Ohio state killer ..

[Asclepias]

I hope I'm wrong but knowing human nature people can only take so much. I see the terrorist attacks increasing which will be a self fulfilling prophesy caused by the retarded anti-muslims.

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

Their entire religion/political ideology is attack people different from you. Your post is a fallacy.

My Muslim neighbor says different and i believe him more than I believe you.

ummm worldwide caliphate? uncompromising struggles to obtain it? Dar al-harb?

You do realize most muslims dont believe in that bullshit dont you?

 

[OldLady]

Instead of 9 injured, there would be 9 or more dead.

Maybe we should just outlaw Somali refugees.

How many Somali refugees have killed Americans compared to the number of gun-owning Americans who have killed Americans?

What the **** does owning a gun has to do with the attacks that happen!?!

Not a damn thing and yet your limp wrist liberal nutter ass keep on yammering about gun ownership!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!

What am I thinking because you believe that firearms are bad and will use any tragedy to further your anti-gun propaganda!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!
You do NOT want to go there this time. The kid was feeling anti-Muslim sentiment here and felt threatened. Now, I will grant you that a typical human does not go from there to a mass killing spree (as the other 48,000 peaceable Somali's in Ohio will attest), but with these damned jihadi cheerleaders spewing their garbage, anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants. Where do you think he got these feelings of being unwelcome? Probably on social media--if as so many conservatives keep saying, the universities are full of snowflakes who love their muzzies. How do we know Artan did not read some of the beauties on this board?
Beliefs have consequences.

So it is Social Media fault for the Snowflake attack on society?

Blame Society and not the individual is the typical Progressive Liberal nonsense I expect every day!

No, the individual insecurities is his problem and not mine. If he dislike the comments by radicals then maybe he should just ignore sites like these and stick with ones that preach to kill non-believers, oh wait that is most likely the real story and that he was radicalized and social media that you are bashing should be the ones that radicalized these idiots and not slam places like this one!

Society has a limit amount of guilt for anyone actions in life. All of us have choices to make and if I get tire of a site then I leave it for a period of time. Not once have I thought about mass killing anyone because of someone comments on the Internet and let me ask what type of weak minded individual allow themselves to be hurt by words from some asshole you will never meet?

No, you should focus on the individual that committed the heinous act but of course society is at fault because those mean bullies on USMB can drive someone to commit mass murder or attacks on society!

****!

Can you read? I know you can, so stop twisting it all out of proportion. It is a FACTOR when hate speech is used against a group. I used USMB as an example of where one might hear that. I'm sure it's all over other social media as well, but I don't go there.
I talked about the other factors and I made it clear he is responsible. Now settle the **** down.

 

[OldLady]

If you KNOW the words coming out of your mouth are going to incite or make fearful a large group of people, you champion saying it anyway?

The people inciting the fear are the libtards that are quoting Trump out of context and twisting his meaning in order to provoke them to vote for Democrats.

Democratic Party LIARS are the reason for the fear in the Muslim and Hispanic communities because these groups trust the liars and do not go to get their information on what Trump said from primary sources.

??? How did Trump get in here? I have no idea what you're talking about and don't bother explaining. First good conversation in a week that didn't get into THAT.

 

[TNHarley]

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

Their entire religion/political ideology is attack people different from you. Your post is a fallacy.

My Muslim neighbor says different and i believe him more than I believe you.

ummm worldwide caliphate? uncompromising struggles to obtain it? Dar al-harb?

You do realize most muslims dont believe in that bullshit dont you?

Some probably don't. But most Western muslims have evolved.. ME, not so much. I read a PEW poll and 40% of sunni muslims think shia are an abomination. An abomination is islam basically means death. That's hundreds of millions of muslims that believe in 1400 year old bullshit. That is only 2 sects and I bet a lot of shia think the same about sunni.
Strictly for perspective.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Why can't the cops just be limited to arrests for illegal weapons, if that is what stop and frisk is for? I have no objection to it, if it isn't misused. I have heard it is sucessfully used in a number of cities. New York just wasn't applying it correctly and instead of fixing it, pols managed to ditch it altogether.

