OK, I'll admit it, our friends on the left are correct; there IS a catch to the Trump tax cuts

[francoHFW]

They used to pay for other people's education when America was great in the 40s 50s 60s and 70s... Funny how we're now a wreck of what we used to be and it's getting worse...

Who used to pay?

Can you back that up?

The top rate for the richest was 70 80 90% before Reagan. Reagan brought it down to 50% and gave us the kiss of death of 28% just before he left. They used to use that money to invest in America and Americans. Now we've been falling apart for 35 years, ignorant dupe.

Those taxes were imposed to pay for the world wars.

How much were tax rates before progressives?

The tax rates and corrupt regulation that led to the Great Depression, you mean?

Taxes before the war were 15%. To pay for the WWI they were increased to 67% and 77%. After seven years of "paying for the war", taxes were dropped to 25%.

You say that caused the Great Depression that started four years after taxes were dropped. True or false?

It did not help but that's the way it goes in let's have a bubble GOP eras. The main problem was allowing Wall Street to sell stocks with only 10% margin down. Ridiculous capitalist idiocy... Much like 2008... And you dupes blame Fannie and Freddie when Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions and their Pals in the GOP letting them run wild...

 

[francoHFW]

Obama gave the middle class a payroll tax cut in 2009 just as high a percentage as Trump's tax cuts and nothing for the bloated lying cheating GOP rich...

He extended the Bush tax cuts, so he didn't really gave any. Payroll tax cut you're talking about is actually d two percent cut on social security tax, where taxpayers paid 2% less while employer still paid full amount.

It was the middle of a gigantic GOP corrupt economic meltdown, a world depression and a depression for us if we hadn't spent 7 trillion dollars or more, dupe. That's no time for a tax hike on anyone. Yes that payroll tax cut is the same as the middle class will get with this stupid Trump giveaway to himself and the bloated rich. And the GOP kept the payroll tax from being extended...

Mortgage meltdown came from Clinton forcing banks to give "free" mortgages to those who can't pay for them, and Bush continuing with that policy.

How much 2% cut can save to middle class people a year, $1000? It's like winning the lottery, eh soyboy?

Funny how under Bush Worthy low income became anybody with a heartbeat... Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of their market share, and buddies of bush Regulators private financial institutions took over the market and gave us a world depression, great job scumbag GOP and silly dupes... They're probably at it again right now.

Who decides what is F&F market share?

You do know why they lost that market share, right?

Because of the Boom in BS Lending by chrony private lenders who are Pals of the GOP Regulators if you can call them that... D u h

 

[francoHFW]

The Dupes are so stupid, worshipping the greedy idiot brainwashing rich and voting against their own interests.

Notice how many of the dumbasses arguing against me don't even know what income is or how income taxation works. But here they are arguing about the income tax bill!

I noticed you two proponents of Marxism are in minority here.

Obviously you don't even know what Marxism is...we are hardly in favor of a dictatorship owning all businesses and Industry, brainwashed functional moron LOL!

 

[Ame®icano]

He extended the Bush tax cuts, so he didn't really gave any. Payroll tax cut you're talking about is actually d two percent cut on social security tax, where taxpayers paid 2% less while employer still paid full amount.

It was the middle of a gigantic GOP corrupt economic meltdown, a world depression and a depression for us if we hadn't spent 7 trillion dollars or more, dupe. That's no time for a tax hike on anyone. Yes that payroll tax cut is the same as the middle class will get with this stupid Trump giveaway to himself and the bloated rich. And the GOP kept the payroll tax from being extended...

Mortgage meltdown came from Clinton forcing banks to give "free" mortgages to those who can't pay for them, and Bush continuing with that policy.

How much 2% cut can save to middle class people a year, $1000? It's like winning the lottery, eh soyboy?

Funny how under Bush Worthy low income became anybody with a heartbeat... Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of their market share, and buddies of bush Regulators private financial institutions took over the market and gave us a world depression, great job scumbag GOP and silly dupes... They're probably at it again right now.

Who decides what is F&F market share?

You do know why they lost that market share, right?

Because of the Boom in BS Lending by chrony private lenders who are Pals of the GOP Regulators if you can call them that... D u h

I'm not surprised you know so little. That's why you vote D.

