On The Smithsonian and Slavery: Trump’s Whitewashing of History

In a thread about the history of race relations.

Why are you still whining about slavery?
According to IM2, from his favorite study......

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Black households have $232 trillion in assets.
That's an average of about $15 million each.

It's not just George and Weezy who made it to the top.
 
Not a single time have you shown this. You Just make the accusation and then never explain what it is that ive said that was racist.
I've shown and explained it numerous times. The fact that you never
''challenge" whites who start real racist threads/posts is evidence of your racism.

No, its evidence that you come here day after day and create these threads accusing everyone if racism because they disagree with you. Thats why I challenge you. You have this idea that the white man is everything wrong with society and that's why I argue with you.
I don't do that. But this is the whining that comes from people who post racist bullshit and then get called on it.

I agree that policies in the past have influenced black people today, there's no doubt about, ive not said otherwise.
The problem is that it's not just policies in the past, and we aren't talking about influence; we are talking about negative impacts.

I am? Where?
Read what you posted. Seems like you right-wingers have a collective case of amnesia.

Is this not the greatest nation on earth?
No. There is no greatest nation on earth. Such beliefs lead to arrogance and it has caused our country to do terrible things to others. Besides, "white man" didn't create this nation by himself.

Well, not exactly. Crime is not prejudice, what people point out is that black people are 17$ of the population but commit 50% of the murders, which is what the statistics say.

And this is a racist claim. Because there are 30 categories of crime, murder is just one category, and whites lead in 27 or 28 of these categories every single year. That's what the statistics say, but when this is presented, we get excuses only from those who are racists. Again, two separate types of whites post here, and the type you appear to belong to exhibits racist behavior, then cries about being called the behavior you exhibit. Things are not going to stop until you guys stop the behavior.

except thats not what happens. For the most part, whites only "blast off" on blacks when YOU create threads like these. With rare exception, they mostly just stick to bashing democrats.
That's a lie and this shows just how much you don't pay attention to the white racists here. In fact, you have contributed to some of their threads. When rcits mae claims about "Democratic" mayors and "Democratic" cities, they are talking about black mayors and cities with large black populations. You know the dogwhistles, so do not even try lying about what gets done here. References to woke, DEI, etc., are white racist dogwhistles that are used daily here.

I dont agree with everything you say, but I do recognize that racism has had an impact on black people.
Then get out into the white community and work to end it instead of arguing with blacks who call out the continuing racism we see today.

"As described by Robin DiAngelo".....'

I only challenge you because you come here and accuse people of being white supremacist based on nothing but them disagreeing with you.
No, I call them white supremacists based on life experience, listening to how white supremacists say things or the ideas they have.

You appear to have an underlying prejudice against white people, does that make YOU racist?

Also, I can't recall a single post on these forums that has challenged you BECAUSE you are black. You are challenged because of the views you hold.
I don't have any prejudice against white people. See here again is where you show your racism. The white racist, no mtter how many times a black person says not all whites are racists or describes a particular section of the white community, conflates anything said about that section of the white cmmunity as hatred of everybody white so they can try calling that black person a racist, hoping to silence them.

I have always described the type of white person I oppose. White racists, white supremacists, right-wing whites. These are not every white person, they are part of a subculture that I call the white racist subculture. A subculture is part of a culture not the entire culture. So unlike the white racists here wh will talk about black culture based on less than 2 percent of all back people, I am referring only to the white racist subculture and not all white people.

When you accuse me of having such a prejudice, it is an example of white fragility. White fragility describes whites who feel they can comment on the values of blacks, but when blacks comment on the values of whites and wht whites have done, then whites want to get defensive and make claims of black prejudice.

What those like you need t understand is cause and effect. You are able to understand it when you can apply it to blacks, but you on the right seem to believe that your behaviors come without consequences, nor is there any cause or effect regarding our responses to your behavior. What is called black racism prejudice is a response to what we have constantly got from whites.

What part of black culture has been attacked?
You're being obtuse here.

if they are not openly racist, then how do you know they are racist? Because you decide they are? Thats one of the things I argue with you about. The idea that YOU think you know what other people are thinking, than they do themselves. You dont get to decide someone else's motives when they say something.
And here is an example of your dishonesty. Overt racism was basically outlawed in 1964. But the attitudes/mentality that caused overt racism have not been made illegal. So while those like you try making racism out to be cts of a covert nature so you can deny the current racism, the reality is that racism is more subtle nd covert today.

You start out in 1954 by saying, “******, ******, ******.” By 1968 you can’t say “******”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “******, ******.”
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And this is how it's been done in modern times


Now when you are black and face white racism virtually every day of your life, you learn to see patterns. I do not know why some whites continue trying to argue with us about this as if after seeing a behavior for decades that we are always wrong when we call it out. If you have grown up watching an alcoholic for years, you will know the behavior of an alcoholic when you see one. But when it comes to white racism that can't happen.

Racism isn't over, but we've come a long way from where we were in the past. Ive even stated that there is still a lot of work to do in combating racism.
And if you have someone building a house, it is progress when they have built everything but the roof. And you will continue pressing he builder until he finishes the roof. You won't be satisfied with the builder telling you how much the building has progressed since it was nothing but a piece of ground. But whites want to tell us to be happy and notice how a half-done job is something to be celebrated. Making progress to change something that should never have been the case is nothing to brag about.

There may be reasons for this beyond racism. For starters, if a white person approached you, or someone who thinks like you, im sure that would be awkward for them. If you openly express the views you do here, im your public life, I would imagine a lot of white people would want to not want to have meaningful contact with you.

