Oklahoma banned students could sue the college and win big

[thereisnospoon]

If there wasn't a code or rule being violated, then the college just censored free speech and on top of it slandered these students reputation by publicizing this situation in the way that they did, and potentially did financial harm to them.

It's a "public" university. Free speech could have been violated a right granted to every citizen no matter what they say under article 1 of the constitution.

What in the **** are you talking about?

You heard me. Did I stutter?

I guess it was your ::cough:: links to whatever in the wide world of **** you're talking about.
Or are you so arrogant you think you don't need them?

You need a link to prove that students were expelled for racist chants? Watch any news station MSNBC or foxnews.

Ah. No wonder.
I don't have a TV. That's for morons. You're gonna have to break a sweat and essplain yourself.
It's prolly gonna be one of the reasons I don't have TV in the first place.

Oh? And liberals that watch TV?...Are they morons too?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Poor oppressed racist white kids, when will they be free, when will their deliverance come.

All white kids? Or just the frat guys?

 

[thereisnospoon]

I wonder who busted them. One of their "frat buddies" who wants his/her 15 minutes of "fame", I suppose. One of those who want sooooo badly to "belong" and be noticed.

Like I have been saying since this newest "scandal" as been reported, once blacks stop making and promoting and selling music to the public and on radio and tv and clubs and streets and parks to kill ******...then I might see it as something horrible. But I won't hold my breath.

Could have been a pledge. However the semester is almost over. So it was either an infiltrator, disgruntled member or the guy's phone was hacked.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

There's nothing illegal about singing a racist tune. What's more... as the Rap Industry proves day in and out, it's a constitutionally PROTECTED RIGHT!

There's also nothing illegal about a university expelling the racists.

LOL!!! Yeah, there is somethng highly illegal about it. Or have you missed the last 57 pages of this discussion, which is what you usually do?

Really? I'm still waiting for you to admit you're ******* retarded for claiming that universities can't expel students for incidents happening off campus.

You'll wait until hell freezes over or until you drown yourself. Because I'm not wrong. I am very seldom wrong. I am wrong far less often than you are right, which is nearly never.

So you want to claim that universities cannot expel a student who murders someone off campus?

Great! Let's hear your argument.

HEY LOOK! It's deflection, as a means to yield from the standing points!

Just a lovely way to concede... .

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

... So I guess that means OU could not expel a football player if he raped a cheerleader while his team was playing in Kansas.

lol, good one.

There's nothing illegal about singing a racist tune. What's more... as the Rap Industry proves day in and out, it's a constitutionally PROTECTED RIGHT!

There's also nothing illegal about a university expelling the racists.

LOL!!! Yeah, there is somethng highly illegal about it. Or have you missed the last 57 pages of this discussion, which is what you usually do?

besides there being nothing illegal about it.you just support other racists

The idiot thinks that universities can't have a code of conduct. It's amazingly retarded.

Did he?

Let's see... Let me re-read what was said...

NOPE...

So what we have from the above cited contributor, is obfuscation wherein they knowingly project deceit, as fact, as a fraudulent means to influence the ignorant.

OKA: Yielding from the standing points, due to the inability to sustain a contest of those points: AKA: A CONCESSION!

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I guess it was your ::cough:: links to whatever in the wide world of **** you're talking about.
Or are you so arrogant you think you don't need them?

You need a link to prove that students were expelled for racist chants? Watch any news station MSNBC or foxnews.

Ah. No wonder.
I don't have a TV. That's for morons. You're gonna have to break a sweat and essplain yourself.
It's prolly gonna be one of the reasons I don't have TV in the first place.

By far your worst post here on usmb. I said I'm the last poster you'd want to debate on this site because I have the biggest balls and I'm very unpredictable And a genius.

Even the blacks on Hannity said free speech was violated And potential lawsuits should be filed by these students against the university. Hannity was destroyed on fox tonight.

A genius? Oh I get it now, pretty funny, sarcasm, good one. You seem to have forgotten that there is no such thing as free speech at a formal event of an officially sanctioned organization. They are bound by rules of conduct, ethics and behavior.

They were going to a private function on a private charter bus.

