-programmed to believe, vaccine stops virus. The virus has been spreading because both the unvaccinated AND the vaccinated are spreading it. Therefore, vaccine mandates and passports are actually creating a false sense of security that as long as you are vaccinated you can go out in masse and do whatever the hell you want and the virus won't spread, because you're vaccinated when, in reality the vaccinated DO spread the virus. They seem to have no clue that this thing spreads as fast as it does because the asymptomatic are spreading it and that includes the vaccinated. They seem to have no clue that 100% of the vaccinated, if exposed to enough of the virus, would get and spread the virus and the left have made it so that breakthrough cases reported are only from those hospitalized or die while the vaccinated asymptomatic are not counted as breakthrough cases and are spreading the virus like wild fire. The left are perfectly fine with a football stadium filled with 80,000 only vaccinated people and that that will somehow be safe because, hey, they're vaccinated and, if cases rise shortly afterward, they'll just blame it all on the unvaccinated.

 

[Billy_Bob]

And now 6 nations and many others are stopping the use of many of these mRNA vaccines.

Sweden halts use of Moderna's COVID vaccine in under 30s

National health agency says "very minor" risk of certain side effects appears linked to 2nd dose of the vaccine, and was more prevalent among young men and boys.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Circe]

Incorrect...

Vaccines for other viruses, which do not have animal reservoirs, are long term fixes. Vaccines for endemic viruses like COVID-19 are short term. As I pointed out, mRNA vaccines are triggered by a part of the virus and not the virus itself, so long term protections are never formed.

Its a bit more complex than just "build a vaccine". In the case of mRNA vaccines they are short term fixes at best. Without the ability to create long term immune system memory they do very little.

I feel strongly that the lousy influenza and Covid vaccines have damaged the reputation of the scientific and medical communities. They DID, yes, pass both off as total prevention for the diseases, we're saved! We're saved!! but that was a total lie in both cases, flu and Covid. Neither are worthy of the name vaccines, which actually do prevent disease.

They've been backtracking ever since. The shot didn't stop the disease, it didn't prevent spread, it didn't keep us from getting it over and over. It's essentially worthless, unless it's true it "protects against hospitalization," whatever that means, but since they have lied about absolutely everything right from the "two weeks to slow the curve" (it didn't slow the curve and we still have a lot of Covid going on, as much as ever), I suppose they've lied about the so-called vaccine ameliorating the severity of the disease. I hope not, but they definitely have lied about everything else.

 

[Circe]

They are pre-programmed to believe, vaccine stops virus.

Sure. THAT is why these liars called it a VACCINE. So we'd be fooled. I can't see the point in fooling us, since nothing worked and we've had surge after surge after surge and Britain is having another surge right now and we usually follow them, so ------- it's still not working.

They used a word for something magic, a miracle of 20th century medicine, something we apparently can no longer do (and which always took decades to develop in each case for each disease), to fool us and make fools of us, sheep.

And the Left believes them because they are sheep and can't read the plain graphs, with surge after surge. What happened to your two weeks to slow the curve, leftists? What happened to your total immunity promises? What happened to ending the pandemic? Can't you see you've been tricked?

 

[Billy_Bob]

I feel strongly that the lousy influenza and Covid vaccines have damaged the reputation of the scientific and medical communities. They DID, yes, pass both off as total prevention for the diseases, we're saved! We're saved!! but that was a total lie in both cases, flu and Covid. Neither are worthy of the name vaccines, which actually do prevent disease.

They've been backtracking ever since. The shot didn't stop the disease, it didn't prevent spread, it didn't keep us from getting it over and over. It's essentially worthless, unless it's true it "protects against hospitalization," whatever that means, but since they have lied about absolutely everything right from the "two weeks to slow the curve" (it didn't slow the curve and we still have a lot of Covid going on, as much as ever), I suppose they've lied about the so-called vaccine ameliorating the severity of the disease. I hope not, but they definitely have lied about everything else.

mRNA vaccines use part of a cell to trigger the immune response. The human body does not map partial cells in the long term immunities. Once your antibodies are gone so is your protection from the virus. This is why they are screaming for more shots to be given. While they do lessen the severity of the infection they do not allow your body to learn what it needs to protect you from. That same virus can later kill you. I wonder if that is all by design.

