Okay media if you called for Roseanne's firing then Samantha Bee has to go

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

So saying something racist is worse than saying something that is vulgar? Seems the answer is yes!

We have laws against racism and while it's not a violation of the criminal code it is actionable.

Right before this story broke another poster posed the question if a person is a racist shouldn't he/she keep it to himself and several people responded that the best course of action would to not be or stop being a racist. And then Roseanne happens.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

It can be, depending on context.

the samantha b context

 

[OldLady]

No one should be fired, both women could do a better job of finding informative words that better describe there anger or dislike of the person, based on their actions not on there body parts or looks..

yea, everyone needs to back away from the OFF WITH THEIR HEAD mentality.

Normally, I would say ABC was thinking of the bottom line, but since their president is a black woman, there may have been a little more to it than that. Disney CEO Bob Iger: "There was only one thing to do here, and that was the right thing,"

They knew the hue and cry would be enormous, so they moved fast. I see what you mean, it seems like people are getting fired left and right for "doing the wrong thing," whether it's patting a coworker's ass or saying something racist (unless you're POTUS of course). In the era of social media, though, things go that fast and become that big a deal, regardless of what sense tells us.

 

[there4eyeM]

You "rightees" and "lefties" ceratinly do go on and on and waste so much time over these ridiculous subjects! No wonder you have no energy to devote to changing yourselves and what is going on around you. You repeat the same clichés over and over. Almost every post recites a favored insult heard from a favored source.
Why am I even posting this?
Never mind!

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

lemme ask yo something now, do you think sams use of the "c" word was misogynistic?...now it does not get any simpler than that.

Misogyny is a hatred of women correct? I don't believe Samantha Bee said what she did because she hates women in general (quite the contrary if she is to be believed), I believe she made the comment she did to be specifically insulting to Ivanka by using the most insulting word she could.

Barr on the other hand was making jokes and for some reason didn't realize her racism came tumbling out.

 

[OldLady]

lemme ask yo something now, do you think sams use of the "c" word was misogynistic?...now it does not get any simpler than that.

Misogyny is a hatred of women correct? I don't believe Samantha Bee said what she did because she hates women in general (quite the contrary if she is to be believed), I believe she made the comment she did to be specifically insulting to Ivanka by using the most insulting word she could.

Barr on the other hand was making jokes and for some reason didn't realize her racism came tumbling out.

You're right, but it is the most insulting word she could think of because it's used by men to demean women -- we're pretty much just a walking, talking vagina opportunity, right? -- and women appropriated it. Unfortunately. I wish women didn't feel they had to act like a man to climb the pile.

 

[Pogo]

I'm not offended at all by Samantha Bee's comment. It's hard (or should be anyway) to get offended when someone acts like their normal self.

It's much like the NFL fake-kerfuffle. Lotta wags come out to cry the blues about a posture, or a TV host, that they didn't even know existed until they were told by their puppeteer.

Oh what bullshit.
Most of us moderstes and conservatives are offended when we see someone purposely being disrespectful to our flag, our anthem, our country. We didn't need anyone to tell us when to be offended.

In a jingo commercial that isn't even broadcast on TV and had to be explained to you by muckraker journalism without which you'd have never even known there was a national anthem played at all, yeah I think you did.

Good little puppet. Salivates on command.

 

[Nia88]

False equivalency. Being vulgar isn't the same as being racist.

Being racist is much worse.

And as Americans we are too uptight about the word **** anyway. In the UK and Australia the word is used quite freely. Men even get called ****.

 

[Pogo]

By the way, I didn't block out the "c" word there. Looks like even this board knows it's not acceptable.

This board also thinks the name on this box is 'not acceptable' too, so ....

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Normally, I would say ABC was thinking of the bottom line, but since their president is a black woman, there may have been a little more to it than that. Disney CEO Bob Iger: "There was only one thing to do here, and that was the right thing,"

They knew the hue and cry would be enormous, so they moved fast. I see what you mean, it seems like people are getting fired left and right for "doing the wrong thing," whether it's patting a coworker's ass or saying something racist (unless you're POTUS of course). In the era of social media, though, things go that fast and become that big a deal, regardless of what sense tells us.

Yes but both of those things ARE wrong they've just been tolerated for far too long.