I mean, if someone goes out of their way to not associate with black people, but that they dont have contact with many black people isn't inherently a sign of racism.
Your guess is wrong. I have met many white people who not only agree with me, but are even more stringent in their opposition to white racism. There are actually whites that exist who feel that the whites who are racists make life extra difficult for them and want this shit to stop.

So you are making excuses for racists.

what would be the point of discrimination. Black people are people too. Now, if you wear your views on your sleeve, I could see someone treating you different, not because of the color of your skin, but because of how you view the world.

Here again, we see your racism. Like I just said, millions of whites want white racism to end because white racism ***** up their lives. Not everybody white thinks like you right right-wingers. Millions of whites are genuinely offended because of your existence and feel that white racists are an embarrassment to the white race. Your narrow view of whites is not the only one, and this is the thing whites such as yourself need to learn.

You are racist because you want us blacks to exist in a manner that makes you feel comfortable while denying the discomfort we have to live in. If somebody white meets me and doesn't want a 100 percent no-holds-barred honest dialogue about race, **** them.

well yeah, criticizing someones actions isnt racism. Its how we judge other people. You are judging me because of my actions here. Am I supposed to assume that makes you racist?
White racists assume things about an entire race by the actions of a small part, while expecting everybody else to judge only the small group of whites who do things wrong. White racists do not look at the long history of white misbehavior in every way and try to repent. Instead, we see excuses and fingerpointing at everybody else who have done far less wrong. Whits have a 249-year pattern of consistent racist behavior to include bending or changing laws in order to maintain an advantage. So whites should be the last people to judge the actions of others, especially when the actions of others have been caused due to the decisions whites have made. Period.

if not on values, what traits are we supposed to use to measure others?
How about whites measuring themselves instead of consistently believing they have the right to measure anyone else.

First, point out my racist posts, and then explain why you think im white.
Read your posts.
 
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And there is plenty of history for Trump to whitewash until the Democrats win the mid terms and basically shut down his fascist regime, reducing Trump to just issuing a bunch of unconstitutional "executive" orders.
Hopefully, the people can see what's happening and vote Republicans out.
 
Why are you still whining about slavery?
According to IM2, from his favorite study......

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Black households have $232 trillion in assets.
That's an average of about $15 million each.

It's not just George and Weezy who made it to the top.

Speaking of questionable statistics:

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If only you could apply your apparent analytical skills to your politics, but them's cults for ya!
 
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IM2 insists whites work on ending racism among whites. Two questions:

1) Does IM2 work on ending antisemitism in black communities? Studies show that antisemitic attitudes are more prevalent among blacks compared to whites.

2) Does IM2 work on ending bad choices in the black ghettos - primarily having babies out of wedlock instead of career or job prep - which in turn leads to poverty and high crime rates, which in turn leads to racism itself?
 
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Slavery was awful but it ended a century and a half ago and the United States wasn't the only guilty nation

you good with the USS harriet tubman getting stripped of its name & renamed something else?
 
Stephen Miller, who is a white supremacist. Steve Bannon, who promotes it.

Stephen Miller and Steve bannon are the government? Im pretty sure Steve bannon is involved with the government anymore. Beyond that, show us the proof of white supremacy. Just saying it isnt proof.

The skinheads that show up in public now.

Skinheads are the government? Also, what skinheads? Haven't seen them people around in a very long time.

The thuggery of ICE

Enforcing the immigration law? Thats kinda their job.

, the open embrace of right wing militias,

Leftys have their militias too ya know, besides, oathkeepers (i assume thats what you mean) have come and gone, are they even around anymore?

The right wing noise about CRT is inherently racist.

Nah, pushing back on any ideology that tries to teach people that all white folks are evil isn't racist.


It was never anything more than an academic theory. It was never adopted anywhere as policy, contrary to the blizzard of false, rave baiting claims made by right wing media.
Its taught at the collegiate level. Proponents would love for it to be taught K-12 im sure.


Nor did it ever teach anyone that white people are bad. 1619 was a far more accurate history of slavery and oppression than anything taught in any public school.

Crt teaches that racism is ingrained in american culture, and since black people only believe white people can be racist, it means that crt teaches that racism is ingrained solely in white american culture, i.e. "white people are inherently racist and therefore evil people". CRT teaches what DiAngelo teaches, and DiAngelo teaches that all white people are so racist but they dont know they are racist and the only way for them to recognize their racism is that they have to PAY a black person to point out their racism and thar white people need to capitulate to black people to atone for the racism they are not aware of, that only black people can point out.


But ginning it up appeals to white fear and resentment,
Just reading the pillars, and watching some lectures from Robin DiAngelo tell you what you need to know.

Personally, I see nothing wrong about teaching students about our ugly racist past.vv

Me neither, if that was only all it was.

It is not about blaming or demonizing white people.

It absolutely is...have you ever heard of the poster IM2, or listened to DiAngelo? Its ALL about blaming white people. I watched a 2 hour video from DiAngelo about her book. It was eye opening...


It’s about admitting that the glorious pageant of the building of our nation has a dark underbelly, and acknowledging it.
Im pretty sure most people acknowledge that.


Trump clearly want the whitewash to continue, and played to his base by saying so,

Has trump tried to erase black history? Or erase the history of slavery in america?
 
In a thread about the history of race relations.
Correct. Democrats always seek to avoid admitting their legacy. And it is ugly. Then they project it onto MAGA.
Meanwhile, they have done little to lift up the black man. Their legislation has sought to keep the black man on the Democrat plantation.
 

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