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No arguement there. But the topic is the insistence of some here that America was militarily superior to Japan Dec 1941.Guadicanal was a defensive move in order to keep the Japanese from cutting off Australia. We could have easily lost when the US Navy was forced to retreat. Two good friends of mine were there.America was on the run in the Pacific playing cat and mouse for the first 3 years of the war, with us as the mouse.Japan did attack a country that was stronger.
The United States.
Which is why Japan lost.
Thems the facts.
Untrue. June 4-6, the Battle of Midway and we were going on the offensive after that battle. The Japanese were able to get local superiority in limited areas, such as the Guadalcanal area, but after Midway we were primarily on the hunt.
The Canal was indeed a preemptive attack to prevent the Japanese from finishing their airfield. Annnnnd, it began two months after the decisive Battle of Midway, so is in reality the beginning of the attack on Japanese positions in the Pacific which led inexorably to the utter Japanese defeat just three years later.
The Great Depression, like all depressions, hurt working people the most, so prolonging it hurt them the most.His policies prolonged recovery in private industry and business and for the investor class. The New Deal policies and programs speeded up recovery for the masses and working class. Those policies and programs were used for decades by every President and Congress that followed. Some of them are still being used today. The benefits of the of the trickle up policies are still being used today for sure.The wartime spending was a necessity, beyond the scumbag's choice one way or another. The irresponsible policies were his 'spaghetti on the wall' bullshitting attempts at fucking with the economy in bumbling ignorance during the years before the war that prolonged the depression.
Well the ones hurt most were the unworking people.
The working people- and unworking people- hurt most by the depression- were the ones helped most by Roosevelt- which is why he was so popular among with American voters.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
No arguement there. But the topic is the insistence of some here that America was militarily superior to Japan Dec 1941.Guadicanal was a defensive move in order to keep the Japanese from cutting off Australia. We could have easily lost when the US Navy was forced to retreat. Two good friends of mine were there.America was on the run in the Pacific playing cat and mouse for the first 3 years of the war, with us as the mouse.Japan did attack a country that was stronger.
The United States.
Which is why Japan lost.
Thems the facts.
Untrue. June 4-6, the Battle of Midway and we were going on the offensive after that battle. The Japanese were able to get local superiority in limited areas, such as the Guadalcanal area, but after Midway we were primarily on the hunt.
The Canal was indeed a preemptive attack to prevent the Japanese from finishing their airfield. Annnnnd, it began two months after the decisive Battle of Midway, so is in reality the beginning of the attack on Japanese positions in the Pacific which led inexorably to the utter Japanese defeat just three years later.
Probably more like 43, but yes, the war machine was in gear.No arguement there. But the topic is the insistence of some here that America was militarily superior to Japan Dec 1941.Guadicanal was a defensive move in order to keep the Japanese from cutting off Australia. We could have easily lost when the US Navy was forced to retreat. Two good friends of mine were there.America was on the run in the Pacific playing cat and mouse for the first 3 years of the war, with us as the mouse.
Thems the facts.
Untrue. June 4-6, the Battle of Midway and we were going on the offensive after that battle. The Japanese were able to get local superiority in limited areas, such as the Guadalcanal area, but after Midway we were primarily on the hunt.
The Canal was indeed a preemptive attack to prevent the Japanese from finishing their airfield. Annnnnd, it began two months after the decisive Battle of Midway, so is in reality the beginning of the attack on Japanese positions in the Pacific which led inexorably to the utter Japanese defeat just three years later.
When Japan attacked we weren't. However, less than one year later we were. Dominantly so. We were in fact so dominant that the War Department KNEW we were going to win the war by the middle of 1943 and began cancelling ship orders. Hell they began cancelling all sorts of armaments orders.
The Great Depression, like all depressions, hurt working people the most, so prolonging it hurt them the most.His policies prolonged recovery in private industry and business and for the investor class. The New Deal policies and programs speeded up recovery for the masses and working class. Those policies and programs were used for decades by every President and Congress that followed. Some of them are still being used today. The benefits of the of the trickle up policies are still being used today for sure.The wartime spending was a necessity, beyond the scumbag's choice one way or another. The irresponsible policies were his 'spaghetti on the wall' bullshitting attempts at fucking with the economy in bumbling ignorance during the years before the war that prolonged the depression.
Well the ones hurt most were the unworking people.