That would definitely give big pharma an endless stream of money... Never ending boosters..

 

[Circe]

mRNA vaccines use part of a cell to trigger the immune response. The human body does not map partial cells in the long term immunities. Once your antibodies are gone so is your protection from the virus. This is why they are screaming for more shots to be given. While they do lessen the severity of the infection they do not allow your body to learn what it needs to protect you from. That same virus can later kill you. I wonder if that is all by design.

That would definitely give big pharma an endless stream of money... Never ending boosters..

I think they just don't know how yet. If they take the usual several years to develop it properly, who knows, we might have a handle on how to fight ALL the mRNA viruses.

But I hear you: I can't stand to think what you just said, but I admit I'm chronically naive.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Barring another highly infectious variate, Covid will move from epidemic to endemic within the next 12 to 18 months. This means it will no longer be consider a pubic Heath emergency. There will still be pocket outbreaks to be treated. In many undeveloped countries the epidemic will continue for years.

It is already endemic in most of the US.. Natural immunities are taking over. Vaccine mandates seek to remove your own natural ability to protect yourself. Many scientists are warning that these mRNA vaccines are changing human DNA so that you can not defend yourself. One needs to ask why they did that? Population control is my "Bill Gates" answer. if you can kill with impunity you can reduce earths populations. Its a very scary thought if proven true.. IF this is proven true, we need to hold these tyrannical men/women to account.

 

[Circe]

It is already endemic in most of the US.. Natural immunities are taking over. Vaccine mandates seek to remove your own natural ability to protect yourself. Many scientists are warning that these mRNA vaccines are changing human DNA so that you can not defend yourself. One needs to ask why they did that? Population control is my "Bill Gates" answer. if you can kill with impunity you can reduce earths populations. Its a very scary thought if proven true.. IF this is proven true, we need to hold these tyrannical men/women to account.

Maybe ---- that was my idea about why China MIGHT have done it on purpose. They are chronically overpopulated anyway, so it's an advantage, not a problem, for them.

But Covid is disproportionately killing old people, and they don't reproduce, so I don't know about that as a motivation.

I'm wildly in favor of lowering the overpopulation problem, but not by killing people!! Foregoing births is the best way, surely.

 

[Billy_Bob]

But Covid is disproportionately killing old people, and they don't reproduce, so I don't know about that as a motivation.

Think about this from a command and control government that pays for everything stand point. Older people generally are retired and no longer producing members of the group. They are over head in a socialist government. they consume, they have medical problems... You want more money to do the things you want. How do you get it? Reduce your overhead... COVID attacks this population with impunity. IF you make it so they can not protect themselves naturally you can remove them as you see fit.. Drop a virus and sit back and watch.. and they never know your the cause so the populace never rebels.

I always look at things from the standpoint of my enemy to see what it is that drives them. Why do you think China made doctors and others who were sounding the alarm simply disappeared?

 

[Flopper]

Exactly. I've been trying to explain this to the left for months now and they just don't get it. They are pre-programmed to believe, vaccine stops virus. The virus has been spreading because both the unvaccinated AND the vaccinated are spreading it. Therefore, vaccine mandates and passports are actually creating a false sense of security that as long as you are vaccinated you can go out in masse and do whatever the hell you want and the virus won't spread, because you're vaccinated when, in reality the vaccinated DO spread the virus. They seem to have no clue that this thing spreads as fast as it does because the asymptomatic are spreading it and that includes the vaccinated. They seem to have no clue that 100% of the vaccinated, if exposed to enough of the virus, would get and spread the virus and the left have made it so that breakthrough cases reported are only from those hospitalized or die while the vaccinated asymptomatic are not counted as breakthrough cases and are spreading the virus like wild fire. The left are perfectly fine with a football stadium filled with 80,000 only vaccinated people and that that will somehow be safe because, hey, they're vaccinated and, if cases rise shortly afterward, they'll just blame it all on the unvaccinated.