I was reading comments from both men and women who were commenting on the #MeToo movement and many men stated that they would no longer do certain things - have closed door meetings with a woman, no longer be friendly, no longer talk about anything that wasn't work related, etc. Two things struck me about these comments. The first was that I believe the reason that some men are reacting so negatively to what's been coming out is this bad and unlawful behavior has been going on and generally been accepted for so long as just a normal part of society and the work place, that now that steps are being taken to put an end to it all, they're seeing it as an indictment of their previous behavior. Many of the guys stated that they simply won't chance a false accusation which brings me to the second impression. Normal guys wouldn't be worried about false accusation, it's the ones who are borderline or actually violators who are resentful or worried from what I've observed.

I'd guess that something similar probably happened when the civil rights and anti-discrimination laws first went into affect during the 50s & 60s. That there there were some white people who possibly felt discomfort or resentment to being told that the ways in which they had always lived their lives were no longer socially acceptable and in fact unlawful.

 

[Pogo]

lemme ask yo something now, do you think sams use of the "c" word was misogynistic?...now it does not get any simpler than that.

Misogyny is a hatred of women correct? I don't believe Samantha Bee said what she did because she hates women in general (quite the contrary if she is to be believed), I believe she made the comment she did to be specifically insulting to Ivanka by using the most insulting word she could.

Barr on the other hand was making jokes and for some reason didn't realize her racism came tumbling out.

You're right, but it is the most insulting word she could think of because it's used by men to demean women -- we're pretty much just a walking, talking vagina opportunity, right? -- and women appropriated it. Unfortunately. I wish women didn't feel they had to act like a man to climb the pile.

Actually the more women do appropriate it, the more its destructive power is undermined. It's a way of cutting the legs out from under it.

"Gay" used to be such a slur, before the homosexual community adopted it, thereby removing (at least some of) its slur power. Same with the so-called "n-word". Hell I remember when you couldn't say "hell" on TV. Or "damn".

 

[Care4all]

Days ago, Roseanne Barr tweeted what was taken as a racist statement/joke. She said Valerie Jarret was the offspring of the Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes.

Okay Media. If You Called for Roseanne’s Firing, then Samantha Bee Has to Go.
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That's right most hypocrites don't get what is fair is fair. If one can't get away with it nobody should get away with it. Just another area where people are up to their heads in knee deep bs actions that keep happening. The people with right minds are SICK OF THE PC BS!!

Haven't you heard the latest? Suddenly calling a woman the c-word isn't offensive. It's just a body part to be proud of.

it was meant to be offensive, it was meant to be jaw shocking...

Not that I agree with using it, but after George Carlin, there has been almost a 'no holds barred' for comedians....

 

[Care4all]

No one should be fired, both women could do a better job of finding informative words that better describe there anger or dislike of the person, based on their actions not on there body parts or looks..

yea, everyone needs to back away from the OFF WITH THEIR HEAD mentality.

Normally, I would say ABC was thinking of the bottom line, but since their president is a black woman, there may have been a little more to it than that. Disney CEO Bob Iger: "There was only one thing to do here, and that was the right thing,"

They knew the hue and cry would be enormous, so they moved fast. I see what you mean, it seems like people are getting fired left and right for "doing the wrong thing," whether it's patting a coworker's ass or saying something racist (unless you're POTUS of course). In the era of social media, though, things go that fast and become that big a deal, regardless of what sense tells us.

Roseanne broke their CONTRACT, otherwise they could not have fired her or cancel the show.... it was in there, for her behavior and what they would not tolerate on and off the stage set...due to her comments and the such, in the past.

Samantha B, may not have had such contract

 

[Frankeneinstein]

It ain't rocket surgery.

makes me laugh everytime

Thangyew. Stole it from Frank Caliendo.

If you make a racist crack about a target, you're commenting on a trait of that target that is a circumstance of birth -- her race. She has no control over that (if 'control' were even desirable)

as opposed to what? the fact that Ivanka can get a sex change operation?

uhhhhhhhhhhh................ what?

Yyyyyyeah I'm uh, sure Ivanka can get a sex change operation.... sure. Whatever that's got to do with the price of eggs in the average uterus. Perhaps it would help fend off her father too.

Thanks for that excursion down a side road to nowhere.

That cannot be compared with a different comment about a target's behaviour, which is something the target CAN control.

this only serves to prove that the left has been lying about misogynist remarks like the "C" word used to describe some women by those on the left...again is it your position that Ivanka can do something about being born a woman [if she wanted to] by having an operration so that exempts sammy b [and all of us] from misogyny when it comes to using that word?