The working people- and unworking people- hurt most by the depression- were the ones helped most by Roosevelt- which is why he was so popular among with American voters.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
The Great Depression, like all depressions, hurt working people the most, so prolonging it hurt them the most.His policies prolonged recovery in private industry and business and for the investor class. The New Deal policies and programs speeded up recovery for the masses and working class. Those policies and programs were used for decades by every President and Congress that followed. Some of them are still being used today. The benefits of the of the trickle up policies are still being used today for sure.
Well the ones hurt most were the unworking people.
The working people- and unworking people- hurt most by the depression- were the ones helped most by Roosevelt- which is why he was so popular among with American voters.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
And Hitler tried to help the working class too, doesn't qualify him for praise either.
No arguement there. But the topic is the insistence of some here that America was militarily superior to Japan Dec 1941.Guadicanal was a defensive move in order to keep the Japanese from cutting off Australia. We could have easily lost when the US Navy was forced to retreat. Two good friends of mine were there.America was on the run in the Pacific playing cat and mouse for the first 3 years of the war, with us as the mouse.
Thems the facts.
Untrue. June 4-6, the Battle of Midway and we were going on the offensive after that battle. The Japanese were able to get local superiority in limited areas, such as the Guadalcanal area, but after Midway we were primarily on the hunt.
The Canal was indeed a preemptive attack to prevent the Japanese from finishing their airfield. Annnnnd, it began two months after the decisive Battle of Midway, so is in reality the beginning of the attack on Japanese positions in the Pacific which led inexorably to the utter Japanese defeat just three years later.
No- you claimed that a weaker country never attacked a stronger country- and the United States was stronger on December 6, 1941 than Japan.
Militarily? Arguable- the United States had to protect two coasts.
But stronger- yes- Admiral Yamamoto had warned Japan that we were.
America was filled with a bunch of isolationist pacifists in 41. If we had lost our carriers at Midway FDR would have likely been negotiating with Japan to save Hawaii.No arguement there. But the topic is the insistence of some here that America was militarily superior to Japan Dec 1941.Guadicanal was a defensive move in order to keep the Japanese from cutting off Australia. We could have easily lost when the US Navy was forced to retreat. Two good friends of mine were there.America was on the run in the Pacific playing cat and mouse for the first 3 years of the war, with us as the mouse.
Thems the facts.
Untrue. June 4-6, the Battle of Midway and we were going on the offensive after that battle. The Japanese were able to get local superiority in limited areas, such as the Guadalcanal area, but after Midway we were primarily on the hunt.
The Canal was indeed a preemptive attack to prevent the Japanese from finishing their airfield. Annnnnd, it began two months after the decisive Battle of Midway, so is in reality the beginning of the attack on Japanese positions in the Pacific which led inexorably to the utter Japanese defeat just three years later.
No- you claimed that a weaker country never attacked a stronger country- and the United States was stronger on December 6, 1941 than Japan.
Militarily? Arguable- the United States had to protect two coasts.
But stronger- yes- Admiral Yamamoto had warned Japan that we were.
Probably more like 43, but yes, the war machine was in gear.No arguement there. But the topic is the insistence of some here that America was militarily superior to Japan Dec 1941.Guadicanal was a defensive move in order to keep the Japanese from cutting off Australia. We could have easily lost when the US Navy was forced to retreat. Two good friends of mine were there.Untrue. June 4-6, the Battle of Midway and we were going on the offensive after that battle. The Japanese were able to get local superiority in limited areas, such as the Guadalcanal area, but after Midway we were primarily on the hunt.
The Canal was indeed a preemptive attack to prevent the Japanese from finishing their airfield. Annnnnd, it began two months after the decisive Battle of Midway, so is in reality the beginning of the attack on Japanese positions in the Pacific which led inexorably to the utter Japanese defeat just three years later.
When Japan attacked we weren't. However, less than one year later we were. Dominantly so. We were in fact so dominant that the War Department KNEW we were going to win the war by the middle of 1943 and began cancelling ship orders. Hell they began cancelling all sorts of armaments orders.
The Great Depression, like all depressions, hurt working people the most, so prolonging it hurt them the most.His policies prolonged recovery in private industry and business and for the investor class. The New Deal policies and programs speeded up recovery for the masses and working class. Those policies and programs were used for decades by every President and Congress that followed. Some of them are still being used today. The benefits of the of the trickle up policies are still being used today for sure.
Well the ones hurt most were the unworking people.
