Ohio state killer ..

[2aguy]

This attack does demonstrate my point all along that if people used knives, not guns, to take out their animus on others, less would be dead in these mass murder attempts.
9 injured, all with non-life threatening injuries as of this morning. Now, it was horrible for those poor kids and I wish it had not happened, but if he'd had an AR15, the count would be a lot worse. And some of the injuries were from the vehicle. With a knife, you gotta catch 'em first. You haven't got a lot of time when you jump into a crowd. They'll be out of your way soon.

I think you may be right. Since most mass shootings are with illegal guns, lets ban them! I would donate to that cause

Most of the mass shootings I'm recalling were done with legal guns. San Bernardino, Newtown, Orlando...
If you're talking about inner city shootings, it is difficult to do a drive-by knifing, as well.

Most mass shootings are in the ghetto.. and gangs are not using legal guns lol.
Newtown and San Bern were with illegal guns

Those guns were purchased legally. I have suggested ways to get illegal guns off the streets, but no one is buying that, either. Everybody wants their killing machine.

What were your suggestions? I dont see any way to get illegal guns off the street. You wouldn't believe the arsenals of some people I know. The best bet is to require background checks for ammo or magazines IMO.

And again.....it does nothing since ammo is even easier to "lose"......a straw ammo buyer will simply state they used up the ammo...since gangs don't need all that much ammo to do their crimes anyway.......

another stupid ******* idea that does nothing to address actual criminals committing actual crimes...instead...once again you are going after law abiding people.........

once you were to get background checks for ammo....and it does nothing to stop criminals or mass shooters...you will want to have each bullet verified by the owner ...........you guys are not rational people.....

Arrest criminals when they commit crimes with guns.....this has the magical quality of actually sorting out the criminal from the non criminal......

 

[2aguy]

Most mass shootings are in the ghetto.. and gangs are not using legal guns lol.
Newtown and San Bern were with illegal guns

Those guns were purchased legally. I have suggested ways to get illegal guns off the streets, but no one is buying that, either. Everybody wants their killing machine.

Guns taken illegally are still illegal guns even if the last purchase of them was legal.

And the way to get illegal guns off the street is obvious; Stop and Frisk.

But liberals and libertarians would rather see people die than increase their risk of getting busted with weed int heir pockets, lol.

Why can't the cops just be limited to arrests for illegal weapons, if that is what stop and frisk is for? I have no objection to it, if it isn't misused. I have heard it is sucessfully used in a number of cities. New York just wasn't applying it correctly and instead of fixing it, pols managed to ditch it altogether.

Stop and frisk does work.......it lowered the gun murder rate in New York......but they ditched it because the black gang bangers were black...and they complained that they were being targeted for being black...instead of actually being targeted as known gang bangers....so now they carry guns without having to worry...and the crime rate is going up again...

 

[Asclepias]

What the **** does owning a gun has to do with the attacks that happen!?!

Not a damn thing and yet your limp wrist liberal nutter ass keep on yammering about gun ownership!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!

What am I thinking because you believe that firearms are bad and will use any tragedy to further your anti-gun propaganda!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!
You do NOT want to go there this time. The kid was feeling anti-Muslim sentiment here and felt threatened. Now, I will grant you that a typical human does not go from there to a mass killing spree (as the other 48,000 peaceable Somali's in Ohio will attest), but with these damned jihadi cheerleaders spewing their garbage, anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants. Where do you think he got these feelings of being unwelcome? Probably on social media--if as so many conservatives keep saying, the universities are full of snowflakes who love their muzzies. How do we know Artan did not read some of the beauties on this board?
Beliefs have consequences.

anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants
People are assholes. But people also shouldn't use anothers derangement to affect their lives.
It was HIS fault. Not some asshole that dislikes muslims.

If you KNOW the words coming out of your mouth are going to incite or make fearful a large group of people, you champion saying it anyway? Even when you know you are laying the groundwork that leads a few to disenfranchisement and violence? Yes, it was his fault. It was the fault of the terrorists spreading their hate, and it was the fault of the people who made him feel nervous and unwelcome that made it easy for him to turn to the jihadi's.
I don't defend the people verbally attacking Muslims as dangerous, anti-American, etc. anymore than I defend Artan for what he did.

You were right in that earlier post. Americas actions abroad have enabled nutcases to use a religion as an excuse to murder people. People that happen to be part of that religion are going to start fighting back against those that have targeted them for persecution.

