One question for all of you...

[rightwinger]

Did those of you race hustlers that proclaim it was a racist crime have access to as much information as the prosecutors, the jury and the judge had in the Zimmerman trial?

Did any of you that disputed the verdict have MORE information available then the jury?

Finally do any of you have evidence this was racially motivated, therefore infringing on Martin's civil rights?

That is three questions

 

[KevinWestern]

I'd like to ask the same question of those who are calling TM a thug. He didn't even get a trial. Instead it was summary execution at the hands of a busybody who made a report to the police, but didn't follow advice to break off pursuit.

I dunno, Konradv. Too simplified.

How many executions (do you know) include the person who's about to be executed beating the shit out of the executioner, first?

The fact is these two were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Zimmerman I believe provoked the fight (by trailing Martin), but at the end of the day the kid threw some hard punches, Zimmerman was screaming, and there was NOT enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense at the time he shot Martin.

Zimmerman was wrong to follow, and Martin made a bad decision to beat him into a bloody pulp.

Not sure why this had to become a case about racism...

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Because he was released like he jaywalked and black people KNOW you don't get out that fast especially for a murder

Not even OJ? Anyways, jokes aside...

I could see perhaps why folks aren't mad about the lack of a manslaughter charge (he did pursue Trayvon), but unfortunately there was simply not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that (a) Zimmerman pursued Trayvon after dispatcher told him to lay off, and (b) that Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense when he shot and killed Martin.

It stinks, but those are the facts. Not enough evidence, and therefore the jury had to do what they had to do. We can't charge our jurors to simply speculate as to what happened, right?

 

[healthmyths]

Did those of you race hustlers that proclaim it was a racist crime have access to as much information as the prosecutors, the jury and the judge had in the Zimmerman trial?

Did any of you that disputed the verdict have MORE information available then the jury?

Finally do any of you have evidence this was racially motivated, therefore infringing on Martin's civil rights?

I wonder how long we will be plagued with Zimmerman/Martin topics. I would use OJ or Rodney King as a precedent, but we did not have the internet back then.

Here is how I see it. Zimmerman could have avoided killing that kid. I think Zimmerman is an asshole. He's a cop wannabe and he dreamed of the day when he would be able to confront some black punk kid in his hood.

The shooting was entirely unavoidable, but that would not have fit into Zimmerman's wet dream.


Martin was a fist looking for a mouth to punch. There are indications he was a thief. Whether or not he was in that neighborhood to steal something that night is up in the air. We will never know.

These two unstable assholes converged at a place and point in time where someone was going to be hurt or killed.

Entirely unavoidable, but neither of them was looking to avoid a confrontation. They had both been looking for a fight long before that night, and one of them is now dead.

This in no way makes Zimmerman a hero nor Martin a martyr.

A couple of assholes met on the street one night and one of them killed the other.


There once were two cats in Kilkenny
Each cat thought there was one cat too many
They scratched and they spit
They fought and they bit
And now instead of two cats there aren't any

Were you there? What gives you more knowledge about the entire events then the jury?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Every Jury and every decision isn't a correct one Health. Geez lay off the dope

 

[BobPlumb]

I think i' m going to find a three year old to get into a "did not" -- "did too" argument.

 

[healthmyths]

The evidence admitted into the record shows that Zimmerman was going back to his car when the attack began. This means that Martin had to go back there to confront him. There are three recorded emergency conversations that establish the time line. Martin had no bruises except those on his knuckles from hitting Zimmerman. Zimmerman had a broken nose (set by the EMT on the scene), bruising all over his head and lacerations to the back of his head. Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he fired his gun - within four inches of the gun barrel. There was no evidence that any of this was untrue. All the evidence corroborated Zimmerman's account of the events. Martin was in the process of committing a felony when he was shot. Zimmerman had no other defense than to use his holstered, legally carried, gun to stop the attack that he reasonably assumed could cause grievous harm or death.

The same law applies to everyone. This is the basis of our right to self defense. Zimmerman had no option to leave the attack - he was on his back being hit repeatedly. There was no escape by leaving the area. This is not about "stand your ground" it is pure self defense.

All the conjecture and assumptions you can present simply do not fit the timeline and the evidence in this case. Zimmerman was found not guilty of any crime. His innocence that was presumed is intact.

The evidence admitted into the record shows that Zimmerman was going back to his car when the attack began. This means that Martin had to go back there to confront him. There are three recorded emergency conversations that establish the time line. Martin had no bruises except those on his knuckles from hitting Zimmerman. Zimmerman had a broken nose (set by the EMT on the scene), bruising all over his head and lacerations to the back of his head. Martin was on top of Zimmerman when he fired his gun - within four inches of the gun barrel. There was no evidence that any of this was untrue. All the evidence corroborated Zimmerman's account of the events. Martin was in the process of committing a felony when he was shot. Zimmerman had no other defense than to use his holstered, legally carried, gun to stop the attack that he reasonably assumed could cause grievous harm or death.

The same law applies to everyone. This is the basis of our right to self defense. Zimmerman had no option to leave the attack - he was on his back being hit repeatedly. There was no escape by leaving the area. This is not about "stand your ground" it is pure self defense.

All the conjecture and assumptions you can present simply do not fit the timeline and the evidence in this case. Zimmerman was found not guilty of any crime. His innocence that was presumed is intact.

Zimmerman got out of his car after being told not to by the dispatcher.

Martin would be alive today if Zimmerman had done as he was told.


Martin could have simply spoken to Zimmerman with a little respect, and not flown off the handle.

Martin would be alive today if he had done that.



They were both a couple of assholes looking for a fight.

How do you know Zimmerman didn't go back to his vehicle was attacked by Martin?
Did Zimmerman when asked if he OBEYED the Dispatcher but he didn't according to you?
How do you know?