ok is trying to alienate teachers?

[initforme]

There's alot of parents who will ensure their child is not being taped and never appears on a videotape. I would be one of those if this was happening when my kids were in school. You can bet, just like some parents are making noise today about what they do t like, I'd be one speaking out heavily against my kids being videotaped. If they'd appear once, I'm suing.

 

[OldFlame]

You just confirmed what you are trying to deny

He sounds like a complete idiot, all he has is insults, never addresses the specifics of anything said, a complete waste of time to even respond to him.

 

[Blues Man]

No, that is not possible. Your plan calls for parents to be able to make an appointment and come watch the videos. What good is a video that is gone in 72 hours? What if the parent is working and does not have time to watch the videos in that 72 hour window?




Well then that triples the cost of storage, maybe even more.



What about the cost of paying enough people to go through 75,000 hours (for one school) of video to ensure there are no privacy issues for the students? How much will that cost?

All things are possible.

And students have no privacy rights in schools.

Lockers and jackets can be searched at any time and the law allows it.

And tell me how is there a difference between a parent sitting in a classroom seeing all the other kids and watching the same class on a video the next day>?

There is NO difference.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He sounds like a complete idiot, all he has is insults, never addresses the specifics of anything said, a complete waste of time to even respond to him.

You are absolutely right! Mac-7 is an idiot, just like you!

 

[OldFlame]

It never has been and it is now. I love my profession and I love teaching children. Because I do, I have little tolerance for people who are in the profession who do not. Blessedly, I teach in a great district and don't encounter many.

I do encounter too many people with horrid ideas for how to fix education and teaching. Live streaming the classroom is one such idea, and not because I'm afraid anyone will see my teaching. It's because of student privacy and all the issues cited in this thread. It is why the bill cited excludes PE and Special Ed students--little do the politicians know those same reasons apply to every classroom, at least in elementary school.

I thank you for your civil response, and I may agree with you at an elementary level, but I've just seen too many disgusting things going on in high school classrooms from teachers that are severely abusing their role. I posted just a few examples of that, and that's only a few, if those were caught, how many go on that weren't caught? Unfortunately there are a lot of bad teachers out there, just like any other group population, you're going to have the bad with the good.

 

[Blues Man]

There's alot of parents who will ensure their child is not being taped and never appears on a videotape. I would be one of those if this was happening when my kids were in school. You can bet, just like some parents are making noise today about what they do t like, I'd be one speaking out heavily against my kids being videotaped. If they'd appear once, I'm suing.

But you don;t care if another parent sits in on the class and looks at your kid right?

 

[Blues Man]

I now work for the military, and we have to have a secure connection for some of our work with PII and PHI. In the last two weeks, we have secured getting one person's computer up and running properly. He's an IT specialist in his other job.

The public sector could do it 10 times faster for less than half the cost.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And students have no privacy rights in schools.

Then tell me why for 12 years for each of my children I had to sign a form allowing images of them to be used by teh school?

And tell me how is there a difference between a parent sitting in a classroom seeing all the other kids and watching the same class on a video the next day

It is the difference between walking down the street and looking at someone vs recording that person without their permission.

 

[Blues Man]

It doesn’t make any difference whether unwarranted surveillance of teachers is live or recorded – it’s yet another Orwellian example of the authoritarian right’s desire to compel conformity and use public education as a political weapon by conservatives.

It's not Orwellian because it is giving the power of oversight to the parents not the government.

You need to read 1984 again. The current situation is more akin to what you describe where parents are denied free access to the workings of public education and the teachers that are supposed to be responsible for their children. You prefer we blindly trust a government t institution

 

[Blues Man]

Then tell me why for 12 years for each of my children I had to sign a form allowing images of them to be used by teh school?



It is the difference between walking down the street and looking at someone vs recording that person without their permission.

USed by the school for commercial purposes that's why.

There would be no commercial use of classroom video and the access would be strictly controlled

 

[Grumblenuts]

Parents have the absolute right to know exactly what goes on in public schools.

Link?

 

[Blues Man]

You keep going back to this because it sounds good. It SEEMS right.

But in real life, as it would play out, it's a violation of other students' right to privacy. Because it's not just YOUR child IN the class. Again after all this. You might have a right to know what goes on with YOUR child, but you don't have a right to know what goes on with ALL THE OTHER children.

There's really no way to square that. That's why the majority of parents in my community forum yesterday came down a hard "NO" on this.

it doesn;t seem right it IS right

 

[Harpy Eagle]

USed by the school for commercial purposes that's why.

There would be no commercial use of classroom video and the access would be strictly controlled

Nope, the slip says nothing about commercial purposes. Pictures posted on the school website and FB page are not there for commercial purposes

Try again.

 

[OldFlame]

So what you're proposing, not very clearly at all, is that a parent make a request to say I want to watch video from 10-11 on this day of this teacher. Then they have to report to the school to see a prepared video of that, in a special secure room during school hours, for which someone has blurred out the faces and responses of all the children with a Special Ed dx, an IEP, a 505 and custodial restrictions. In every single classroom in American right now, that's AT LEAST three children per class of about 20 kids. That's a lowball estimate. Could be half.