F&F were not regulated by GOP. In fact, every attempt to regulate them was rejected and blocked by the Dems.

 

[Ame®icano]

The Dupes are so stupid, worshipping the greedy idiot brainwashing rich and voting against their own interests.

Notice how many of the dumbasses arguing against me don't even know what income is or how income taxation works. But here they are arguing about the income tax bill!

I noticed you two proponents of Marxism are in minority here.

Obviously you don't even know what Marxism is...we are hardly in favor of a dictatorship owning all businesses and Industry, brainwashed functional moron LOL!

It's interesting that what you wan't is exactly what Marxism and communism is, you just not realizing that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Who used to pay?

Can you back that up?

The top rate for the richest was 70 80 90% before Reagan. Reagan brought it down to 50% and gave us the kiss of death of 28% just before he left. They used to use that money to invest in America and Americans. Now we've been falling apart for 35 years, ignorant dupe.

Those taxes were imposed to pay for the world wars.

How much were tax rates before progressives?

The tax rates and corrupt regulation that led to the Great Depression, you mean?

Taxes before the war were 15%. To pay for the WWI they were increased to 67% and 77%. After seven years of "paying for the war", taxes were dropped to 25%.

You say that caused the Great Depression that started four years after taxes were dropped. True or false?

It did not help but that's the way it goes in let's have a bubble GOP eras. The main problem was allowing Wall Street to sell stocks with only 10% margin down. Ridiculous capitalist idiocy... Much like 2008... And you dupes blame Fannie and Freddie when Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions and their Pals in the GOP letting them run wild...

Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions

How many billions in subprime mortgages did Fannie and Freddie hold?

 

[francoHFW]

It was the middle of a gigantic GOP corrupt economic meltdown, a world depression and a depression for us if we hadn't spent 7 trillion dollars or more, dupe. That's no time for a tax hike on anyone. Yes that payroll tax cut is the same as the middle class will get with this stupid Trump giveaway to himself and the bloated rich. And the GOP kept the payroll tax from being extended...

Mortgage meltdown came from Clinton forcing banks to give "free" mortgages to those who can't pay for them, and Bush continuing with that policy.

How much 2% cut can save to middle class people a year, $1000? It's like winning the lottery, eh soyboy?

Funny how under Bush Worthy low income became anybody with a heartbeat... Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of their market share, and buddies of bush Regulators private financial institutions took over the market and gave us a world depression, great job scumbag GOP and silly dupes... They're probably at it again right now.

Who decides what is F&F market share?

You do know why they lost that market share, right?

Because of the Boom in BS Lending by chrony private lenders who are Pals of the GOP Regulators if you can call them that... D u h

I'm not surprised you know so little. That's why you vote D.

F&F were not regulated by GOP. In fact, every attempt to regulate them was rejected and blocked by the Dems.

The problem was never Fannie and Freddie, brainwashed functional s*******... It was the private lending organizations that sold mortgages to anyone even breathing. And they were rated A+... Your GOP Regulators are garbage. How many times do they have to wreck the country for you idiots to understand? See 1929, SNL Scandal in 1988 and many other times.

 

[francoHFW]

The top rate for the richest was 70 80 90% before Reagan. Reagan brought it down to 50% and gave us the kiss of death of 28% just before he left. They used to use that money to invest in America and Americans. Now we've been falling apart for 35 years, ignorant dupe.

Those taxes were imposed to pay for the world wars.

How much were tax rates before progressives?

The tax rates and corrupt regulation that led to the Great Depression, you mean?

Taxes before the war were 15%. To pay for the WWI they were increased to 67% and 77%. After seven years of "paying for the war", taxes were dropped to 25%.

You say that caused the Great Depression that started four years after taxes were dropped. True or false?

It did not help but that's the way it goes in let's have a bubble GOP eras. The main problem was allowing Wall Street to sell stocks with only 10% margin down. Ridiculous capitalist idiocy... Much like 2008... And you dupes blame Fannie and Freddie when Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions and their Pals in the GOP letting them run wild...

Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions

How many billions in subprime mortgages did Fannie and Freddie hold?