I have no idea who "the left" is supposed to be but I actually type with both hands. If you have a specific quote from *ME* --- and that's a singular --- then show it. I stand behind my posts and I remember every one. Whatcha got?

Still waiting for what this "misogynist word" is.

Simple enough?

I guess, if you were looking for something not addressing the issue of misogyny by sammy this would be the simple enough one...in any case you are still attempting to move the goal posts away from the fact that this was a misogynist rant by sammy b and the left sees no problem with that...lemme ask yo something now, do you think sams use of the "c" word was misogynistic?...now it does not get any simpler than that.

Once AGAIN something doesn't become "misogynist" just because you use the adjective. We could call it "purple" or "fat" or "woody" and it wouldn't take those qualities on either.

and here/there it is, the lefts hypocrisy is exposed so the goal posts are moved to a place so far from the point that it is unrecognizable from the original position, which of course is the intent of the entire exercise...

in the below post you seem to have lost your way in all the text you seem to need to answer yes or no or more to the point to avoid answer yes or no...

If you call somebody an "asshole" ---- are we supposed to think you're talking about a lower intestine?

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no more than if you call someone the "C" word would you be expected to think you're talking about a body part, left wing orthodoxy would normally require you to think misogyny instead...the entire reason for asking the question of misogyny in this case is to show the left really does not consider the "C" word to be misogynist, they in fact themselves view women in such terms....btw, do you consider sammy b's use of the word to be misogynistic?

sorry bout the nesting, not sure what happened

 

[Frankeneinstein]

it was meant to be offensive, it was meant to be jaw shocking...

Not that I agree with using it, but after George Carlin, there has been almost a 'no holds barred' for comedians....

pretty much agree on all counts, it was carlin who opened the door on tv, but it was lenny bruce who opened it for comedians like carlin

 

[Pogo]

No one should be fired, both women could do a better job of finding informative words that better describe there anger or dislike of the person, based on their actions not on there body parts or looks..

yea, everyone needs to back away from the OFF WITH THEIR HEAD mentality.

Normally, I would say ABC was thinking of the bottom line, but since their president is a black woman, there may have been a little more to it than that. Disney CEO Bob Iger: "There was only one thing to do here, and that was the right thing,"

They knew the hue and cry would be enormous, so they moved fast. I see what you mean, it seems like people are getting fired left and right for "doing the wrong thing," whether it's patting a coworker's ass or saying something racist (unless you're POTUS of course). In the era of social media, though, things go that fast and become that big a deal, regardless of what sense tells us.

Roseanne broke their CONTRACT, otherwise they could not have fired her or cancel the show.... it was in there, for her behavior and what they would not tolerate on and off the stage set...due to her comments and the such, in the past.

Samantha B, may not have had such contract

A "morals clause" in any standard contract would be what the network would cite as a basis to terminate, if they had a prior agreement to continue the show.

Presumably Samantha Bee has the same clause (I think everybody does) but she didn't violate it by using a vulgarity. That goes back to the false premise this thread is built on -- racist speech and vulgar speech, are not the same thing.

 

[OldLady]

lemme ask yo something now, do you think sams use of the "c" word was misogynistic?...now it does not get any simpler than that.

Misogyny is a hatred of women correct? I don't believe Samantha Bee said what she did because she hates women in general (quite the contrary if she is to be believed), I believe she made the comment she did to be specifically insulting to Ivanka by using the most insulting word she could.

Barr on the other hand was making jokes and for some reason didn't realize her racism came tumbling out.

You're right, but it is the most insulting word she could think of because it's used by men to demean women -- we're pretty much just a walking, talking vagina opportunity, right? -- and women appropriated it. Unfortunately. I wish women didn't feel they had to act like a man to climb the pile.

Actually the more women do appropriate it, the more its destructive power is undermined. It's a way of cutting the legs out from under it.

"Gay" used to be such a slur, before the homosexual community adopted it, thereby removing (at least some of) its slur power. Same with the so-called "n-word". Hell I remember when you couldn't say "hell" on TV. Or "damn".

Better yet, everyone but the nastiest wife beaters stop using it. They'll always use it. I hate that word and you're not going to make it acceptable to me, Pogo. Ever.

 

[Pogo]

lemme ask yo something now, do you think sams use of the "c" word was misogynistic?...now it does not get any simpler than that.

Misogyny is a hatred of women correct? I don't believe Samantha Bee said what she did because she hates women in general (quite the contrary if she is to be believed), I believe she made the comment she did to be specifically insulting to Ivanka by using the most insulting word she could.