Yeah, 'Stop and Frisk' is more properly known as 'Stop, Talk and Frisk'. The idea is that the cop is trained to recognize signs of the person hiding something, looks for suspicious bulges and anything else that could be probable cause for a search, then they frisk them.

The anti's were too worried they might get busted for weed and would rather see hundreds killed with illegal guns rather than risk that.

 

[OldLady]

How many Somali refugees have killed Americans compared to the number of gun-owning Americans who have killed Americans?

What the **** does owning a gun has to do with the attacks that happen!?!

Not a damn thing and yet your limp wrist liberal nutter ass keep on yammering about gun ownership!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!

What am I thinking because you believe that firearms are bad and will use any tragedy to further your anti-gun propaganda!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!
You do NOT want to go there this time. The kid was feeling anti-Muslim sentiment here and felt threatened. Now, I will grant you that a typical human does not go from there to a mass killing spree (as the other 48,000 peaceable Somali's in Ohio will attest), but with these damned jihadi cheerleaders spewing their garbage, anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants. Where do you think he got these feelings of being unwelcome? Probably on social media--if as so many conservatives keep saying, the universities are full of snowflakes who love their muzzies. How do we know Artan did not read some of the beauties on this board?
Beliefs have consequences.

anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants
People are assholes. But people also shouldn't use anothers derangement to affect their lives.
It was HIS fault. Not some asshole that dislikes muslims.

If you KNOW the words coming out of your mouth are going to incite or make fearful a large group of people, you champion saying it anyway? Even when you know you are laying the groundwork that leads a few to disenfranchisement and violence? Yes, it was his fault. It was the fault of the terrorists spreading their hate, and it was the fault of the people who made him feel nervous and unwelcome that made it easy for him to turn to the jihadi's.
I don't defend the people verbally attacking Muslims as dangerous, anti-American, etc. anymore than I defend Artan for what he did.

No, it wasn't any one elses fault. It is solely on HIM.

I can count to three. I cited three factors that contribute to madness like his. Anti-Muslim hostility is one. Deal with it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

If you KNOW the words coming out of your mouth are going to incite or make fearful a large group of people, you champion saying it anyway?

The people inciting the fear are the libtards that are quoting Trump out of context and twisting his meaning in order to provoke them to vote for Democrats.

Democratic Party LIARS are the reason for the fear in the Muslim and Hispanic communities because these groups trust the liars and do not go to get their information on what Trump said from primary sources.

??? How did Trump get in here? I have no idea what you're talking about and don't bother explaining. First good conversation in a week that didn't get into THAT.

I will explain anyway for the lurkers here; Trump is the boogeyman that the left has been using to scare the shit out of any immigrant in this country the same way they do GOP nominees for POTUS every god damned 4 years like clock work.

And the major media plays right along by taking these nonsense charges seriously.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I can count to three.

Congratulations!

Trump is improving your world already and he isnt even in office yet!

 

[xyz]

No...you are wrong........the anti American, muslim radicals will attack us because we stand in their way....muslims have it better here than just about anywhere else in the world.....

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

Their entire religion/political ideology is attack people different from you. Your post is a fallacy.

My Muslim neighbor says different and i believe him more than I believe you.

ummm worldwide caliphate? uncompromising struggles to obtain it? Dar al-harb?

You do realize most muslims dont believe in that bullshit dont you?

But most Trump supporters believe Obama is a Muslim.

 

[OldLady]

Instead of 9 injured, there would be 9 or more dead.

Maybe we should just outlaw Somali refugees.

How many Somali refugees have killed Americans compared to the number of gun-owning Americans who have killed Americans?

What the **** does owning a gun has to do with the attacks that happen!?!

Not a damn thing and yet your limp wrist liberal nutter ass keep on yammering about gun ownership!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!