Not as much as the private institutions that had 75% of the market by 2003 already, when Fannie and Freddie had 75% of the market a year or two before. Welcome to the Real World, Dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

The Dupes are so stupid, worshipping the greedy idiot brainwashing rich and voting against their own interests.

Notice how many of the dumbasses arguing against me don't even know what income is or how income taxation works. But here they are arguing about the income tax bill!

I noticed you two proponents of Marxism are in minority here.

Obviously you don't even know what Marxism is...we are hardly in favor of a dictatorship owning all businesses and Industry, brainwashed functional moron LOL!

It's interesting that what you wan't is exactly what Marxism and communism is, you just not realizing that.

Healthcare for all, paid parental leave, cheap daycare cheap college loans cheap training for tech jobs going begging 3 to 6 million, a living wage, 1 month paid vacation after year work are not communism, brainwashed functional moron. Just intelligent. We are the only modern country without any of that, thanks to the scumbag greedy idiot Rich GOP and silly dupes like you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Those taxes were imposed to pay for the world wars.

How much were tax rates before progressives?

The tax rates and corrupt regulation that led to the Great Depression, you mean?

Taxes before the war were 15%. To pay for the WWI they were increased to 67% and 77%. After seven years of "paying for the war", taxes were dropped to 25%.

You say that caused the Great Depression that started four years after taxes were dropped. True or false?

It did not help but that's the way it goes in let's have a bubble GOP eras. The main problem was allowing Wall Street to sell stocks with only 10% margin down. Ridiculous capitalist idiocy... Much like 2008... And you dupes blame Fannie and Freddie when Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions and their Pals in the GOP letting them run wild...

Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions

How many billions in subprime mortgages did Fannie and Freddie hold?

Not as much as the private institutions that had 75% of the market by 2003 already, when Fannie and Freddie had 75% of the market a year or two before. Welcome to the Real World, Dupe.

Not as much as the private institutions

So how many billions?

 

[francoHFW]

The tax rates and corrupt regulation that led to the Great Depression, you mean?

Taxes before the war were 15%. To pay for the WWI they were increased to 67% and 77%. After seven years of "paying for the war", taxes were dropped to 25%.

You say that caused the Great Depression that started four years after taxes were dropped. True or false?

It did not help but that's the way it goes in let's have a bubble GOP eras. The main problem was allowing Wall Street to sell stocks with only 10% margin down. Ridiculous capitalist idiocy... Much like 2008... And you dupes blame Fannie and Freddie when Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions and their Pals in the GOP letting them run wild...

Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions

How many billions in subprime mortgages did Fannie and Freddie hold?

Not as much as the private institutions that had 75% of the market by 2003 already, when Fannie and Freddie had 75% of the market a year or two before. Welcome to the Real World, Dupe.

Not as much as the private institutions

So how many billions?

Eat s*** and die number of billions, ignoramus. Look it up yourself. Do you have a computer or smartphone I'm not your God damn mother LOL. Change the channel and read something.

 

[Ame®icano]

Mortgage meltdown came from Clinton forcing banks to give "free" mortgages to those who can't pay for them, and Bush continuing with that policy.

How much 2% cut can save to middle class people a year, $1000? It's like winning the lottery, eh soyboy?

Funny how under Bush Worthy low income became anybody with a heartbeat... Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of their market share, and buddies of bush Regulators private financial institutions took over the market and gave us a world depression, great job scumbag GOP and silly dupes... They're probably at it again right now.

Who decides what is F&F market share?

You do know why they lost that market share, right?

Because of the Boom in BS Lending by chrony private lenders who are Pals of the GOP Regulators if you can call them that... D u h

I'm not surprised you know so little. That's why you vote D.

F&F were not regulated by GOP. In fact, every attempt to regulate them was rejected and blocked by the Dems.

The problem was never Fannie and Freddie, brainwashed functional s*******... It was the private lending organizations that sold mortgages to anyone even breathing. And they were rated A+... Your GOP Regulators are garbage. How many times do they have to wreck the country for you idiots to understand? See 1929, SNL Scandal in 1988 and many other times.

You heard that on CNN or?

Let's make it as simple is possible, so you can understand it.