Barr on the other hand was making jokes and for some reason didn't realize her racism came tumbling out.

You're right, but it is the most insulting word she could think of because it's used by men to demean women -- we're pretty much just a walking, talking vagina opportunity, right? -- and women appropriated it. Unfortunately. I wish women didn't feel they had to act like a man to climb the pile.

Actually the more women do appropriate it, the more its destructive power is undermined. It's a way of cutting the legs out from under it.

"Gay" used to be such a slur, before the homosexual community adopted it, thereby removing (at least some of) its slur power. Same with the so-called "n-word". Hell I remember when you couldn't say "hell" on TV. Or "damn".

Better yet, everyone but the nastiest wife beaters stop using it. They'll always use it. I hate that word and you're not going to make it acceptable to me, Pogo. Ever.

I'm just saying --- if women (not you individually) were to appropriate it, those wife-beaters would then be disarmed. Powerless.

You'll have to manage that individually however it works for you individually, but that's how it works collectively.

 

[OldLady]

lemme ask yo something now, do you think sams use of the "c" word was misogynistic?...now it does not get any simpler than that.

Misogyny is a hatred of women correct? I don't believe Samantha Bee said what she did because she hates women in general (quite the contrary if she is to be believed), I believe she made the comment she did to be specifically insulting to Ivanka by using the most insulting word she could.

Barr on the other hand was making jokes and for some reason didn't realize her racism came tumbling out.

You're right, but it is the most insulting word she could think of because it's used by men to demean women -- we're pretty much just a walking, talking vagina opportunity, right? -- and women appropriated it. Unfortunately. I wish women didn't feel they had to act like a man to climb the pile.

Actually the more women do appropriate it, the more its destructive power is undermined. It's a way of cutting the legs out from under it.

"Gay" used to be such a slur, before the homosexual community adopted it, thereby removing (at least some of) its slur power. Same with the so-called "n-word". Hell I remember when you couldn't say "hell" on TV. Or "damn".

Better yet, everyone but the nastiest wife beaters stop using it. They'll always use it. I hate that word and you're not going to make it acceptable to me, Pogo. Ever.

I'm just saying --- if women (not you individually) were to appropriate it, those wife-beaters would then be disarmed. Powerless.

You'll have to manage that individually however it works for you individually, but that's how it works collectively.

I've got some thinking to do. In this past three days, in all seriousness, posters I thought were pretty good people have argued that a video game replicating a school shooting is fine and there is no violent culture in this country, that saying a woman looks like an ape isn't racist and now that language has no power to degrade or demean unless you're a snowflake, and that we would be well advised to use c*nt since it would take away its power.

I'm experiencing some real cognitive dissonance here.

 

[Pogo]

Misogyny is a hatred of women correct? I don't believe Samantha Bee said what she did because she hates women in general (quite the contrary if she is to be believed), I believe she made the comment she did to be specifically insulting to Ivanka by using the most insulting word she could.

Barr on the other hand was making jokes and for some reason didn't realize her racism came tumbling out.

You're right, but it is the most insulting word she could think of because it's used by men to demean women -- we're pretty much just a walking, talking vagina opportunity, right? -- and women appropriated it. Unfortunately. I wish women didn't feel they had to act like a man to climb the pile.

Actually the more women do appropriate it, the more its destructive power is undermined. It's a way of cutting the legs out from under it.

"Gay" used to be such a slur, before the homosexual community adopted it, thereby removing (at least some of) its slur power. Same with the so-called "n-word". Hell I remember when you couldn't say "hell" on TV. Or "damn".

Better yet, everyone but the nastiest wife beaters stop using it. They'll always use it. I hate that word and you're not going to make it acceptable to me, Pogo. Ever.

I'm just saying --- if women (not you individually) were to appropriate it, those wife-beaters would then be disarmed. Powerless.

You'll have to manage that individually however it works for you individually, but that's how it works collectively.

I've got some thinking to do. In this past three days, in all seriousness, posters I thought were pretty good people have argued that a video game replicating a school shooting is fine and there is no violent culture in this country, that saying a woman looks like an ape isn't racist and now that language has no power to degrade or demean unless you're a snowflake, and that we would be well advised to use c*nt since it would take away its power.

I'm experiencing some real cognitive dissonance here.

Do you disagree that this is the way colloquial language evolves and devolves? If you have another theory I'm all ears.