You're taking a grain of truth, the vaccinated can spread the virus and making the assumption that the vaccinated are significantly responsible for the continuing epidemic. What you are ignoring is only breakthrough cases can spread the virus and most of the vaccinated never have breakthrough cases. And of those that do, it is believe that as much as 80% are asymptomatic and produce very small viral loads compared to those that are sick.

In short, people who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to spread the virus even if they become infected, a new study finds, adding to a growing body of evidence that vaccines can reduce transmission of the delta variant. However, once the number vaccinated is large enough, whether the vaccinated are transmitting the virus is irrelevant because immunity will be high enough that the epidemic will subside. I suspect we are close to that point now with new cases, deaths, and hospitalizations down for the last 4 weeks as the percent vaccinated continues to rise.

BTW, one study show that most of those that wore masks before being vaccinated are still wearing masks today. In fact, the people that refuse to wear masks after vaccination are same ones that refuse to wear before being vaccinated.

What the data say about asymptomatic COVID infections

 

[Independentthinker]

You're taking a grain of truth, the vaccinated can spread the virus and making the assumption that the vaccinated are significantly responsible for the continuing epidemic. What you are ignoring is only breakthrough cases can spread the virus and most of the vaccinated never have breakthrough cases. And of those that do, it is believe that as much as 80% are asymptomatic and produce very small viral loads compared to those that are sick.

In short, people who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to spread the virus even if they become infected, a new study finds, adding to a growing body of evidence that vaccines can reduce transmission of the delta variant. However, once the number vaccinated is large enough, whether the vaccinated are transmitting the virus is irrelevant because immunity will be high enough that the epidemic will subside. I suspect we are close to that point now with new cases, deaths, and hospitalizations down for the last 4 weeks as the percent vaccinated continues to rise.

BTW, one study show that most of those that wore masks before being vaccinated are still wearing masks today. In fact, the people that refuse to wear masks after vaccination are same ones that refuse to wear before being vaccinated.

What the data say about asymptomatic COVID infections

The vaccinated ARE significantly responsible for the continued epidemic. They spread the virus and they are the ones allowed out. The unvaccinated are getting fired from their jobs and not allowed in places and the vaccinated are allowed in everywhere, spreading the virus. 100% of the vaccinated, if exposed to enough virus, WILL spread the virus. This is why the virus has surged, even in the most highly vaccinated places on the planet. In fact, an unvaccinated health care worker who gets tested weekly is much less likely to spread the virus than a vaccinated health care worker who doesn't get tested weekly.

 

[Circe]

Think about this from a command and control government that pays for everything stand point. Older people generally are retired and no longer producing members of the group. They are over head in a socialist government. they consume, they have medical problems... You want more money to do the things you want. How do you get it? Reduce your overhead... COVID attacks this population with impunity. IF you make it so they can not protect themselves naturally you can remove them as you see fit.. Drop a virus and sit back and watch.. and they never know your the cause so the populace never rebels.

I always look at things from the standpoint of my enemy to see what it is that drives them. Why do you think China made doctors and others who were sounding the alarm simply disappeared?

Yes, well, this point of view HAS occurred to me. I hope not; I hope we are just being paranoid.

But China is in a better position vis-a-vis the rest of the world since plunging us into total confusion and economic recession, just saying.

 

[Aletheia4u]

 

[Flopper]

The vaccinated ARE significantly responsible for the continued epidemic. They spread the virus and they are the ones allowed out. The unvaccinated are getting fired from their jobs and not allowed in places and the vaccinated are allowed in everywhere, spreading the virus. 100% of the vaccinated, if exposed to enough virus, WILL spread the virus. This is why the virus has surged, even in the most highly vaccinated places on the planet. In fact, an unvaccinated health care worker who gets tested weekly is much less likely to spread the virus than a vaccinated health care worker who doesn't get tested weekly.