The working people- and unworking people- hurt most by the depression- were the ones helped most by Roosevelt- which is why he was so popular among with American voters.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
If he was trying to help the working class why did they not do better? Just like now the wealthy did extremely well under FDR but the working class didn't. I know, I was actually alive at the time he was POTUS ( a mere baby) so got to witness the good, with the bad. Had it not been for WWII the USA would STILL be in a Great Depression. FDR's policies didn't help us get out at all and in fact prolonged the misery far longer than it would have if left to settle naturally.
The Great Depression, like all depressions, hurt working people the most, so prolonging it hurt them the most.
Well the ones hurt most were the unworking people.
The working people- and unworking people- hurt most by the depression- were the ones helped most by Roosevelt- which is why he was so popular among with American voters.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
And Hitler tried to help the working class too, doesn't qualify him for praise either.
Another favorite Conservative tactic is to bring Hitler into the conservation.
Tell me which of these programs promoted by FDR for the working class do you despise the most?
Social Security?
Unemployment Insurance?
The GI Bill?
Bank Depositors Insurance?
And tell me why those remind you of Hitler?
America was filled with a bunch of isolationist pacifists in 41. If we had lost our carriers at Midway FDR would have likely been negotiating with Japan to save Hawaii.No arguement there. But the topic is the insistence of some here that America was militarily superior to Japan Dec 1941.Guadicanal was a defensive move in order to keep the Japanese from cutting off Australia. We could have easily lost when the US Navy was forced to retreat. Two good friends of mine were there.Untrue. June 4-6, the Battle of Midway and we were going on the offensive after that battle. The Japanese were able to get local superiority in limited areas, such as the Guadalcanal area, but after Midway we were primarily on the hunt.
The Canal was indeed a preemptive attack to prevent the Japanese from finishing their airfield. Annnnnd, it began two months after the decisive Battle of Midway, so is in reality the beginning of the attack on Japanese positions in the Pacific which led inexorably to the utter Japanese defeat just three years later.
No- you claimed that a weaker country never attacked a stronger country- and the United States was stronger on December 6, 1941 than Japan.
Militarily? Arguable- the United States had to protect two coasts.
But stronger- yes- Admiral Yamamoto had warned Japan that we were.
Well the ones hurt most were the unworking people.
The working people- and unworking people- hurt most by the depression- were the ones helped most by Roosevelt- which is why he was so popular among with American voters.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
And Hitler tried to help the working class too, doesn't qualify him for praise either.
Another favorite Conservative tactic is to bring Hitler into the conservation.
Tell me which of these programs promoted by FDR for the working class do you despise the most?
Social Security?
Unemployment Insurance?
The GI Bill?
Bank Depositors Insurance?
And tell me why those remind you of Hitler?
That's because progressives the world over LOVED Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini. They absolutely envied his dictatorial powers.
The Great Depression, like all depressions, hurt working people the most, so prolonging it hurt them the most.
Well the ones hurt most were the unworking people.
The working people- and unworking people- hurt most by the depression- were the ones helped most by Roosevelt- which is why he was so popular among with American voters.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
If he was trying to help the working class why did they not do better? Just like now the wealthy did extremely well under FDR but the working class didn't. I know, I was actually alive at the time he was POTUS ( a mere baby) so got to witness the good, with the bad. Had it not been for WWII the USA would STILL be in a Great Depression. FDR's policies didn't help us get out at all and in fact prolonged the misery far longer than it would have if left to settle naturally.
As I have pointed out- World War 2 were FDR's policies on steroids- the very massive government spending and government employment programs that Conservatives claim didn't work did in fact work in World War 2.
By the end of World War 2 the middle class was wealthier than it had been in any time in American history- and the GI Bill primed the pump for those returning GI to be able to go to school, buy homes and start business's.
I was not alive during that time but my mom and dad were, and they witnessed the good and the bad also.
FDR came to office with around 30% unemployment- and when he died in office there was virtually no unemployment.
By 1940, unemployment was down to 9.6%.The Great Depression, like all depressions, hurt working people the most, so prolonging it hurt them the most.
Well the ones hurt most were the unworking people.
The working people- and unworking people- hurt most by the depression- were the ones helped most by Roosevelt- which is why he was so popular among with American voters.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
If he was trying to help the working class why did they not do better? Just like now the wealthy did extremely well under FDR but the working class didn't. I know, I was actually alive at the time he was POTUS ( a mere baby) so got to witness the good, with the bad. Had it not been for WWII the USA would STILL be in a Great Depression. FDR's policies didn't help us get out at all and in fact prolonged the misery far longer than it would have if left to settle naturally.
