Open letter published to fight "Cancel Culture"

[JoeB131]

What is cancel culture ?

It's what bigots whine about when they get fired for being bigots.

 

[pknopp]

Freedom of speech and expression is the most LIBERAL of ALL our values.

It's ILLIBERAL to distort it.

Replying is NOT distorting it.

Yes, I'll say it again: The problem is the punishment and intimidation.

We just have two different definitions of freedom of expression.

That's also known as retaliation and in some cases is unlawful.

I'd rather see it fade away culturally and keep the government out of it.

It's illiberal.

Are you saying that you expect people to self-regulate?

What I'm saying is that freedom of speech and expression is the most LIBERAL of all of our values, and that I support it.

So, I agree with Noam Chomsky on this and other issues.

Examples of others who agree with me:

Where has the government gotten involved and where has anyone stopped her (and others) from saying whatever they want?

Never, that I'm aware of. And, of course, I have made it abundantly clear already that that is not my point.

You're fine with it. I agree with President Obama, Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, Noam Chomsky, Salman freakin' Rushdie and many other liberals on this.

We disagree. And I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

What exactly are you disagreeing with? The only thing I've been able to determine is the new label to a very old thing.

Free speech has never meant that there would never be any repurcussions because of that speech.

Why are their repercussions for saying all lives matter..or wearing a shirt that says all lives splatter ...or getting denied entry to college becuase youre a trump supporter

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A vast generalization (outside of one example).

People post "All Lives Matter" all over the place. Nothing happens to them.

Law enforcement officials have to be careful with what they do or it can show a bias in a court of law. An employer has always been able to take actions upon your actions and that has nothing to do with free speech.

I said I disagreed with suspending the student. She had no right to not be countered though which is all that has happened to J.K.

Uh boy
its not a vast generalization its been snowballing for decades now and is only getting progressively worse.
I can't wait till the elites move to kill all these useful idiots .
I'm gonna piss on thier empty headed graves

There are simply more venues to express an agreement or disagreement now.

 

[JoeB131]

Thank goodness. It's about time some well-known voices spoke out against "Cancel Culture".

J.K. Rowling, Bari Weiss Sign Letter Calling for Open Debate

J.K. Rowling, Bari Weiss, Noam Chomsky, and more than 100 other writers, scholars, and academics signed an open letter calling for "open debate" and an end to cancel culture, sparking backlash from both liberal and conservative pundits.

www.mediaite.com

The letter addressed the nationwide Black Lives Matter protests and calls to defund the police — acknowledging that the demands are over due while warning against cancel culture and being intolerant of differences.

“But this needed reckoning has also intensified a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments that tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favor of ideological conformity,” the letter read. “The democratic inclusion we want can be achieved only if we speak out against the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides.”

The letter warned that liberals are forming their own version of censorship, one that President Donald Trump and “right-wing demagogues” thrive off of.

“This stifling atmosphere will ultimately harm the most vital causes of our time,” the letter added. “The restriction of debate, whether by a repressive government or an intolerant society, invariably hurts those who lack power and makes everyone less capable of democratic participation.”

Translation, the Former Bag Lady who wrote some kiddy books got caught being a transphobic idiot, and instead of realizing her mistake, kept doubling down on it.

Wow, when Billionaires call themselves victims, it's just obscene.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

What is cancel culture ?

It's what bigots whine about when they get fired for being bigots.

We noticed that everyone the left disagrees with is a bigot and a racist ...because youre simplistic morons ...

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

People post "All Lives Matter" all over the place. Nothing happens to them.

What SHOULD happen to them?

 

[JoeB131]

We noticed that everyone the left disagrees with is a bigot and a racist ...because youre simplistic morons ...

naw, we usually point out the bigotry when we see it.

Let's not forget, this all started when JK didn't want to call Trans women as women, even though that is what they identify as. She kept escalating until the LGBT community finally got fed up with her shit and slapped back.

Frankly, I'm kind of mystified by this whole thing. I think I've known two Trans people in my entire life.... it's a lot of effort to expand over something that doesn't really effect you.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What is cancel culture ?

It's what bigots whine about when they get fired for being bigots.

"Bigot" meaning they disagree with you.

 

[JoeB131]

What SHOULD happen to them?

They should be told exactly why they are idiots for saying it? But they'd probably go on being idiots.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

naw, we usually point out the bigotry when we see it.

AKA they disagree with you.

 

[pknopp]

I'm reading another article and it seems she is upset with "Public Shaming" of people for what they say.

That is a cornerstone of society. We get nowhere as a society if people never spoke up to say "you are wrong".

 

[pknopp]

naw, we usually point out the bigotry when we see it.

AKA they disagree with you.

Sure, and you have as much of a right to say so.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Whoops

NBA announcer Grant Napear fired over ‘All Lives Matter’ comment

Grant Napear was fired by his radio station and resigned as the Sacramento Kings TV play-by-play announcer Tuesday after his tweet that said “All Lives Matter” amid the George Floyd pro…

nypost.com

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What SHOULD happen to them?

They should be told exactly why they are idiots for saying it? But they'd probably go on being idiots.

I never thought I would see the day when the phrase "all lives matter" is deemed reprehensable.

The left, folks. There it is.

 

[JoeB131]

"Bigot" meaning they disagree with you.

Naw, man. I'd never call anyone a bigot for disagreeing with me on abortion or gun control or taxes.

I will call them a bigot when they rationalize police misconduct or think it's okay to discriminate against gays.

 

[pknopp]

Deciding you don't want to purchase the work of someone you disagree with is not censorship.

Now if the government decides to not allow her to speak, then I'll join her.

Where did you come up with that definition?

Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient."

Censorship - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Saying "I disagree with you" is not censorship. Who has stopped J.K. from talking?

 

[pknopp]

People post "All Lives Matter" all over the place. Nothing happens to them.

What SHOULD happen to them?

People who understand what they are actually saying should counter them.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I'm reading another article and it seems she is upset with "Public Shaming" of people for what they say.

That is a cornerstone of society. We get nowhere as a society if people never spoke up to say "you are wrong".

If it were just "you are wrong" followed by reasonable discourse on WHY, nobody would have a problem.

But, it's not.

It's "you are a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenomorph" with no discourse and a demand for punishment.

Completely NOT liberal!!!

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

People post "All Lives Matter" all over the place. Nothing happens to them.

What SHOULD happen to them?

People who understand what they are actually saying should counter them.

Or fire them? Stone them? Etc.

Some people have a lit to answer for.

 

[gtopa1]

Freedom of speech and expression is the most LIBERAL of ALL our values.

It's ILLIBERAL to distort it.

It's CONSERVATIVE to maintain it!!!!

Greg

 

[martybegan]

Deciding you don't want to purchase the work of someone you disagree with is not censorship.

Now if the government decides to not allow her to speak, then I'll join her.

Calling for companies to fire someone because you disagree with them is, it just isn't government censorship.

It's petty and cruel, especially over things like words a person says.