OPINION: Why mRNA Vaccines are failing.

[ClaireH]

No sure what you call lasting immunity. The Prenominal vaccine which older folks should repeat every 10 years starts weakening after about 3 years but it is still very effective. On the other hand the yearly flu vaccine losses most of it's effectiveness after 4 or 5 months. The anthrax vaccine for humans require 5 does over 18 months and needs a booster yearly. The Yellow Fever vaccine has very short immunity and requires a booster at least every year.

Possibly including a live or attenuated virus does add to the length of immunity. However, vaccines that contain viruses have a nasty habit of creating a major infection, making some people very ill and occasion killing someone. That in itself is enough to drive people away from taking it. Clinical trials and ongoing studies show the mRNA vaccines are certainly effective past 3 months. Except for older folks, those with a compromised immune system, and those that took the Johnson and Johnson viral vector vaccine, a booster is not needed.

“The persistence of memory T cell responses to SARS-CoV for 17 years has been demonstrated9. Moreover, there is increasing evidence that SARS-CoV-2 VOCs rarely escape memory T cell responses elicited by SARS-CoV-2 infection or vaccination. “

T cell-oriented strategies for controlling the COVID-19 pandemic - Nature Reviews Immunology

This Comment article proposes that T cell-oriented vaccine strategies should be considered to control the COVID-19 pandemic in the longer term, given declining levels of neutralizing antibodies with time after vaccination or infection and the emergence of viral escape variants.

www.nature.com

Let’s revisit this in a few years and see how things look. The information is known but privately held in check by certain orgs. They are going to have to release all of it to the public due to ethical researchers who are getting out their information.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Vaccinated deaths and hospitalized:

Vaccines

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends the 2023–2024 updated COVID-19 vaccines. COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States are effective at protecting people from getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, and dying. As

dph.illinois.gov

 

[Rigby5]

Go to any hospital with a Covid ward and you'll see plenty of proof that these vaccines work. A covid ward at the hospital I go had 12 corvid deaths' last month. 11 of the 12 were unvaccinated.

That does not at all mean the mRNA injections are acting as vaccines.
Remember that the virus is not what is killing anyone, but it is the fatal over reaction by the immune system, where is deluges the lungs with a cytokine storm, that is fatal.
You do not need a vaccine in order to prevent that deadly cytokine storm.
Essentially what you need is an immuno-suppressant.
So then the mRNA injections could just be reducing the immune response, not increasing it or keeping it in T-cell memory.
That is not what one would define as a vaccine, even though it could be helpful in the short term.

 

[Rigby5]

Sinovac was created using the traditional method for making vaccines and when it was released it had an efficacy rating of 50%. J&J and Astra did not use MRNA and while their results were better they were nowhere near as good as Pfizer or Moderna. You say you're not antivax but you spread antivax propaganda. What you just did was taken straight from the antivax 101 playbook the main purpose of is 1. sow doubt with lies and 2. spread fear with lies.


Contracting COVID-19 vs. Vaccination: Which is better for immunity?

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

No, a person doesn't have much higher immunity through COVID infection compared to vaccination

Does having COVID-19 give you more immunity than the vaccine? We're hearing your questions and getting the facts from medical experts.

www.abc10.com

Wrong.
The Sinovac does use covid virus, and it does exceed 90% efficacy after 3 boosters.
The main advantage is that then immunity is life long.

The J&J and AstrZenica use a different vector, not covid.

It is not propaganda to point out the reality is that you can't force your own cells to grow spike proteins, and then expect your immune system to trigger on covid virus in the future.

And it is your links that are outright propaganda lies.
All real studies say that natural immunity acquired through recovery is vastly superior to these mRNA injection immunities, both in strength and duration.

 

[Flopper]

There is no ambiguity about lasting immunity.
It means T-cell memory in the bone marrow, not just antibodies.

Yearly flu vaccines have nothing to do with loss of immunity.
There are hundreds of different diseases we collectively call flu, that is all.
And the vaccine does not lose it effectiveness, it is just a different disease become prevalent.