As I have pointed out- World War 2 were FDR's policies on steroids- the very massive government spending and government employment programs that Conservatives claim didn't work did in fact work in World War 2.
By the end of World War 2 the middle class was wealthier than it had been in any time in American history- and the GI Bill primed the pump for those returning GI to be able to go to school, buy homes and start business's.
I was not alive during that time but my mom and dad were, and they witnessed the good and the bad also.
FDR came to office with around 30% unemployment- and when he died in office there was virtually no unemployment.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
And Hitler tried to help the working class too, doesn't qualify him for praise either.
Another favorite Conservative tactic is to bring Hitler into the conservation.
Tell me which of these programs promoted by FDR for the working class do you despise the most?
Social Security?
Unemployment Insurance?
The GI Bill?
Bank Depositors Insurance?
And tell me why those remind you of Hitler?
That's because progressives the world over LOVED Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini. They absolutely envied his dictatorial powers.
So the GI Bill reminds you of Hitler?
How odd.
Tim McVeigh thought he was helping the working class too. Doesn't earn him praise.The Great Depression, like all depressions, hurt working people the most, so prolonging it hurt them the most.
Well the ones hurt most were the unworking people.
The working people- and unworking people- hurt most by the depression- were the ones helped most by Roosevelt- which is why he was so popular among with American voters.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
And Hitler tried to help the working class too, doesn't qualify him for praise either.
Another favorite Conservative tactic is to bring Hitler into the conservation.
Tell me which of these programs promoted by FDR for the working class do you despise the most?
Social Security?
Unemployment Insurance?
The GI Bill?
Bank Depositors Insurance?
And tell me why those remind you of Hitler?
With the asterisk that most of the tonnage was Liberty ships destined for the Atlantic.Probably more like 43, but yes, the war machine was in gear.No arguement there. But the topic is the insistence of some here that America was militarily superior to Japan Dec 1941.Guadicanal was a defensive move in order to keep the Japanese from cutting off Australia. We could have easily lost when the US Navy was forced to retreat. Two good friends of mine were there.
The Canal was indeed a preemptive attack to prevent the Japanese from finishing their airfield. Annnnnd, it began two months after the decisive Battle of Midway, so is in reality the beginning of the attack on Japanese positions in the Pacific which led inexorably to the utter Japanese defeat just three years later.
When Japan attacked we weren't. However, less than one year later we were. Dominantly so. We were in fact so dominant that the War Department KNEW we were going to win the war by the middle of 1943 and began cancelling ship orders. Hell they began cancelling all sorts of armaments orders.
Nope. We floated more ships in 1942 than the Japanese did in the entire war. They were crushed under the weight of our production.
The Great Depression, like all depressions, hurt working people the most, so prolonging it hurt them the most.His policies prolonged recovery in private industry and business and for the investor class. The New Deal policies and programs speeded up recovery for the masses and working class. Those policies and programs were used for decades by every President and Congress that followed. Some of them are still being used today. The benefits of the of the trickle up policies are still being used today for sure.
Well the ones hurt most were the unworking people.
The working people- and unworking people- hurt most by the depression- were the ones helped most by Roosevelt- which is why he was so popular among with American voters.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
If he was trying to help the working class why did they not do better? Just like now the wealthy did extremely well under FDR but the working class didn't. I know, I was actually alive at the time he was POTUS ( a mere baby) so got to witness the good, with the bad. Had it not been for WWII the USA would STILL be in a Great Depression. FDR's policies didn't help us get out at all and in fact prolonged the misery far longer than it would have if left to settle naturally.
Tim McVeigh thought he was helping the working class too. Doesn't earn him praise.Well the ones hurt most were the unworking people.
The working people- and unworking people- hurt most by the depression- were the ones helped most by Roosevelt- which is why he was so popular among with American voters.
Favorite democrat tactic of manufacturing dependency.
Favorite Conservative tactic: attack FDR because he tried to help the working class that they ignored.
And Hitler tried to help the working class too, doesn't qualify him for praise either.
Another favorite Conservative tactic is to bring Hitler into the conservation.
Tell me which of these programs promoted by FDR for the working class do you despise the most?
Social Security?
Unemployment Insurance?
The GI Bill?
Bank Depositors Insurance?
And tell me why those remind you of Hitler?
Results earn praise.