I hope you're right.

I hope I'm wrong but knowing human nature people can only take so much. I see the terrorist attacks increasing which will be a self fulfilling prophesy caused by the retarded anti-muslims.

 

[2aguy]

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!
You do NOT want to go there this time. The kid was feeling anti-Muslim sentiment here and felt threatened. Now, I will grant you that a typical human does not go from there to a mass killing spree (as the other 48,000 peaceable Somali's in Ohio will attest), but with these damned jihadi cheerleaders spewing their garbage, anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants. Where do you think he got these feelings of being unwelcome? Probably on social media--if as so many conservatives keep saying, the universities are full of snowflakes who love their muzzies. How do we know Artan did not read some of the beauties on this board?
Beliefs have consequences.

anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants
People are assholes. But people also shouldn't use anothers derangement to affect their lives.
It was HIS fault. Not some asshole that dislikes muslims.

If you KNOW the words coming out of your mouth are going to incite or make fearful a large group of people, you champion saying it anyway? Even when you know you are laying the groundwork that leads a few to disenfranchisement and violence? Yes, it was his fault. It was the fault of the terrorists spreading their hate, and it was the fault of the people who made him feel nervous and unwelcome that made it easy for him to turn to the jihadi's.
I don't defend the people verbally attacking Muslims as dangerous, anti-American, etc. anymore than I defend Artan for what he did.

You were right in that earlier post. Americas actions abroad have enabled nutcases to use a religion as an excuse to murder people. People that happen to be part of that religion are going to start fighting back against those that have targeted them for persecution.

I hope you're right.

I hope I'm wrong but knowing human nature people can only take so much. I see the terrorist attacks increasing which will be a self fulfilling prophesy caused by the retarded anti-muslims.

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

 

[Asclepias]

I think you may be right. Since most mass shootings are with illegal guns, lets ban them! I would donate to that cause

Most of the mass shootings I'm recalling were done with legal guns. San Bernardino, Newtown, Orlando...
If you're talking about inner city shootings, it is difficult to do a drive-by knifing, as well.

Most mass shootings are in the ghetto.. and gangs are not using legal guns lol.
Newtown and San Bern were with illegal guns

Those guns were purchased legally. I have suggested ways to get illegal guns off the streets, but no one is buying that, either. Everybody wants their killing machine.

What were your suggestions? I dont see any way to get illegal guns off the street. You wouldn't believe the arsenals of some people I know. The best bet is to require background checks for ammo or magazines IMO.

And again.....it does nothing since ammo is even easier to "lose"......a straw ammo buyer will simply state they used up the ammo...since gangs don't need all that much ammo to do their crimes anyway.......

another stupid ******* idea that does nothing to address actual criminals committing actual crimes...instead...once again you are going after law abiding people.........

once you were to get background checks for ammo....and it does nothing to stop criminals or mass shooters...you will want to have each bullet verified by the owner ...........you guys are not rational people.....

Arrest criminals when they commit crimes with guns.....this has the magical quality of actually sorting out the criminal from the non criminal......

if you "lose" your ammo you should go to prison for being irresponsible. Youre right though. It wont work as the rednecks will find a way to get the ammo anyway.

 

[TNHarley]

IMO the ONLY legit argument for an honest discussion about guns involves gangs and mental illness.

 

[Asclepias]

anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants
People are assholes. But people also shouldn't use anothers derangement to affect their lives.
It was HIS fault. Not some asshole that dislikes muslims.

If you KNOW the words coming out of your mouth are going to incite or make fearful a large group of people, you champion saying it anyway? Even when you know you are laying the groundwork that leads a few to disenfranchisement and violence? Yes, it was his fault. It was the fault of the terrorists spreading their hate, and it was the fault of the people who made him feel nervous and unwelcome that made it easy for him to turn to the jihadi's.
I don't defend the people verbally attacking Muslims as dangerous, anti-American, etc. anymore than I defend Artan for what he did.

You were right in that earlier post. Americas actions abroad have enabled nutcases to use a religion as an excuse to murder people. People that happen to be part of that religion are going to start fighting back against those that have targeted them for persecution.

I hope you're right.

I hope I'm wrong but knowing human nature people can only take so much. I see the terrorist attacks increasing which will be a self fulfilling prophesy caused by the retarded anti-muslims.