Anthrax vaccine is not considered a success.
{... To build up protection against anthrax, people need 5 doses over a period of 18 months. However, it is unknown how long that protection lasts so people who are recommended to get this vaccine are advised to get a booster dose each year to stay protected. ... }

You appear to be wrong about Yellow Fever vaccines.
{... Most people begin to develop immunity within ten days of vaccination and 99 percent are protected within one month, and this appears to be lifelong....}

The J&J contains a virus, but NOT the covid virus, so again there is nothing for the immune system to target against.
{... The J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine also contains a piece of a modified virus that is not the virus that causes COVID-19. This modified virus is called the vector virus. The vector virus cannot reproduce itself, so it is harmless. This vector virus gives instructions to cells in the body to create an immune response. This response helps protect you from getting sick with COVID-19 in the future. After the body produces an immune response, it discards all of the vaccine ingredients just as it would discard any information that cells no longer need. ...}

Vaccines that contain actual virus do not have a worse risk record but a better one.

How could mRNA vaccines last more than 3 months?
The immediate antibodies can not last more than 3 months, and what could the T-cells store?
Without any virus in the mRNA injection, there is nothing the immune system can use to store the immunity response against.
It can't store against spike proteins, since our own exosomes have to use these same spike proteins for ACE2 receptor access.

The answer to how long these vaccines are effective will not be found in immune system research but rather studies of actually cases. For example, a study that analyzed electronic health records of more than 3 million members of Kaiser Permanente Southern California from when the vaccine was made available in December 2020 to August 2021 reveal the following: The vaccine’s protectiveness against hospitalizations remained high overall, providing 93 percent protection up to 6 months after being administered. The study also found the the vaccine was 90% effective at preventing minor infections at 4 months but only 53% effective at 5 mos. The drop to 53% is an indication that protection for serious cases will be dropping in coming months. This is why the FDA approved the boosters for those at higher risk. Their is research indicating that another booster will be needed next year, probably for the general public as well as those at high risk.

It the current trend hold, deaths down 15% and cases down 20%, and vaccination rates up 3% in the last month, by Spring, Covid cases and death will be limited to isolated occurrences.
How Long Pfizer & Moderna COVID-19 Vaccines Work

 

[Rigby5]

The answer to how long these vaccines are effective will not be found in immune system research but rather studies of actually cases. For example, a study that analyzed electronic health records of more than 3 million members of Kaiser Permanente Southern California from when the vaccine was made available in December 2020 to August 2021 reveal the following: The vaccine’s protectiveness against hospitalizations remained high overall, providing 93 percent protection up to 6 months after being administered. The study also found the the vaccine was 90% effective at preventing minor infections at 4 months but only 53% effective at 5 mos. The drop to 53% is an indication that protection for serious cases will be dropping in coming months. This is why the FDA approved the boosters for those at higher risk. Their is research indicating that another booster will be needed next year, probably for the general public as well as those at high risk.

It the current trend hold, deaths down 15% and cases down 20%, and vaccination rates up 3% in the last month, by Spring, Covid cases and death will be limited to isolated occurrences.
How Long Pfizer & Moderna COVID-19 Vaccines Work

I do not doubt the epidemic will end and the temporary immunity of these vaccines will have helped.
I do not believe more than 4 months after the last injection, there will be any immunity left, because that would require T-cell memory, and if that worked, no booster should have been ever necessary.
I believe the booster is a scam to cover up the fact there is no T-cell memory at all, and it is only boosters each adding an additional 4 months.
But I could be wrong.
Could be the vax worked fine.
Doesn't matter once the epidemic is over.
However, the point is that "flattening the curve" to wait for a vaccine is wrong.
Next epidemic, and there is always going to be another, requires what Gen. George Washington did in 1777.

One Vaccination, Under God: When George Washington Kept a Smallpox Epidemic From Costing Him the American Revolution

Smallpox vaccination was banned in America during the Revolutionary War, but George Washington was determined to protect his army no matter what.

www.mentalfloss.com

{...
Despite his efforts, smallpox was already wreaking havoc on the existing troops. In May 1776, for example, Major General John Thomas lost somewhere between one third to one half of his 10,000 soldiers to smallpox during a siege on Quebec (which they did not win), and Thomas himself died of the disease on June 2.