You statement that the vaccinated are responsible for the continued epidemic is so ridiculous, it does not deserve a reply.

 

[Flopper]

Yes, well, this point of view HAS occurred to me. I hope not; I hope we are just being paranoid.

But China is in a better position vis-a-vis the rest of the world since plunging us into total confusion and economic recession, just saying.

China's very aggressive measures which began in Jan 2020 are responsible for their success such as:

• Both government and the public support for measures to stop the virus has been strong with few protests over government mandates.
• Over half million people dedicated to contact tracing and quarantining.
• Sealing off cities, villages, and buildings where covid was was found
• Mandatory vaccinations in all major manufacturing plants, major housing projects, the military, all government workers with no exceptions.
• Mandatory Covid testing in the workplace and all large gathering
• Mask requirements everywhere except in the home.
• Some of the toughest travel restrictions both international and within the country.
• Violation of any covid healthcare mandates can be considered a crime against the people and handled as such.

 

[SweetSue92]

You statement that the vaccinated are responsible for the continued epidemic is so ridiculous, it does not deserve a reply.

Oh yes. Believe it. From the UK, where such things are reported honestly. Page 13. The vaccinated are getting infections more than the unvaxxed and therefore, you can bet, spreading more freely.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

 

[Rogue AI]

China's very aggressive measures which began in Jan 2020 are responsible for their success such as:

• Both government and the public support for measures to stop the virus has been strong with few protests over government mandates.
• Over half million people dedicated to contact tracing and quarantining.
• Sealing off cities, villages, and buildings where covid was was found
• Mandatory vaccinations in all major manufacturing plants, major housing projects, the military, all government workers with no exceptions.
• Mandatory Covid testing in the workplace and all large gathering
• Mask requirements everywhere except in the home.
• Some of the toughest travel restrictions both international and within the country.
• Violation of any covid healthcare mandates can be considered a crime against the people and handled as such.

What China says and what's really happening are two separate things. They have harsh measures, but what numbers they present are hardly credible.

 

[colfax_m]

Oh yes. Believe it. From the UK, where such things are reported honestly. Page 13. The vaccinated are getting infections more than the unvaxxed and therefore, you can bet, spreading more freely.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

I guess you didn’t read page 6 where it says the opposite.

 

[JohnDB]

This is anecdotal evidence. Maybe it's true or maybe it isn't or maybe you are just exceptional or just plain lucky. I will go with scientific evidence that vaccine do work at saving lives and preventing serious illness.

The problem with relying on natural immunity is that it's not very reliable. In a study at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tennessee, researchers found that 58 percent of those who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in April tested negative only two months later. Their antibody levels dropped so precipitously, they were no longer detectable. Even the 42 percent of personnel whose antibody levels remained above threshold still experienced a significant decline. In a study done at MIT of students who tested positive for Covid-19, a year later 20% had no detected antibodies at all, 35% had antibodies but not enough to have a strong immunity and the remaining 45% had a level believed to be high enough to provide at some immunity to the virus.

Another fact which the CDC used in it's decision not to consider previous infections in recommendations is the number of people who were seriously ill but had tested positive covid months early.

Bottom line is if you want to gamble, natural immunity might be a go bet but then again maybe not. I think I will stick with the scientific evidence from clinical trials of tens of thousands people and studies of serious infection among those that receive 400 million vaccinations which shows that the vaccines have been very effective at preventing serious illness and death.

Why We Canât Rely On Natural Immunity To Protect Us From Covid-19

A new study, compounded with recent reports of reinfection, shows why building immunity to Covid-19 is trickier than we'd like to believe.

www.forbes.com

The study at Vanderbilt isn't finished yet...those are preliminary results at best.
It can be better or worse. The pool of patients and samples are growing still.

Not that I really disagree with the results...I know several people who have had it more than once. And how younger and younger people are going to the hospital because of coronavirus infections...of course they are unvaccinated... either because they are politically driven or lax about getting vaccinated. It's not 50-somrthing year old vaccinated women filling the ICUs...it's unvaccinated people of all ages.