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

 

[TNHarley]

If you KNOW the words coming out of your mouth are going to incite or make fearful a large group of people, you champion saying it anyway? Even when you know you are laying the groundwork that leads a few to disenfranchisement and violence? Yes, it was his fault. It was the fault of the terrorists spreading their hate, and it was the fault of the people who made him feel nervous and unwelcome that made it easy for him to turn to the jihadi's.
I don't defend the people verbally attacking Muslims as dangerous, anti-American, etc. anymore than I defend Artan for what he did.

You were right in that earlier post. Americas actions abroad have enabled nutcases to use a religion as an excuse to murder people. People that happen to be part of that religion are going to start fighting back against those that have targeted them for persecution.

I hope you're right.

I hope I'm wrong but knowing human nature people can only take so much. I see the terrorist attacks increasing which will be a self fulfilling prophesy caused by the retarded anti-muslims.

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

Their entire religion/political ideology is attack people different from you. Your post is a fallacy.

 

[2aguy]

Here is an article on why background checks are stupid....


Symbolic Gesture Illustrates Idiocy of Background Check Law

One universal Background check that is already law....

The Oregon Firearms Safety Act (OFSA), enacted in 2015, follows the template of such “universal background check” laws and initiatives. The OFSA applies when any change of possession of a gun occurs, even if ownership or title remains the same, by defining a “transfer” as any “delivery of a firearm from a transferor to a transferee, including, but not limited to, the sale, gift, loan or lease of the firearm.”

It prohibits a gun sale or “transfer” between persons who are not federally licensed, unless the transaction is completed through a licensed gun dealer. Both parties “must appear in person before a gun dealer, with the firearm, and request that the gun dealer perform a criminal background check on the transferee.”

What does this mean in reality..........

Dealers are authorized to charge fees for “facilitating” these transactions, which means a loan of a gun costs the lender or borrower twice over (once for the loan, and again when the gun is returned).

A person who fails to comply with these requirements commits a criminal offense –a felony if the person has a previous conviction.

The OFSA has limited exceptions, including temporary transfers between specified family members (but not in-laws), for law enforcement officers (only “while that person is acting within the scope of official duties”), or to prevent death or serious physical injury (but the threat must be “imminent” and the gun must be returned “immediately”).


This is the funny part......one of the first people to get caught up in this law....is a rabid, anti gunner minister who won a gun in raffle that he planned to destroy....he then went on to break this law...unintentionally.......but he should be punished to the full extent of this law...because he supports this foolishness....

Reverend Lucas, a former lawyer and lobbyist, purchased $3,000 worth of tickets for a softball team’s raffle of an AR-15 rifle, seeking to win the rifle so he could destroy it in a symbolic act. After winning the raffle, Rev.

Lucas went through the mandatory background check process at a licensed gun dealer before claiming the gun.

He reportedly then gave the gun to a parishioner to store while he decided what to do with it.

Regardless of motive or intent, the “delivery of a firearm” to another person for storage is still a “transfer” governed by the OFSA.

According to news reports, local police have asked the Oregon State Police to investigate the matter. If convicted of a misdemeanor violation of the OFSA, Rev. Lucas could face a maximum fine of $6,250 and up to a year in jail.

As a law abiding citizen...I hope the minister is punished to the full extent of this law......I hope he enjoys prison food......

Better him than someone else.......

And this is another part of the real intent behind the law...to harrass normal gun owners in common gun activities that before were completely innocent and legal.....and now are fraught with legal peril......

Similarly, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) issued a guidance concerning “transfers” during hunter education classes. Resting on a convoluted interpretation of the initiative law, this concluded that volunteer instructors were “law enforcement” and exempted from the background check requirements, but only “when in formal volunteer status for WDFW and acting within the scope of their authority.” However, student-to-student transfers of firearms would not qualify under that exemption, prompting a suggestion that instructors use only air rifles or facsimiles that did not meet the definition of a “firearm” under the initiative.

So.........uninformed people have no idea what the true intent of Universal Background checks are......first...to harrass normal gun owners and to make any innocent, common gun activity legally risky, in order to discourage gun ownership and use.....

The primary reason for background checks......to get gun registration.......this is the crown jewel of the anti gun movement........