“The smallpox is ten times more terrible than Britons, Canadians, and Indians together,” John Adams wrote.

In February 1777, Washington told Continental Congress president John Hancock that he saw no other way to prevent the spread of the disease than to inoculate the whole army. By the end of the year, variolation had been performed on about 40,000 soldiers, and infection rates plummeted from 20 percent to a measly 1 percent. Soon after that, legislators across the fledgling nation did away with variolation prohibition.

While Washington has long been lauded for leading American revolutionaries to victory on the battlefield, his shrewd foresight and strong leadership in the face of disease was just as, if not more, important.

“A compelling case can be made that his swift response to the smallpox epidemic and to a policy of inoculation was the most important strategic decision of his military career,” historian Joseph Ellis told National Geographic.
...}

And to be clear, "variolation" is the deliberate infection of the most healthy volunteers, with the least virulent strain that can be found.
We could have done that last March, and saved half a million lives.

 

[Flopper]

Vaccinated

Vaccinated deaths and hospitalized:

Vaccines

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends the 2023–2024 updated COVID-19 vaccines. COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States are effective at protecting people from getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, and dying. As

dph.illinois.gov

deaths and hospitalized:

Vaccines

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends the 2023–2024 updated COVID-19 vaccines. COVID-19 vaccines available in the United States are effective at protecting people from getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, and dying. As

dph.illinois.gov

No
The cumulative breakthrough deaths were 117 for week of 6/16/2021
The cumulative breakthrough deaths the previous week was 106
Therefore there were 11 deaths in that week (117-106) that were vaccinated
The percent of covid deaths that were vaccinated is the number of vaccinated covid deaths divide by the total number of covid deaths. You can not determine the total number of covid deaths by looking at breakthrough deaths. However you can get an approximation by looking at the 7 day average deaths in the graph in the link you provided which is 15/day over 7 days which would be 105 total deaths for the week 6/16/21.

So the % of Covid deaths for that week would be 11/105 = 10.4% This is in line with reports of vaccinated covid deaths across the country which are running in range of 5% to 15%.

 

[Flopper]

I do not doubt the epidemic will end and the temporary immunity of these vaccines will have helped.
I do not believe more than 4 months after the last injection, there will be any immunity left, because that would require T-cell memory, and if that worked, no booster should have been ever necessary.
I believe the booster is a scam to cover up the fact there is no T-cell memory at all, and it is only boosters each adding an additional 4 months.
But I could be wrong.
Could be the vax worked fine.
Doesn't matter once the epidemic is over.
However, the point is that "flattening the curve" to wait for a vaccine is wrong.
Next epidemic, and there is always going to be another, requires what Gen. George Washington did in 1777.

One Vaccination, Under God: When George Washington Kept a Smallpox Epidemic From Costing Him the American Revolution

Smallpox vaccination was banned in America during the Revolutionary War, but George Washington was determined to protect his army no matter what.

www.mentalfloss.com

{...
Despite his efforts, smallpox was already wreaking havoc on the existing troops. In May 1776, for example, Major General John Thomas lost somewhere between one third to one half of his 10,000 soldiers to smallpox during a siege on Quebec (which they did not win), and Thomas himself died of the disease on June 2.

“The smallpox is ten times more terrible than Britons, Canadians, and Indians together,” John Adams wrote.

In February 1777, Washington told Continental Congress president John Hancock that he saw no other way to prevent the spread of the disease than to inoculate the whole army. By the end of the year, variolation had been performed on about 40,000 soldiers, and infection rates plummeted from 20 percent to a measly 1 percent. Soon after that, legislators across the fledgling nation did away with variolation prohibition.

While Washington has long been lauded for leading American revolutionaries to victory on the battlefield, his shrewd foresight and strong leadership in the face of disease was just as, if not more, important.

“A compelling case can be made that his swift response to the smallpox epidemic and to a policy of inoculation was the most important strategic decision of his military career,” historian Joseph Ellis told National Geographic.
...}

And to be clear, "variolation" is the deliberate infection of the most healthy volunteers, with the least virulent strain that can be found.
We could have done that last March, and saved half a million lives.

