OH my Arctic glaciers are melting!!! Wait where are the glaciers going???

[jc456]

The very idea that anything done by the U.S. government could have ANY affect on Arctic (or southern) sea ice is a conceit so preposterous it must have been invented on a college campus.

Utterly ridiculous.

I thought that the US was only 3% of the surface. What is the expected change to 3% of a land mass on 97% of the globe?

And BTW, what is the change?

Pretty much living in mud huts, candles and riding bicycles.

must be time to invest in bikes and candles.

 

[jc456]

The Bush administration created the term "Climate Change", so that they didn't have to say "global warming".

And as Owl here illustrates with almost all of his posts, any denier should always initially be assumed to be lying, unless independent evidence indicates otherwise. All of the evidence contradicts their religious beliefs, hence lying is the only tactic available to them.

Oh, Antarctic sea ice is currently below the historical average.

That may change again, as such things do. We could get into a technical discussion on it, but there's little point, as the deniers on this thread are all literally too 'effin stuid to understand any of it. Dunning-Kruger Syndrome poster children, the lot of them. That is, profoundly stupid people are simply too damn stupid to ever understand how stupid they are.

So, the OP didn't understand the science. None of the deniers do. That's the point. They're just squealing about things they don't understand because their political cult told them to squeal.

what does it matter? Look here's the facts from old socks:

Here we go again. The proven ignoramouses insisting that 2% of the Earth's surface record is more important than the other 98%. And, if you include Alaska's record in that, rather than just the lower 48, you will see that the whole of the US is also warming, on the average.

 

[Crick]

Show of hands here.. Who wants to live in a climate where the glaciers are growing???

Seriously -- we need a poll...

You're too smart to make such a stupid comment

 

[mamooth]

Pretty much living in mud huts, candles and riding bicycles.

We reject your denier plan for the world.

If you deniers want to live in caves and swear off technology, just go do it. Nobody is stopping you. Just don't try to drag us along with you.

 

[MarathonMike]

The majority of the climate models in use today are wrong because they are coded by Liberal scientists that have sold out their scientific objectivity to Politics. Garbage in, Garbage out.

 

[Old Rocks]

So, Mike, what you are saying is that all the scientists from the many nations and cultures are all liberals, and engaged in fraud. Pray tell, what would be the reason for this? And who is behind it all? Must be one guiding hand to control that many people, especially considering these are the smartest people we have.

Tell me, Mike, have you ever taken any science courses in college? You know, the 200 courses in college in calculus, physics, chemistry? If not, why do you feel competant to make accusations of scientists who have not only done those courses, but the courses in their fields through grad level.

 

[kwc57]

Pretty much living in mud huts, candles and riding bicycles.

We reject your denier plan for the world.

If you deniers want to live in caves and swear off technology, just go do it. Nobody is stopping you. Just don't try to drag us along with you.

No dipshit, we will still be living in houses with utilities. You true believers in the church of climate change need to start walking the walk and do your part to save the planet. Mud is pretty much free. Start building.

 

[kwc57]

So, Mike, what you are saying is that all the scientists from the many nations and cultures are all liberals, and engaged in fraud. Pray tell, what would be the reason for this? And who is behind it all? Must be one guiding hand to control that many people, especially considering these are the smartest people we have.

Tell me, Mike, have you ever taken any science courses in college? You know, the 200 courses in college in calculus, physics, chemistry? If not, why do you feel competant to make accusations of scientists who have not only done those courses, but the courses in their fields through grad level.

No, just the ones being paid to reach certain conclusions. You see, that's the problem. Other scientists around the world have looked at the models and pointed out the bullshit, but true believers don't care about science that is inconvenient to their beliefs. Quit claiming science if you can't accept all of it.

 

[jc456]

Show of hands here.. Who wants to live in a climate where the glaciers are growing???

Seriously -- we need a poll...

You're too smart to make such a stupid comment

so you're saying that glaciers don't grow?

 

[jc456]

Pretty much living in mud huts, candles and riding bicycles.

We reject your denier plan for the world.

If you deniers want to live in caves and swear off technology, just go do it. Nobody is stopping you. Just don't try to drag us along with you.

Well you'll die in the streets or paths, whatever will be last. We don't wish to smell your dead arse stench.

 

[jc456]

So, Mike, what you are saying is that all the scientists from the many nations and cultures are all liberals, and engaged in fraud. Pray tell, what would be the reason for this? And who is behind it all? Must be one guiding hand to control that many people, especially considering these are the smartest people we have.

Tell me, Mike, have you ever taken any science courses in college? You know, the 200 courses in college in calculus, physics, chemistry? If not, why do you feel competant to make accusations of scientists who have not only done those courses, but the courses in their fields through grad level.

hey socks, YES, how many flippin times must we tell you YES. Yes, yes, yes, and I stated I'll even volunteer to tell anyone of them to their faces. So, schedule me a visit with any of them and I will call them Liar to their faces. Any of them.

BTW, I will also tell mr. obama as well. I'm more than comfortable having that discussion.