 

[2aguy]

If you KNOW the words coming out of your mouth are going to incite or make fearful a large group of people, you champion saying it anyway? Even when you know you are laying the groundwork that leads a few to disenfranchisement and violence? Yes, it was his fault. It was the fault of the terrorists spreading their hate, and it was the fault of the people who made him feel nervous and unwelcome that made it easy for him to turn to the jihadi's.
I don't defend the people verbally attacking Muslims as dangerous, anti-American, etc. anymore than I defend Artan for what he did.

You were right in that earlier post. Americas actions abroad have enabled nutcases to use a religion as an excuse to murder people. People that happen to be part of that religion are going to start fighting back against those that have targeted them for persecution.

I hope you're right.

I hope I'm wrong but knowing human nature people can only take so much. I see the terrorist attacks increasing which will be a self fulfilling prophesy caused by the retarded anti-muslims.

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

They consider the U.S. one of their countries........

 

[Pumpkin Row]

I was about to say he's probably an Islamic Terrorist... buuut he didn't blow himself up.

Maybe he was just an unhappy guy who used violence to take some kind of revenge on people...who knows?
Or maybe he was crazy.
I have read something about him on the Internet and he doesn't seem a terrorist at all

Well, I was actually kidding, but while it's not confirmed that he's actually a terrorist, it sounds like he was.

 

[2aguy]

More stupidity on universal background checks.....

A Civilized (If Fruitless) Dialogue with a Gun Control Advocate - The Truth About Guns

Yes. First, historically background checks have proven ineffective. Felons and mental defectives have been prohibited by Federal law from so much as touching a firearm or a bullet since 1968. Yet felons who violate the 1968 law by attempting to purchase through a dealer are seldom prosecuted.

In 2014, your organizations backed I-594 in Washington State, which requires background checks on almost all transfers of firearms: ((25) “Transfer” means the intended delivery of a firearm to another person without consideration of payment or promise of payment including, but not limited to, gifts and loans.).

What that means that if my friend Alan who lives in Washington State wants to let my other friend Dave shoot his new gun at the range, they must first go to a dealer and have a background check done on Dave; then before Dave can give the gun back to Alan, they must go back to a dealer, and have a background check done on Alan.

Dave can’t load it for Alan. He can’t even hold it until they do the second background check. Is that what your really want? That was Mayor Bloomberg’s legislation.

Universal background checks mean universal registration, which too often has resulted in confiscation. This confiscation has already happened in California and New York).There is no upside to these checks and plenty of demonstrated downside.

 

[2aguy]

Most of the mass shootings I'm recalling were done with legal guns. San Bernardino, Newtown, Orlando...
If you're talking about inner city shootings, it is difficult to do a drive-by knifing, as well.

Most mass shootings are in the ghetto.. and gangs are not using legal guns lol.
Newtown and San Bern were with illegal guns

Those guns were purchased legally. I have suggested ways to get illegal guns off the streets, but no one is buying that, either. Everybody wants their killing machine.

What were your suggestions? I dont see any way to get illegal guns off the street. You wouldn't believe the arsenals of some people I know. The best bet is to require background checks for ammo or magazines IMO.

And again.....it does nothing since ammo is even easier to "lose"......a straw ammo buyer will simply state they used up the ammo...since gangs don't need all that much ammo to do their crimes anyway.......

another stupid ******* idea that does nothing to address actual criminals committing actual crimes...instead...once again you are going after law abiding people.........

once you were to get background checks for ammo....and it does nothing to stop criminals or mass shooters...you will want to have each bullet verified by the owner ...........you guys are not rational people.....

Arrest criminals when they commit crimes with guns.....this has the magical quality of actually sorting out the criminal from the non criminal......

if you "lose" your ammo you should go to prison for being irresponsible. Youre right though. It wont work as the rednecks will find a way to get the ammo anyway.

They can say they shot it up at the range.......and then give it to the gang bangers...

You anti gunners.......just arrest criminals when they are caught and lock them up...is that so ******* hard to understand....?

 

[MrMike]

There was no gun involved.

Instead of 9 injured, there would be 9 or more dead.

Maybe we should just outlaw Somali refugees.

How many Somali refugees have killed Americans compared to the number of gun-owning Americans who have killed Americans?

What the **** does owning a gun has to do with the attacks that happen!?!

Not a damn thing and yet your limp wrist liberal nutter ass keep on yammering about gun ownership!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!