I think the flatten of curve was to allow hospitals time to recovery. At that time hospitals were totally unprepared, shortages of vents, shortages of protective gear, and shortage of medical supplies but most of all shortages of beds and personnel. This is one of the things that came out of this epidemic, our hospitals were seriously unprepared to deal with a life threatening epidemic. And strangely, the CDC which is recognized as the world premier leader when it comes to fighting epidemics was certainly unprepared. In general, I think the whole country was unprepared. It was just unthinkable that there would be an epidemic that would kill over 700,000 in less than 2 years in a country with one of the most advanced healthcare systems.

 

[Rigby5]

No
The cumulative breakthrough deaths were 117 for week of 6/16/2021
The cumulative breakthrough deaths the previous week was 106
Therefore there were 11 deaths in that week (117-106) that were vaccinated
The percent of covid deaths that were vaccinated is the number of vaccinated covid deaths divide by the total number of covid deaths. You can not determine the total number of covid deaths by looking at breakthrough deaths. However you can get an approximation by looking at the 7 day average deaths in the graph in the link you provided which is 15/day over 7 days which would be 105 total deaths for the week 6/16/21.

So the % of Covid deaths for that week would be 11/105 = 10.4% This is in line with reports of vaccinated covid deaths across the country which are running in range of 5% to 15%.

Yes the mRNA vax does reduce deaths.
But it is doing that by acting as an immuno-suppressant, or by acting as a vaccine should?

 

[Rigby5]

I think the flatten of curve was to allow hospitals time to recovery. At that time hospitals were totally unprepared, shortages of vents, shortages of protective gear, and shortage of medical supplies but most of all shortages of beds and personnel. This is one of the things that came out of this epidemic, our hospitals were seriously unprepared to deal with a life threatening epidemic. And strangely, the CDC which is recognized as the world premier leader when it comes to fighting epidemics was certainly unprepared. In general, I think the whole country was unprepared. It was just unthinkable that there would be an epidemic that would kill over 700,000 in less than 2 years in a country with one of the most advanced healthcare systems.

Unlike China and Italy, we had months of warning.

And yet, how could the NIH, CDC, and WHO be unprepared, when they were aware of the enhancement research being done at Wuhan?

Nor do I think there was ever a shortage of ventilators because I do not think they ever should have been used.
You can't force air into lungs filled with fluid.
That simply is impossible.

It is not at all hard to imagine an epidemic killing 700,000 in less than 2 years.
That is only 29k per month, which is on the low side for seasonal flu.
My point is that they took a seasonal flu type of event, and deliberately stretched it out continually for 2 whole years,
The total is irrelevant if it could have been sped up and be done with much earlier, through variolation,

 

[Colin norris]

From the top, I am not "anti-vax". So please do not go there. I am posting this as a person with extensive knowledge in the medical field and simply posting empirical observations.

Modified RNA vaccines (mRNA) are designed to look for common parts of a virus. This makes creating a quick vaccine very easy but it also has negative problems that we are now having to deal with.

Modified RNA vaccines look for "parts" of the virus, not the virus itself. While they will lessen the severity if you do become infected, once the antibodies are gone its the same as never having seen the virus, as you body did not have to heal and create B and T cells in your bone marrow. The antibodies were triggered by a part of a virus and not the virus, in this case, the "spike proteins". You gain no long term protections.

This is also why you can become infectious to others. The virus grows unabated until there are sufficient "spike proteins" to trigger a response from your immune system. This is why people get ill, become infective, but have very mild cases. It is the lack of healing and the trigger by spike proteins which stops the body from creating long term immunities in B and T cells. Once your antibodies are gone from this mRNA vaccine your body has never seen or reacted to the actual virus, you are now a walking time bomb again to have a very sever case.

In summary;

* The "trigger" for your immune system is the spike proteins and not the virus. The human bodies immune system never trains itself to look for the virus. No long term immunity is formed.

* Once the active antibodies are gone from a mRNA virus you are again at risk to become ill. Without the formation of long term immunities in your bone marrow which look for the virus you do not gain these.

* Because the mRNA vaccine trains the body to look for the 'spike proteins', the virus will run rampant until it creates sufficient mass to trigger the antibody response from the spike proteins. This time period allows the viral load to amass and the person to become infective to others. The body never responds to the virus as a threat. The antibodies will attack anything that has the spike proteins present so it kills the infection.