Government wants to force banks to give mortgages, banks still reject that.
Government threaten to sue banks for redlining and discrimination, banks still reject it.
Government offers banks to buy their mortgages to minimize their risks, banks accept it.

F&F buys mortgages from the banks. Banks use money received from F&F to issue more mortgages.
In order for F&F to buy more mortgages from the banks they repackage previously bought mortgages (good and bad) and sell them as AAA mortgage securities.
Money from sale they use to buy new mortgages from the banks.

Credit rating agencies were rating those securities as AAA because government claim they were the safest securities on the market.
When asked for audit of F&F, government rejected it.
Of course they were not safest securities and were doomed to flop.
When bubble popped, government blame private banks.

Now, replace word government with Democrats, and you'll get true picture.

That's short version, I doubt you could comprehend longer one.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Taxes before the war were 15%. To pay for the WWI they were increased to 67% and 77%. After seven years of "paying for the war", taxes were dropped to 25%.

You say that caused the Great Depression that started four years after taxes were dropped. True or false?

It did not help but that's the way it goes in let's have a bubble GOP eras. The main problem was allowing Wall Street to sell stocks with only 10% margin down. Ridiculous capitalist idiocy... Much like 2008... And you dupes blame Fannie and Freddie when Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions and their Pals in the GOP letting them run wild...

Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions

How many billions in subprime mortgages did Fannie and Freddie hold?

Not as much as the private institutions that had 75% of the market by 2003 already, when Fannie and Freddie had 75% of the market a year or two before. Welcome to the Real World, Dupe.

Not as much as the private institutions

So how many billions?

Eat s*** and die number of billions, ignoramus. Look it up yourself. Do you have a computer or smartphone I'm not your God damn mother LOL. Change the channel and read something.

Just because you've got a sandy **** doesn't mean your moronic claims are correct.

 

[Ame®icano]

Taxes before the war were 15%. To pay for the WWI they were increased to 67% and 77%. After seven years of "paying for the war", taxes were dropped to 25%.

You say that caused the Great Depression that started four years after taxes were dropped. True or false?

It did not help but that's the way it goes in let's have a bubble GOP eras. The main problem was allowing Wall Street to sell stocks with only 10% margin down. Ridiculous capitalist idiocy... Much like 2008... And you dupes blame Fannie and Freddie when Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions and their Pals in the GOP letting them run wild...

Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions

How many billions in subprime mortgages did Fannie and Freddie hold?

Not as much as the private institutions that had 75% of the market by 2003 already, when Fannie and Freddie had 75% of the market a year or two before. Welcome to the Real World, Dupe.

Not as much as the private institutions

So how many billions?

Eat s*** and die number of billions, ignoramus. Look it up yourself. Do you have a computer or smartphone I'm not your God damn mother LOL. Change the channel and read something.

Whenever asked for the facts, you lefties get defensive and bail out.

Every single time.

 

[francoHFW]

Funny how under Bush Worthy low income became anybody with a heartbeat... Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of their market share, and buddies of bush Regulators private financial institutions took over the market and gave us a world depression, great job scumbag GOP and silly dupes... They're probably at it again right now.

Who decides what is F&F market share?

You do know why they lost that market share, right?

Because of the Boom in BS Lending by chrony private lenders who are Pals of the GOP Regulators if you can call them that... D u h

I'm not surprised you know so little. That's why you vote D.

F&F were not regulated by GOP. In fact, every attempt to regulate them was rejected and blocked by the Dems.

The problem was never Fannie and Freddie, brainwashed functional s*******... It was the private lending organizations that sold mortgages to anyone even breathing. And they were rated A+... Your GOP Regulators are garbage. How many times do they have to wreck the country for you idiots to understand? See 1929, SNL Scandal in 1988 and many other times.

You heard that on CNN or?

Let's make it as simple is possible, so you can understand it.

Government wants to force banks to give mortgages, banks still reject that.
Government threaten to sue banks for redlining and discrimination, banks still reject it.
Government offers banks to buy their mortgages to minimize their risks, banks accept it.

F&F buys mortgages from the banks. Banks use money received from F&F to issue more mortgages.
In order for F&F to buy more mortgages from the banks they repackage previously bought mortgages (good and bad) and sell them as AAA mortgage securities.
Money from sale they use to buy new mortgages from the banks.