What am I thinking because you believe that firearms are bad and will use any tragedy to further your anti-gun propaganda!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!
You do NOT want to go there this time. The kid was feeling anti-Muslim sentiment here and felt threatened. Now, I will grant you that a typical human does not go from there to a mass killing spree (as the other 48,000 peaceable Somali's in Ohio will attest), but with these damned jihadi cheerleaders spewing their garbage, anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants. Where do you think he got these feelings of being unwelcome? Probably on social media--if as so many conservatives keep saying, the universities are full of snowflakes who love their muzzies. How do we know Artan did not read some of the beauties on this board?
Beliefs have consequences.

Sorry....the kid was not experiencing actual religious intolerance...he bitched that he couldn't find a quiet place to pray in public.......he was not threatened and was interviewed by friendly media about being a muslim........

the perpetuation of the myth of intolerance of muslims is fueling this crap....not actual intolerance of muslims....

Try reading what the kid actually said. He was nervous, didn't know what would happen to him, if he prayed in public. Out of that, where do you get he couldn't find someplace quiet? Obviously, nothing happened to him, and he was not threatened, but he FELT threatened. Why?

 

[Asclepias]

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

Their entire religion/political ideology is attack people different from you. Your post is a fallacy.

My Muslim neighbor says different and i believe him more than I believe you.

ummm worldwide caliphate? uncompromising struggles to obtain it? Dar al-harb?

You do realize most muslims dont believe in that bullshit dont you?

Some probably don't. But most Western muslims have evolved.. ME, not so much. I read a PEW poll and 40% of sunni muslims think shia are an abomination. An abomination is islam basically means death. That's hundreds of millions of muslims that believe in 1400 year old bullshit. That is only 2 sects and I bet a lot of shia think the same about sunni.
Strictly for perspective.

Where are you getting your information? There is no word abomination in Arabic that means death. Its translated to mean abomination for a reason. If it meant death then they would say death instead of abomination.

 

[Asclepias]

Yes. Stop standing in their countries and they wont attack us.

Their entire religion/political ideology is attack people different from you. Your post is a fallacy.

My Muslim neighbor says different and i believe him more than I believe you.

ummm worldwide caliphate? uncompromising struggles to obtain it? Dar al-harb?

You do realize most muslims dont believe in that bullshit dont you?

But most Trump supporters believe Obama is a Muslim.

Thats only because he could pass for a ME person if he wanted to.

 

[TNHarley]

What the **** does owning a gun has to do with the attacks that happen!?!

Not a damn thing and yet your limp wrist liberal nutter ass keep on yammering about gun ownership!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!

What am I thinking because you believe that firearms are bad and will use any tragedy to further your anti-gun propaganda!

Maybe you should focus on the reason why the individual did the heinous act against humanity!?!
You do NOT want to go there this time. The kid was feeling anti-Muslim sentiment here and felt threatened. Now, I will grant you that a typical human does not go from there to a mass killing spree (as the other 48,000 peaceable Somali's in Ohio will attest), but with these damned jihadi cheerleaders spewing their garbage, anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants. Where do you think he got these feelings of being unwelcome? Probably on social media--if as so many conservatives keep saying, the universities are full of snowflakes who love their muzzies. How do we know Artan did not read some of the beauties on this board?
Beliefs have consequences.

anyone ought to think twice before making anti-Muslim rants
People are assholes. But people also shouldn't use anothers derangement to affect their lives.
It was HIS fault. Not some asshole that dislikes muslims.

If you KNOW the words coming out of your mouth are going to incite or make fearful a large group of people, you champion saying it anyway? Even when you know you are laying the groundwork that leads a few to disenfranchisement and violence? Yes, it was his fault. It was the fault of the terrorists spreading their hate, and it was the fault of the people who made him feel nervous and unwelcome that made it easy for him to turn to the jihadi's.
I don't defend the people verbally attacking Muslims as dangerous, anti-American, etc. anymore than I defend Artan for what he did.

No, it wasn't any one elses fault. It is solely on HIM.

I can count to three. I cited three factors that contribute to madness like his. Anti-Muslim hostility is one. Deal with it.

Deal with what? You blaming a delusional psychos actions on free speech? That's ******* ridiculous.
Sorry, but I have a hard time "dealing" with psycho sympathizers

 

[TNHarley]

Their entire religion/political ideology is attack people different from you. Your post is a fallacy.