* mRNA antibodies rapidly decrease at 3-4 months. By 5-9 months they are insufficient to foster further protections.

* mRNA vaccines cause swelling of cardiac tissues in persons under the age of 25 and blood clots in women.

The studies coming out about the efficacy of the mRNA vaccines is stunning. Problems, like viral transmission, were not foreseen by the creator of the method. While this method does make early vaccine intervention possible, it is not a long term solution to endemic viruses such as COVID-19. Using identifiable parts of a virus can give some protection to mutation outbreaks, if the right part is used, but it can also have unforeseen bad outcomes.

In My Opinion, the fact that mRNA vaccine are incapable of creating long term memory and immunities makes them a stop gap measure until a more suitable vaccine can be created which does. Now Europe is seeing its third wave because of waning vaccine antibodies. Something needs to change fast or this will cycle never stop. I am glad that I have had the virus and have acquired (non-vaccine) driven immunities. My body has long term memory cells so my problem is over as far as COVID 19 is concerned.

References:

Efficacy and Safety of the mRNA-1273 SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine - PubMed

The mRNA-1273 vaccine showed 94.1% efficacy at preventing Covid-19 illness, including severe disease. Aside from transient local and systemic reactions, no safety concerns were identified. (Funded by the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority and the National Institute of Allergy...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

You're not anti vaxxer????

Pull the other leg son. It plays jingle bells.

 

[Rigby5]

You're not anti vaxxer????

Pull the other leg son. It plays jingle bells.

There is no reason to believe these mRNA injections are anything like a vaccine.
They do not contain a virus, they do not seem to go into immune system memory and last, they decrease immune response instead of increase it, and they have over 10 times the side effect death rates and injuries like heart attacks and amputations.

 

[ClaireH]

Unlike China and Italy, we had months of warning.

And yet, how could the NIH, CDC, and WHO be unprepared, when they were aware of the enhancement research being done at Wuhan?

Nor do I think there was ever a shortage of ventilators because I do not think they ever should have been used.
You can't force air into lungs filled with fluid.
That simply is impossible.

It is not at all hard to imagine an epidemic killing 700,000 in less than 2 years.
That is only 29k per month, which is on the low side for seasonal flu.
My point is that they took a seasonal flu type of event, and deliberately stretched it out continually for 2 whole years,
The total is irrelevant if it could have been sped up and be done with much earlier, through variolation,

I’ll add another thought about NIH -they are claiming to be totally in the dark about what their grantees are up to -now that’s interesting to say the least!

 

[LordBrownTrout]

No
The cumulative breakthrough deaths were 117 for week of 6/16/2021
The cumulative breakthrough deaths the previous week was 106
Therefore there were 11 deaths in that week (117-106) that were vaccinated
The percent of covid deaths that were vaccinated is the number of vaccinated covid deaths divide by the total number of covid deaths. You can not determine the total number of covid deaths by looking at breakthrough deaths. However you can get an approximation by looking at the 7 day average deaths in the graph in the link you provided which is 15/day over 7 days which would be 105 total deaths for the week 6/16/21.

So the % of Covid deaths for that week would be 11/105 = 10.4% This is in line with reports of vaccinated covid deaths across the country which are running in range of 5% to 15%.

No, from everyone I've talked to one doctors, nurses, etc it's about 50/50 vaxed/unvaxed. I think it may weaken the virus in some folks but the injection is still doing great harm to the immune system. Here's Ireland, strange.

Pandemic of the Vaccinated: Ireland Hits Grim Milestone Despite Being 90% Vaxxed

Ireland is the model nation in the European Union when it comes to the universal vaccination narrative. 90.11% of their

noqreport.com

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Vaccinated People Also Spread the Delta Variant, Yearlong Study Shows

People inoculated against Covid-19 are just as likely to spread the delta variant of the virus to contacts in their household as those who haven’t had shots, according to new research.

www.bloomberg.com

So..... the injection is not enough to prevent one from getting infected BUT... ..............................."it is essential for unvaccinated to get vaccinated to protect themselves" Huh?