They did something very stupid. The thing was recorded and released to the public. They paid the price.
I think groups that make these kinds of things ( bigoted and inflammatory speech ) a habit should confiscate all electronic devices from all members attending. and if the function is catered or has servers, they can leave their electronic devices in their cars.
I think that is going to be a thing now. Even in legitimate meetings in business or social situations. Personal electronic devices are going to be banned.
The voyeurism has gotten out of control.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The students have a perfect case. They were off campus in a private venue. Punishing people for unpopular statements is exactly what the 1A was meant to prevent.

Legally, yes...Morally, these kids actions are indefensible.

 

[Gracie]

What they did is stupid, but they have the right to say whatever the **** they wish. I hope the parents and/or students sue the pants off that college...and win.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The students have a perfect case. They were off campus in a private venue. Punishing people for unpopular statements is exactly what the 1A was meant to prevent.

Thank you. This thread will clearly define the smart posters who believe in the constitution from the morons here at usmb. Specifically the bill of rights.

You don't get off that easily....I'm not a lib..Not by any stretch. However, I think your free speech premise barks up the wrong tree.
Now, if you think you can discuss this rationally, without getting salty, let's have at it. But if you're going to get all high and mighty and go off on your "I am a genius" thingy, then let's not waste each other's time, hmm.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I hope they do sue.

I'd bet attorneys are calling them seeing money signs right in front of them with no guards for the taking.

I bet the ACLU will stay out of this one.

There is no doubt here the ACLU will give this one a wide berth.

 

[Freewill]

Now that this thread has run its course I have an observation, most people posting are hypocrites.

The side supporting the school forgets that they did not support a business that did exactly as the school did. I can certainly see where they don't agree with the baker or the florist that stands on their principle but none the less what they were doing is no less then what the school was doing. On the other hand those who supported the kids chanting racism and thus were denied service are the same ones that said the baker and the florist had the right to refuse services.

Talk about wanting both ways.

Seems to me that if services can be denied because of rhetoric then certainly services should be allowed to be denied if such services goes against sincerely held beliefs. But I doubt either side will see the hypocrisy in their positions.

 

[thereisnospoon]

If there wasn't a code or rule being violated, then the college just censored free speech and on top of it slandered these students reputation by publicizing this situation in the way that they did, and potentially did financial harm to them.

It's a "public" university. Free speech could have been violated a right granted to every citizen no matter what they say under article 1 of the constitution.

Even if OU were to lose the suit, they still saved their "brand"

The brand that says you can't say something unless we approve of it? Trust me if you think these suits are the only ones possible like the other poster said, "any minority that feels their well being at the college has been subject to what the college expelled these students for can also sue.

If I were these kids I'd look to make a statement of all statement. I'd also try to sucker Obama and Al Sharpton in it also. Take them all down. Sue the college to where it stings and stings bad. At least 100 million and make them pay all attorney fees on top of it.

In a manner of speaking, that is correct. While we retain the right to say nearly anything we like, when that speech is potentially harmful to a particular entity of which the individual is representative, that entity reserves the right to bring sanctions against the individual.

 

[Roudy]

So from now on, anytime college kids sing juvenile stupid songs about Asians, Jews, blacks, whites, etc. we should be looking forward to expulsions and suspensions?

Can anybody cite any other time something like this has happened? Because if not then that means this is the first time college kids sang a racist song on campus?

Is that's as far as your thinking takes you, then yes, that must be what it means.

So is it or isn't it the first time this has happened? And if not what were the consequences?

 

[thereisnospoon]

1. You can see from my photos posted I am Asian.
My birth certificate says both my parents are WHITE in color.
You can say my culture is WHITE if you believe that Constitutionalism is WHITE.
but my Buddhist culture is more associated with Asian.

2. I cannot go into detail about anything you sent me by PM because that is against the rules.

But the general response I have gotten is avoidance.

Avoiding the solutions that WOMEN like Gladys House, Catherine Roberts, Sally Wickers
and me have been promoting in Freedmen's Town. Gladys and Sally are Black but have
gotten NO HELP from males who want to sit around and blame other people
while women are working 2-3 jobs to pay for the work to promote development plans for FT.

Catherine Roberts invested thousands of dollars to hire an engineering team to show the
City of Houston how to preserve the historic brick streets in place, and go through the sidewalks
to redo the underground utilities. She is a WHITE WOMAN
are you going to take issue with that, that a WHITE WOMAN paid her own money to
preserve Freed Slave history while all these other Black leaders and groups DID NOTHING.