My Muslim neighbor says different and i believe him more than I believe you.

ummm worldwide caliphate? uncompromising struggles to obtain it? Dar al-harb?

You do realize most muslims dont believe in that bullshit dont you?

Some probably don't. But most Western muslims have evolved.. ME, not so much. I read a PEW poll and 40% of sunni muslims think shia are an abomination. An abomination is islam basically means death. That's hundreds of millions of muslims that believe in 1400 year old bullshit. That is only 2 sects and I bet a lot of shia think the same about sunni.
Strictly for perspective.

Where are you getting your information? There is no word abomination in Arabic that means death. Its translated to mean abomination for a reason. If it meant death then they would say death instead of abomination.

From PEW research. Did you read my post?
And of course it isn't in there. The word Abomination wasn't used until the Bible had another translation in the 12th or 13th century..

 

[OldLady]

Most of the mass shootings I'm recalling were done with legal guns. San Bernardino, Newtown, Orlando...
If you're talking about inner city shootings, it is difficult to do a drive-by knifing, as well.

Most mass shootings are in the ghetto.. and gangs are not using legal guns lol.
Newtown and San Bern were with illegal guns

Those guns were purchased legally. I have suggested ways to get illegal guns off the streets, but no one is buying that, either. Everybody wants their killing machine.

What were your suggestions? I dont see any way to get illegal guns off the street. You wouldn't believe the arsenals of some people I know. The best bet is to require background checks for ammo or magazines IMO.

Requiring background checks for all gun transfers, and holding the last legal owner equally responsible for any crime committed with the weapon, if it was not transferred legally. Any gun that was stolen would have to be reported to the police to absolve the owner from responsibility.
It wouldn't stop all guns from floating into illegal limbo, but a lot of people would think twice about buying a gun and handing it over to Joe Criminal.
I'd love it if the world would just stop making bullets, but background checks on ammo--wouldn't that be the same as background checks on guns, as far as finding ways around it?

How would that help?

I saw a conference on C-Span back months ago, so I'm a little fuzzy on the details, but I know law enforcement from Maryland was one of the key speakers. They did a number of things in Maryland to cut down on gun crimes and finally hit on stuff that worked, and brought their gun crimes down over 50%. They based their decisions on research. Several studies on different aspects of gun control and gun use were presented.
I remember one study was to trace guns used in a crime. The vast majority were illegally owned at the time of the crime, but had been legally purchased and somehow came into the hands of someone else, illegally, before the crime was committed. A large number of the original owners said the gun was stolen, but not reported, so I don't buy it. Why wouldn't you report it to law enforcement if you were robbed?
So in my simple mind, if there was some way to keep guns in the hands of those who had legally purchased them with a background check, or to persuade people to transfer them legally, with another background check, then a lot of those guns would not be floating around out there to commit crimes. I don't think it's just "straw buyers" that are involved here; people are too relaxed about selling their guns, don't take the responsibility to make sure they are selling it to someone safe and responsible.
That was only one approach; it was just an idea I had.

 

[JimBowie1958]

But most Trump supporters believe Obama is a Muslim.

 

[Asclepias]

My Muslim neighbor says different and i believe him more than I believe you.

ummm worldwide caliphate? uncompromising struggles to obtain it? Dar al-harb?

You do realize most muslims dont believe in that bullshit dont you?

Some probably don't. But most Western muslims have evolved.. ME, not so much. I read a PEW poll and 40% of sunni muslims think shia are an abomination. An abomination is islam basically means death. That's hundreds of millions of muslims that believe in 1400 year old bullshit. That is only 2 sects and I bet a lot of shia think the same about sunni.
Strictly for perspective.

Where are you getting your information? There is no word abomination in Arabic that means death. Its translated to mean abomination for a reason. If it meant death then they would say death instead of abomination.

From PEW research. Did you read my post?
And of course it isn't in there. The word Abomination wasn't used until the Bible had another translation in the 12th or 13th century..