“Our findings show that vaccination alone is not enough to prevent people from being infected with the delta variant and spreading it in household settings,” said Ajit Lalvani, a professor of infectious diseases at Imperial College London who co-led the study. “The ongoing transmission we are seeing between vaccinated people makes it essential for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated to protect themselves.”

 

[Colin norris]

There is no reason to believe these mRNA injections are anything like a vaccine.
They do not contain a virus, they do not seem to go into immune system memory and last, they decrease immune response instead of increase it, and they have over 10 times the side effect death rates and injuries like heart attacks and amputations.

How could you possibly know all the things you've said with certainty? There's no evidence on earth to prove that but a Neville nobody from nowhere has medical experience to predict all that without a stroke of qualifications.
You're right to idiot statements doesn't include the right to assume it is fact.
I'll say you invented that bullshit as a pathetic defence for hating Biden and being an anti vaxxer.

 

[krichton]

Wrong.
The Sinovac does use covid virus, and it does exceed 90% efficacy after 3 boosters.
The main advantage is that then immunity is life long.

The J&J and AstrZenica use a different vector, not covid.

It is not propaganda to point out the reality is that you can't force your own cells to grow spike proteins, and then expect your immune system to trigger on covid virus in the future.

And it is your links that are outright propaganda lies.
All real studies say that natural immunity acquired through recovery is vastly superior to these mRNA injection immunities, both in strength and duration.

Wrong!

LOL. Aside from the lie that ppl are taking 3 BOOSTERS of Sinovac, I gotta say, making such a claim actually makes any argument for Sinovac much worse. Taking 3 boosters is essentially equivalent to overdosing yourself, and you're telling ppl that Sinovac has achieved 90% efficacy as a result., lmao, good one. Sinovac has never achieved 90% efficacy at preventing covid infection, ever. Stop the junk science and lies.

As of right now, Pfizer produces 10x more antibodies than Sinovac after the second dose. After 6 months, antibodies in ppl vaccinated with Sinovac are at near undetectable levels in the vast majority of ppl. So much for your claim that traditional vaccines are better.

BioNTech Shot Produces 10 Times More Antibodies Than Sinovac, Study Finds

There is a substantial gap in the amount of antibodies that mRNA and inactivated vaccines can generate against the virus that causes Covid-19, according to a Hong Kong study, in the latest finding on what may have contributed to the varied outcomes following mass vaccination using different...

www.bloomberg.com

Antibodies from Sinovac's COVID-19 shot fade after about 6 months, booster helps - study

Antibodies triggered by Sinovac Biotech's (SVA.O) COVID-19 vaccine declined below a key threshold from around six months after a second dose for most recipients, but a third shot had a strong booster effect, a lab study showed.

www.reuters.com

As for Moderna, it produces significantly more than twice the number of antibodies as the Pfizer vaccine. Moderna is so strong it's even nearly 87% effective against delta infection still.

Moderna Vaccine Highly Effective Against DeltaâBut Protection Against Infection May Wane Over Time, New Data Suggests

The company said it believes booster shots are necessary “to maintain high levels of protection” as it saw 36% more “breakthrough infections” in people who got the vaccine last year.

www.forbes.com

Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine proves effective against multiple SARS-CoV-2 variants, including delta

Researchers in the United States have demonstrated the real-world effectiveness of Moderna’s mRNA-1273 vaccine at protecting against infection with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and preventing hospitalization due to coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

www.news-medical.net

Moderna vs. Pfizer: Is One Vaccine Stronger Against the Delta Variant?

With many now able to choose which COVID vaccine they receive, questions surrounding which offers better protection against the now-surging delta variant have spiked.

www.nbcchicago.com

MRNA is the future.

 

[Rigby5]

Wrong!

LOL. Aside from the lie that ppl are taking 3 BOOSTERS of Sinovac, I gotta say, making such a claim actually makes any argument for Sinovac much worse. Taking 3 boosters is essentially equivalent to overdosing yourself, and you're telling ppl that Sinovac has achieved 90% efficacy as a result., lmao, good one. Sinovac has never achieved 90% efficacy at preventing covid infection, ever. Stop the junk science and lies.