What am I thinking because you believe that firearms are bad and will use any tragedy to further your anti-gun propaganda!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!
You do NOT want to go there this time. The kid was feeling anti-Muslim sentiment here and felt threatened. Now, I will grant you that a typical human does not go from there to a mass killing spree (as the other 48,000 peaceable Somali's in Ohio will attest), but with these damned jihadi cheerleaders spewing their garbage, anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants. Where do you think he got these feelings of being unwelcome? Probably on social media--if as so many conservatives keep saying, the universities are full of snowflakes who love their muzzies. How do we know Artan did not read some of the beauties on this board?
Beliefs have consequences.

Wow... that's some excuse you're parlaying there.

So... in order to offset the perception of Islamic followers being blood thirsty terrorists, the Somali takes his car and plows into random people then starts slashing to disprove that perception of Islam?

Oh yes... much illogic in wanting some future coddling for those folks is required!

 

[Asclepias]

You were right in that earlier post. Americas actions abroad have enabled nutcases to use a religion as an excuse to murder people. People that happen to be part of that religion are going to start fighting back against those that have targeted them for persecution.

I hope you're right.

I hope I'm wrong but knowing human nature people can only take so much. I see the terrorist attacks increasing which will be a self fulfilling prophesy caused by the retarded anti-muslims.

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

Their entire religion/political ideology is attack people different from you. Your post is a fallacy.

My Muslim neighbor says different and i believe him more than I believe you.

 

[Asclepias]

You were right in that earlier post. Americas actions abroad have enabled nutcases to use a religion as an excuse to murder people. People that happen to be part of that religion are going to start fighting back against those that have targeted them for persecution.

I hope you're right.

I hope I'm wrong but knowing human nature people can only take so much. I see the terrorist attacks increasing which will be a self fulfilling prophesy caused by the retarded anti-muslims.

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

They consider the U.S. one of their countries........

Nope. They hate the US. Thats why they live overseas.

 

[Asclepias]

Most mass shootings are in the ghetto.. and gangs are not using legal guns lol.
Newtown and San Bern were with illegal guns

Those guns were purchased legally. I have suggested ways to get illegal guns off the streets, but no one is buying that, either. Everybody wants their killing machine.

What were your suggestions? I dont see any way to get illegal guns off the street. You wouldn't believe the arsenals of some people I know. The best bet is to require background checks for ammo or magazines IMO.

And again.....it does nothing since ammo is even easier to "lose"......a straw ammo buyer will simply state they used up the ammo...since gangs don't need all that much ammo to do their crimes anyway.......

another stupid ******* idea that does nothing to address actual criminals committing actual crimes...instead...once again you are going after law abiding people.........

once you were to get background checks for ammo....and it does nothing to stop criminals or mass shooters...you will want to have each bullet verified by the owner ...........you guys are not rational people.....

Arrest criminals when they commit crimes with guns.....this has the magical quality of actually sorting out the criminal from the non criminal......

if you "lose" your ammo you should go to prison for being irresponsible. Youre right though. It wont work as the rednecks will find a way to get the ammo anyway.

They can say they shot it up at the range.......and then give it to the gang bangers...

You anti gunners.......just arrest criminals when they are caught and lock them up...is that so ******* hard to understand....?

They can say a lot of things. However, if they cant account for it they go to prison instead of giving it to inbred rednecks to place on the Black market.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I hope you're right.

I hope I'm wrong but knowing human nature people can only take so much. I see the terrorist attacks increasing which will be a self fulfilling prophesy caused by the retarded anti-muslims.

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

Their entire religion/political ideology is attack people different from you. Your post is a fallacy.

My Muslim neighbor says different and i believe him more than I believe you.

Are you interested in some oceanfront property?

I can sell you some cheap.

 

[Asclepias]

I hope I'm wrong but knowing human nature people can only take so much. I see the terrorist attacks increasing which will be a self fulfilling prophesy caused by the retarded anti-muslims.

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

Their entire religion/political ideology is attack people different from you. Your post is a fallacy.

My Muslim neighbor says different and i believe him more than I believe you.

Are you interested in some oceanfront property?

I can sell you some cheap.

I'm always interested in acquiring property but thats off topic.

 

[TNHarley]

I hope you're right.

I hope I'm wrong but knowing human nature people can only take so much. I see the terrorist attacks increasing which will be a self fulfilling prophesy caused by the retarded anti-muslims.

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

Their entire religion/political ideology is attack people different from you. Your post is a fallacy.

My Muslim neighbor says different and i believe him more than I believe you.

ummm worldwide caliphate? uncompromising struggles to obtain it? Dar al-harb?