PEW research told you the word for "abomination" in Arabic meant "death" instead of abomination? I need to see this for myself. Do you have a link?

 

[TNHarley]

ummm worldwide caliphate? uncompromising struggles to obtain it? Dar al-harb?

You do realize most muslims dont believe in that bullshit dont you?

Some probably don't. But most Western muslims have evolved.. ME, not so much. I read a PEW poll and 40% of sunni muslims think shia are an abomination. An abomination is islam basically means death. That's hundreds of millions of muslims that believe in 1400 year old bullshit. That is only 2 sects and I bet a lot of shia think the same about sunni.
Strictly for perspective.

Where are you getting your information? There is no word abomination in Arabic that means death. Its translated to mean abomination for a reason. If it meant death then they would say death instead of abomination.

From PEW research. Did you read my post?
And of course it isn't in there. The word Abomination wasn't used until the Bible had another translation in the 12th or 13th century..

PEW research told you the word for abomination in Arabic meant "death" instead of abomination? I need to see this for myself. Do you have a link?

omg
why did I even expect honest discussion with you
No, I don't remember the exact terminology, but that is what was meant.

 

[Asclepias]

Most mass shootings are in the ghetto.. and gangs are not using legal guns lol.
Newtown and San Bern were with illegal guns

Those guns were purchased legally. I have suggested ways to get illegal guns off the streets, but no one is buying that, either. Everybody wants their killing machine.

What were your suggestions? I dont see any way to get illegal guns off the street. You wouldn't believe the arsenals of some people I know. The best bet is to require background checks for ammo or magazines IMO.

Requiring background checks for all gun transfers, and holding the last legal owner equally responsible for any crime committed with the weapon, if it was not transferred legally. Any gun that was stolen would have to be reported to the police to absolve the owner from responsibility.
It wouldn't stop all guns from floating into illegal limbo, but a lot of people would think twice about buying a gun and handing it over to Joe Criminal.
I'd love it if the world would just stop making bullets, but background checks on ammo--wouldn't that be the same as background checks on guns, as far as finding ways around it?

How would that help?

I saw a conference on C-Span back months ago, so I'm a little fuzzy on the details, but I know law enforcement from Maryland was one of the key speakers. They did a number of things in Maryland to cut down on gun crimes and finally hit on stuff that worked, and brought their gun crimes down over 50%. They based their decisions on research. Several studies on different aspects of gun control and gun use were presented.
I remember one study was to trace guns used in a crime. The vast majority were illegally owned at the time of the crime, but had been legally purchased and somehow came into the hands of someone else, illegally, before the crime was committed. A large number of the original owners said the gun was stolen, but not reported, so I don't buy it. Why wouldn't you report it to law enforcement if you were robbed?
So in my simple mind, if there was some way to keep guns in the hands of those who had legally purchased them with a background check, or to persuade people to transfer them legally, with another background check, then a lot of those guns would not be floating around out there to commit crimes. I don't think it's just "straw buyers" that are involved here; people are too relaxed about selling their guns, don't take the responsibility to make sure they are selling it to someone safe and responsible.
That was only one approach; it was just an idea I had.

There are many criminals that import illegal arms from Mexico and Canada.

Criminals now getting their guns in Canada: police

 

[Meathead]

You do realize most muslims dont believe in that bullshit dont you?

Some probably don't. But most Western muslims have evolved.. ME, not so much. I read a PEW poll and 40% of sunni muslims think shia are an abomination. An abomination is islam basically means death. That's hundreds of millions of muslims that believe in 1400 year old bullshit. That is only 2 sects and I bet a lot of shia think the same about sunni.
Strictly for perspective.

Where are you getting your information? There is no word abomination in Arabic that means death. Its translated to mean abomination for a reason. If it meant death then they would say death instead of abomination.

From PEW research. Did you read my post?
And of course it isn't in there. The word Abomination wasn't used until the Bible had another translation in the 12th or 13th century..

PEW research told you the word for abomination in Arabic meant "death" instead of abomination? I need to see this for myself. Do you have a link?

omg
why did I even expect honest discussion with you

Ask him about jungle bunny civilizations.