Credit rating agencies were rating those securities as AAA because government claim they were the safest securities on the market.
When asked for audit of F&F, government rejected it.
Of course they were not safest securities and were doomed to flop.
When bubble popped, government blame private banks.

Now, replace word government with Democrats, and you'll get true picture.

That's short version, I doubt you could comprehend longer one.

Amazing how full of s*** you dupes are LOL.

 

[francoHFW]

It did not help but that's the way it goes in let's have a bubble GOP eras. The main problem was allowing Wall Street to sell stocks with only 10% margin down. Ridiculous capitalist idiocy... Much like 2008... And you dupes blame Fannie and Freddie when Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions and their Pals in the GOP letting them run wild...

Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions

How many billions in subprime mortgages did Fannie and Freddie hold?

Not as much as the private institutions that had 75% of the market by 2003 already, when Fannie and Freddie had 75% of the market a year or two before. Welcome to the Real World, Dupe.

Not as much as the private institutions

So how many billions?

Eat s*** and die number of billions, ignoramus. Look it up yourself. Do you have a computer or smartphone I'm not your God damn mother LOL. Change the channel and read something.

Whenever asked for the facts, you lefties get defensive and bail out.

Every single time.

I have answered so many stupid questions from toddster it's ridiculous. Private lending institutions and GOP regulators letting them run wild were the problem. Duh...

 

[francoHFW]

It did not help but that's the way it goes in let's have a bubble GOP eras. The main problem was allowing Wall Street to sell stocks with only 10% margin down. Ridiculous capitalist idiocy... Much like 2008... And you dupes blame Fannie and Freddie when Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions and their Pals in the GOP letting them run wild...

Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions

How many billions in subprime mortgages did Fannie and Freddie hold?

Not as much as the private institutions that had 75% of the market by 2003 already, when Fannie and Freddie had 75% of the market a year or two before. Welcome to the Real World, Dupe.

Not as much as the private institutions

So how many billions?

Eat s*** and die number of billions, ignoramus. Look it up yourself. Do you have a computer or smartphone I'm not your God damn mother LOL. Change the channel and read something.

Just because you've got a sandy **** doesn't mean your moronic claims are correct.

No material is thicker than Dupe skull... LOL

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions

How many billions in subprime mortgages did Fannie and Freddie hold?

Not as much as the private institutions that had 75% of the market by 2003 already, when Fannie and Freddie had 75% of the market a year or two before. Welcome to the Real World, Dupe.

Not as much as the private institutions

So how many billions?

Eat s*** and die number of billions, ignoramus. Look it up yourself. Do you have a computer or smartphone I'm not your God damn mother LOL. Change the channel and read something.

Whenever asked for the facts, you lefties get defensive and bail out.

Every single time.

I have answered so many stupid questions from toddster it's ridiculous. Private lending institutions and GOP regulators letting them run wild were the problem. Duh...

And the hundreds of billions in crappy mortgages that Fannie and Freddie bought
had no impact on the bubble?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fannie and Freddie lost two-thirds of the market and it was all about private financial institutions

How many billions in subprime mortgages did Fannie and Freddie hold?

Not as much as the private institutions that had 75% of the market by 2003 already, when Fannie and Freddie had 75% of the market a year or two before. Welcome to the Real World, Dupe.

Not as much as the private institutions

So how many billions?

Eat s*** and die number of billions, ignoramus. Look it up yourself. Do you have a computer or smartphone I'm not your God damn mother LOL. Change the channel and read something.

Just because you've got a sandy **** doesn't mean your moronic claims are correct.

No material is thicker than Dupe skull... LOL

Or thinner than liberal logic.

 

[francoHFW]

Not going through that again for the nth time.. meanwhile back at the thread, the great majority of the tax cuts are going to the incredibly bloated rich and giant corporations who don't need them after 35 years of Pander to the rich GOP tax rates. The middle and working classes need big help for a change, along with our infrastructure and services... And no, dupes, I'm not talking about the lowest victims on welfare... That's okay, though they too could use cheaper education and Training so they could get some jobs...