Go ahead. Complain that White and Asian women are pushing for national historic preservation
while people like you who CLAIM to support unity and empowerment of Blacks
say NO THANKS.

I have asked and posted these plans online, gone to City Council and other meetings to get support
for the Residents' plans.

But working two jobs I am exhausted and had to stop.

I cannot continue to keep working two jobs, to pay off loans of over 60,000 dollars on credit I lent to nonprofit groups and volunteers in not just one but two districts with similar campus development plans both overrun and destroyed by corporate interests.

I am looking for serious people willing to back these plans,
not just a bunch of people "COMPLAINING about Black/White racism" but then doing nothing
when it comes to a real plan of action.

So Anonymous1977 if you and others want to wait around while
working women like Gladys and me try to promote this project,
I am not afraid to ask the students with this incident if they would like to help.

Again I can't go into detail about anything you said on PM
but the general impression I got from you and Nutz
was no thank you.

Which means Gladys House is still working on her own,
and at least she appreciates the 8500 - 10,000 I have
lent her to cover her expenses while she promotes her plans that I find worth the investment.
I even presented them to Allen West's foundation, and offered to transfer the
10,000 I set aside in a LLC for this project IF WE COULD FIND THE RIGHT LEADERSHIP.

I've been paying high interest on that loan to put that down payment aside to buy the land,
and would VERY MUCH like to TRANSFER this project to BLACK LEADERSHIP.
But I can't find any besides Gladys willing to take this on.

Are you going to attack the thousands I have invested of my
own labor because I am Asian American?

If only Black people are supposed to work on Black empowerment
then why aren't you chipping in instead of
"standing on the sidelines" questioning if I am WHITE?

Why did you even say that Anonymous1977?

Look you White animal (smells like one any way, with your White people smell lol,) I didn't waste my time on your post. Get a life, you waste.

Your race (the White race) is the only race who acts like this:

May God soon remove your HATEFUL evil race from the planet, unless you reform.

How dare you..Don't you lump the rest of in with those people based solely on skin tone....
You are projecting the very thing you hate. The very thing of which you feel victimized.
You shame yourself.

 

[sealybobo]

It AMAZES me how naive the younger generations are and how they let people with positions of power control there BASIC FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS that the US CONSTITUTION is meant to PROTECT. Anybody 28 and under not me is a ******* moron.

Nah you probably are too. Clueless. You think pharrell is smooth and dont even know who marvin Gaye is.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Ask him again, Emily.

Lol...she's been harassing me like crazy through PM (she is really a White person trying to stir up trouble between a Black and Asians.)

**** her, and all White racists like her!!!

With the racist bigoted attitude you've projected here, you deserve to be harassed.
Now I am not going to allow you to make me angry because in instances such as this, the self proclaimed victim decides racism is acceptable behavior, I choose to take the high road.
You should stand down. You are making a fool of yourself.

 

[sealybobo]

So from now on, anytime college kids sing juvenile stupid songs about Asians, Jews, blacks, whites, etc. we should be looking forward to expulsions and suspensions?

Can anybody cite any other time something like this has happened? Because if not then that means this is the first time college kids sang a racist song on campus?

Is that's as far as your thinking takes you, then yes, that must be what it means.

So is it or isn't it the first time this has happened? And if not what were the consequences?

I think they are over reacting because they want to send a message. How many black frats sing there will never be a honky lambda lambda lambda or omega moo?

 

[Gracie]

Anonymous1977 is an idiot.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Anonymous1977 is an idiot.

And a prohibitive favorite to win USMB'S 2015 Racist of the Year award

 

[Gracie]

So from now on, anytime college kids sing juvenile stupid songs about Asians, Jews, blacks, whites, etc. we should be looking forward to expulsions and suspensions?

Can anybody cite any other time something like this has happened? Because if not then that means this is the first time college kids sang a racist song on campus?

Is that's as far as your thinking takes you, then yes, that must be what it means.

So is it or isn't it the first time this has happened? And if not what were the consequences?

I think they are over reacting because they want to send a message. How many black frats sing there will never be a honky lambda lambda lambda or omega moo?

They just haven't been caught.

What I wonder is why nobody is concerned about some rap music ON THE AIR, in stores, open to the public that talks about killing whiteys/honkies/crackers, etc but focus on some stupid frat students doing the same thing but in the privacy of a bus?

Maybe the word starts with an H.