One of the main objectives of our Constitution

[Rigby5]

As we all know (or should know), Amendments come later.

WRONG!

No state was at all willing to sign onto the Constitution, so they added the Bill of Rights to limit government more clearly.
The Bill of Rights did NOT "come later".

 

[Rigby5]

The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription

Note: The following text is a transcription of the Constitution as it was inscribed by Jacob Shallus on parchment (the document on display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum.) The spelling and punctuation reflect the original.

www.archives.gov

Are their any limitations placed on the federal government within the articles I through VII?

Absolutely.
By stating exactly what the federal government is authorized to do, then everything that is NOT included in that authorization, is automatically a limitation.
That was emphasized by the 9th and 10th amendments.

 

[Rigby5]

At best, the above is nonsensical.



The US Constitution supplanted the Article of Confederation - yes.



Using "proper" in this context is weirdly bizarre.



I don't believe anybody posits the US Constitution be looked at without the Bill of Rights. The conversation here in this thread started out with what the US Constitution was "meant" or not meant to be about -- in a silly meme. It's about a period of time, a snap shot in time, of the founding (as we call it).

give your brain a rest

Wrong.
No state was willing to accept the Constitution, so the Bill of Rights was essential in order to get ANY state to join the federation.
And the whole point of the Bill of Rights is to limit the federal government.

 

[Rigby5]

Gibberish on steroids

Wrong.
The Founders did not trust a federal level government after the problems they had with the British government.
The constantly said so, and created the Articles of Confederation first, as a trial in setting such extreme limits on the federal government, that it was totally unworkable.
The Constitution was only slightly more lax in allowing the federal government power, but still was intended to be strongly restricted.
The obvious example is that there was at first to be no standing federal army, and even in the Civil War, it was still the states that owned, armed, uniformed, and paid the different divisions that were temporarily put under federal control.

 

[sparky]

Wrong.
The Founders did not trust a federal level government after the problems they had with the British government.
The constantly said so, and created the Articles of Confederation first, as a trial in setting such extreme limits on the federal government, that it was totally unworkable.
The Constitution was only slightly more lax in allowing the federal government power, but still was intended to be strongly restricted.
The obvious example is that there was at first to be no standing federal army, and even in the Civil War, it was still the states that owned, armed, uniformed, and paid the different divisions that were temporarily put under federal control.

have we come full circle Rigs?

~S~

 

[whitehall]

The post is a freaking cliche. The Constitution was the greatest document ever written and changed the face of governments forever. It's a complicated issue but some conduct needs to be restrained in order for the majority to be free.

 

[rightwinger]

And what is the purpose of defining the government?
You do that so that you can prevent the government from expanding and being abusive.

And clearly the federal government has expanded to the point of being abusive.
For example, there is no authority to regulate drugs, medicine, firearms, gambling, alcohol, etc.
Economic sanctions, like against Russian oil, is totally illegal and in violation of the 4th amendment.
If someone wants to buy pharmaceuticals from China and sell them here, the feds get no say legally.

Those are illegal?
Can you identify any court case that defines them as illegal?

That is why the Constitution created courts

 

[Captain Caveman]

I wish I got a quid every time a Yank said, "Constitution". I would be richer than Musk after 30 minutes, I would be a trillionaire in a matter of hours. Every country has a constitution, but fuck me, you Yanks know how to milk it.

I would be the first Gargoogolplexianthaire.

 

[Baron]

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If one studies the Constitution and comprehends it, then the above meme is self-evidently correct.

To whatever extent any of our liberals wish to contest the truth of what that meme says, the only thing your argument demonstrates is that you don’t grasp the Constitution.

Few years ago the Constitution had been replaced by QR-codes, tens of millions got killed by the quackcine, there were numerous human rights violations, but no one pays for it
When citizens are idiots no one constitution can protect them

 

[ThisIsMe]

Yup

But the purpose of the document is to define the government

And to limit it

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Yes. Really.

And the bill of rights were promised as an inducement to ratify the Constitution. They are now PART OF the Constitution.

And the Constitution tells the government where it has authority and enumerates the powers given to government. The rest it reserves to the States and the People.

It tells government what it may not do. It doesn’t tell citizens what we may not do.

The document was drafted and signed by privileged colonial white men, no black person or native American participated so how can such an undertaking be described as constraining the government rather than constraining the people (unless of course black and native people aren't actually people).

This is why some call you Twat Again, it's a far more accurate moniker for you.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I wish I got a quid every time a Yank said, "Constitution". I would be richer than Musk after 30 minutes, I would be a trillionaire in a matter of hours.

Every country has a constitution,

Israel doesn't.

but fuck me, you Yanks know how to milk it.

I would be the first Gargoogolplexianthaire.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Israel doesn't.

Israel does, just like New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, UK, and Canada, it's Uncodified. That means it's not in one written document.

Uncodified Constitution is an unknown concept to Yanks.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Israel does, just like New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, UK, and Canada, it's Uncodified. That means it's not in one written document.

Uncodified Constitution is an unknown concept to Yanks.

 

[Captain Caveman]

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Correct it has AN UNCODIFIED CONSTITUTION WHICH IS AN UNWRITTEN CONSTITUTION you utter thick bellend

A codified constitution is written in a document, an uncodified constitution is found across several documents

Uncodified constitution - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[boevans]

Yes. Really.

And the bill of rights were promised as an inducement to ratify the Constitution. They are now PART OF the Constitution.

And the Constitution tells the government where it has authority and enumerates the powers given to government. The rest it reserves to the States and the People.

It tells government what it may not do. It doesn’t tell citizens what we may not do.

Read the Bill of Rights again.

 

[Curried Goats]

And it's relationship to citizens. The Founders started with the Enlightment principles regarding individuals.

I wouldn't characterize slavers and human traffickers as enlightened but that's just me.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Correct it has AN UNCODIFIED CONSTITUTION WHICH IS AN UNWRITTEN CONSTITUTION you utter thick bellend

A codified constitution is written in a document, an uncodified constitution is found across several documents

Uncodified constitution - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

An unwritten constitution isn't worth the paper it's not written on.

 

[boedicca]

I wouldn't characterize slavers and human traffickers as enlightened but that's just me.

A little bit of historical perspective wouldn't hurt you, bub. Slavery-Serfdom has been the most common condition of all humans who have ever lived. Judeo-Christian informed Enlightenment values, combined with Capitalism and the Industrial revolution resulted in ending slavery in the Western World and lifted the vast majority out of poverty.

If you are so concerned about slavery, you would be better served to focus on ending it where it is still practiced (Middle East, Asia and Africa) - and in ending massive illegal migration into the USA to stop human trafficking.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

A little bit of historical perspective wouldn't hurt you, bub. Slavery-Serfdom has been the most common condition of all humans who have ever lived. Judeo-Christian informed Enlightenment values, combined with Capitalism and the Industrial revolution resulted in ending slavery in the Western World and lifted the vast majority out of poverty.

It was after the enlightenment and during the industrial revolution that the slave trade between Britain and the United States peaked.

If you are so concerned about slavery, you would be better served to focus on ending it where it is still practiced (Middle East, Asia and Africa) - and in ending massive illegal migration into the USA to stop human trafficking.

Do you or do you not agree, that it would be (at best) misleading to refer to wealthy white colonialists commercially benefitting from organized and legislated slavery of non-white people as "enlightened"?