Well, you're getting better not demanding a live feed. But who's going to do all that video work for the nutso cuckoo parents who would do that all the time? ETA: Let's not pretend all the parents are saints here. Look around at the general population. Nutso teachers and nutso parents. Yep.

(Of course since the last time you stepped in an elementary school was 1975, you have no idea what an IEP or a 505 is.)

That would be enough to keep a teacher from giving her students an assignment to write about their fantasies of orgasming in different locations. And that's the point, if known that their class can be viewed by parents at their request at any given time, it stops those kinds of abuses. To pretend that they don't happen and that parents don't have legitimate concerns about what their kids are being exposed to in the educational system is dishonest.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Students have no right to privacy in schools.

Link?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The current situation is more akin to what you describe where parents are denied free access to the workings of public education and the teachers that are supposed to be responsible for their children.

This is a lie and you know it. You have been told a dozen times parents have access to any classroom they wish to sit in.

 

[Blues Man]

Link?

Parent Observation in the Classroom | Wrightslaw Way

To paraphrase Jane Austen… it is a truth universally acknowledged that parental involvement supports positive student outcomes. But does ‘parental involvement’ extend to parents coming into the school to observe their child in his or her school setting? The answer is yes! A parent’s right to...

www.wrightslaw.com

The Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA), currently reauthorized as the Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA), states:

Section 8101 Definitions

(39) PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT- The term ‘parental involvement’ means the participation of parents in regular, two-way, and meaningful communication involving student academic learning and other school activities, including ensuring —

(A) that parents play an integral role in assisting their child’s learning;

(B) that parents are encouraged to be actively involved in their child’s education at school;

(C) that parents are full partners in their child’s education and are included, as appropriate, in decision making and on advisory committees to assist in the education of their child;

(D) the carrying out of other activities, such as those described in Section 1116.

Section 1116 Parent and Family Engagement

(d) SHARED RESPONSIBILITIES FOR HIGH STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT

[…] each school served under this part shall jointly develop with parents for all children served under this part a school-parent compact. […] Such compact shall —

(2) address the importance of communication between teachers and parents on an ongoing basis through, at a minimum —

(A) parent-teacher conferences in elementary schools, at least annually, during which the compact shall be discussed as the compact relates to the individual child’s achievement;

(B) frequent reports to parents on their children’s progress; and

(C) reasonable access to staff, opportunities to volunteer and participate in their child’s class, and observation of classroom activities [boldface added]; and

(D) ensuring regular two-way, meaningful communication between family members and school staff, and to the extent practicable, in a language that family members can understand.

 

[Blues Man]

This is a lie and you know it. You have been told a dozen times parents have access to any classroom they wish to sit in.

And there is no difference between sitting in a class and watching that class on a video except for the fact that a parent's presence in a class will change the behavior of both the teacher and the other students.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Parent Observation in the Classroom | Wrightslaw Way

To paraphrase Jane Austen… it is a truth universally acknowledged that parental involvement supports positive student outcomes. But does ‘parental involvement’ extend to parents coming into the school to observe their child in his or her school setting? The answer is yes! A parent’s right to...

www.wrightslaw.com

The Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA), currently reauthorized as the Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA), states:

Section 8101 Definitions

(39) PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT- The term ‘parental involvement’ means the participation of parents in regular, two-way, and meaningful communication involving student academic learning and other school activities, including ensuring —

(A) that parents play an integral role in assisting their child’s learning;

(B) that parents are encouraged to be actively involved in their child’s education at school;

(C) that parents are full partners in their child’s education and are included, as appropriate, in decision making and on advisory committees to assist in the education of their child;

(D) the carrying out of other activities, such as those described in Section 1116.

Section 1116 Parent and Family Engagement

(d) SHARED RESPONSIBILITIES FOR HIGH STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT

[…] each school served under this part shall jointly develop with parents for all children served under this part a school-parent compact. […] Such compact shall —

(2) address the importance of communication between teachers and parents on an ongoing basis through, at a minimum —

(A) parent-teacher conferences in elementary schools, at least annually, during which the compact shall be discussed as the compact relates to the individual child’s achievement;

(B) frequent reports to parents on their children’s progress; and

(C) reasonable access to staff, opportunities to volunteer and participate in their child’s class, and observation of classroom activities [boldface added]; and

(D) ensuring regular two-way, meaningful communication between family members and school staff, and to the extent practicable, in a language that family members can understand.

So, you know that all of this exist and then you turn around and say that parents are denied free access.

Why would you do that?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

And there is no difference between sitting in a class and watching that class on a video except for the fact that a parent's presence in a class will change the behavior of both the teacher and the other students.

And that fact there is no chance of the video falling into the wrong hands when the parent is just sitting there.