As of right now, Pfizer produces 10x more antibodies than Sinovac after the second dose. After 6 months, antibodies in ppl vaccinated with Sinovac are at near undetectable levels in the vast majority of ppl. So much for your claim that traditional vaccines are better.

BioNTech Shot Produces 10 Times More Antibodies Than Sinovac, Study Finds

There is a substantial gap in the amount of antibodies that mRNA and inactivated vaccines can generate against the virus that causes Covid-19, according to a Hong Kong study, in the latest finding on what may have contributed to the varied outcomes following mass vaccination using different...

www.bloomberg.com

Antibodies from Sinovac's COVID-19 shot fade after about 6 months, booster helps - study

Antibodies triggered by Sinovac Biotech's (SVA.O) COVID-19 vaccine declined below a key threshold from around six months after a second dose for most recipients, but a third shot had a strong booster effect, a lab study showed.

www.reuters.com

As for Moderna, it produces significantly more than twice the number of antibodies as the Pfizer vaccine. Moderna is so strong it's even nearly 87% effective against delta infection still.

Moderna Vaccine Highly Effective Against DeltaâBut Protection Against Infection May Wane Over Time, New Data Suggests

The company said it believes booster shots are necessary “to maintain high levels of protection” as it saw 36% more “breakthrough infections” in people who got the vaccine last year.

www.forbes.com

Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine proves effective against multiple SARS-CoV-2 variants, including delta

Researchers in the United States have demonstrated the real-world effectiveness of Moderna’s mRNA-1273 vaccine at protecting against infection with severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and preventing hospitalization due to coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

www.news-medical.net

Moderna vs. Pfizer: Is One Vaccine Stronger Against the Delta Variant?

With many now able to choose which COVID vaccine they receive, questions surrounding which offers better protection against the now-surging delta variant have spiked.

www.nbcchicago.com

MRNA is the future.

Wrong.
The point of dividing the Sinovac up into 3 shots is to avoid a negative reaction, not that the vaccine is not effective,

Making antibodies is a treatment, not a vaccine that acts as a preventive by putting immunity into T-cell memory.
The Sinovac puts immunity into T-cell memory, the mRNA injections do not,
mRNA is worthless and invalid completely as a vaccine.

 

[krichton]

Vaccinated People Also Spread the Delta Variant, Yearlong Study Shows

People inoculated against Covid-19 are just as likely to spread the delta variant of the virus to contacts in their household as those who haven’t had shots, according to new research.

www.bloomberg.com

So..... the injection is not enough to prevent one from getting infected BUT... ..............................."it is essential for unvaccinated to get vaccinated to protect themselves" Huh?

“Our findings show that vaccination alone is not enough to prevent people from being infected with the delta variant and spreading it in household settings,” said Ajit Lalvani, a professor of infectious diseases at Imperial College London who co-led the study. “The ongoing transmission we are seeing between vaccinated people makes it essential for unvaccinated people to get vaccinated to protect themselves.”

Because it reduces hospitalization and death at up to 95%, that's why. The majority of the ppl dying from covid breakthroughts are typically severely immunocompromised and hospitalizations are usually from those same ppl. This one simple fact doesn't seem to get through to you ppl because you're so invested in your moronic lies spanning anywhere from claims of 5G tapping in vaccines to magnets to how it alters your dna, etc, etc.. You are a bunch of children, too afraid to get a needle shot, and are making up stories to justify why you can't get it. It's really sad, like seriously.

 

[krichton]

Wrong.
The point of dividing the Sinovac up into 3 shots is to avoid a negative reaction, not that the vaccine is not effective,

Making antibodies is a treatment, not a vaccine that acts as a preventive by putting immunity into T-cell memory.
The Sinovac puts immunity into T-cell memory, the mRNA injections do not,
mRNA is worthless and invalid completely as a vaccine.

Wrong

You said boosters. Boosters are not part of the initial vaccine dosing of two shots.

Sinovac is no more special at this than any other covid vaccine including the MRNA ones. However with Sinovac's failure to even produce enough antibodies to adequately protect ppl in the first place raises a lot more questions about it's overall efficacy than MRNA ever would. I'm not surprised that you would gravitate towards the most questionable vaccine out of all of them.