 

[kwc57]

So, Mike, what you are saying is that all the scientists from the many nations and cultures are all liberals, and engaged in fraud. Pray tell, what would be the reason for this? And who is behind it all? Must be one guiding hand to control that many people, especially considering these are the smartest people we have.

Tell me, Mike, have you ever taken any science courses in college? You know, the 200 courses in college in calculus, physics, chemistry? If not, why do you feel competant to make accusations of scientists who have not only done those courses, but the courses in their fields through grad level.

Obama and the Climate of Crisis | RealClearEnergy

 

[jc456]

So, Mike, what you are saying is that all the scientists from the many nations and cultures are all liberals, and engaged in fraud. Pray tell, what would be the reason for this? And who is behind it all? Must be one guiding hand to control that many people, especially considering these are the smartest people we have.

Tell me, Mike, have you ever taken any science courses in college? You know, the 200 courses in college in calculus, physics, chemistry? If not, why do you feel competant to make accusations of scientists who have not only done those courses, but the courses in their fields through grad level.

hey socks, YES, how many flippin times must we tell you YES. Yes, yes, yes, and I stated I'll even volunteer to tell anyone of them to their faces. So, schedule me a visit with any of them and I will call them Liar to their faces. Any of them.

BTW, I will also tell mr. obama as well. I'm more than comfortable having that discussion.

Hey Socks, you know the first thing I will say? Where is the experiment that shows what 120 PPM of CO2 does to climate. that's it in a nutshell. Yeah, get me that darn interview. I'm very comfortable as I stated.

 

[DGS49]

EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING:

The earth has been in a warming cycle for quite some time. Human activity is accelerating that cycle. The projections about global temperatures are quite divergent, based on the data that is chosen. But from a global public policy standpoint, it doesn't matter.

Because regardless, THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE ANYWHERE that ANY possible changes in human activity will significantly reduce the warming that will inevitably occur. Among many other reasons, a large percentage of the human race will insist - and rightfully so - on the modern conveniences that the developed world takes for granted. Things like reliable electric power, mobility, access to global information sources, air conditioning, and so on. And there is no more reliable, and no cheaper source, of reliable energy than burning fossil fuels - whether it is to power an electric power station or to power a car, boat, train, or plane.

So even if the U.S. and Europe decided collectively to shut down all of our fossil-fuel fired power stations and park our SUV's, the reduction in warming would be so small as to be incalculable. (And with the world so neurotically afraid of nuclear power...)

The BEST that the developed world can do right now is to PLAN for the changes that "Climate Change" will bring, whether it be building sea walls, relocating lowland communities, enhancing irrigation methods and means, advancing fuel efficiency in all its forms, or what have you.

The mindless Lefties, many of whom have never had a real job in their pathetic lives, are using "climate change" as a smokescreen to advocate measures that basically place more and more government controls on private industrial (including utility) endeavors. Barry O's campaign to bankrupt all the coal-fired electric utilities is just Exhibit A, and one of an almost infinite number of similar initiatives. It's not about stopping or slowing climate change (which is ridiculous), it's about government control of private economic activity.

And this mountain of "studies" have to be taken with a similarly-sized mountain of "grains of salt." The research that gets funding is the research that reinforces the Leftist narrative; researchers planning a study to "debunk global warming" will simply never be funded. Not to get taken off on a tangent, but the phenomenon is similar to what occurred with "second-hand smoke." The few credible studies on second-hand smoke found that non-smoking household members of heavy smokers had no greater incidence of lung cancer (or other theoretically smoking-related diseases) than the general population, but those studies (mainly coming out of Europe) were figurative shouted down by the mountain of dubious studies "proving" the opposite - because that's what the Lefties wanted to hear. Thus now "everyone knows" that second-hand smoke is a killer. Baloney on steroids.

 

[jc456]

EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING:

The earth has been in a warming cycle for quite some time. Human activity is accelerating that cycle. The projections about global temperatures are quite divergent, based on the data that is chosen. But from a global public policy standpoint, it doesn't matter.

Because regardless, THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE ANYWHERE that ANY possible changes in human activity will significantly reduce the warming that will inevitably occur. Among many other reasons, a large percentage of the human race will insist - and rightfully so - on the modern conveniences that the developed world takes for granted. Things like reliable electric power, mobility, access to global information sources, air conditioning, and so on. And there is no more reliable, and no cheaper source, of reliable energy than burning fossil fuels - whether it is to power an electric power station or to power a car, boat, train, or plane.

So even if the U.S. and Europe decided collectively to shut down all of our fossil-fuel fired power stations and park our SUV's, the reduction in warming would be so small as to be incalculable. (And with the world so neurotically afraid of nuclear power...)

The BEST that the developed world can do right now is to PLAN for the changes that "Climate Change" will bring, whether it be building sea walls, relocating lowland communities, enhancing irrigation methods and means, advancing fuel efficiency in all its forms, or what have you.

The mindless Lefties, many of whom have never had a real job in their pathetic lives, are using "climate change" as a smokescreen to advocate measures that basically place more and more government controls on private industrial (including utility) endeavors. Barry O's campaign to bankrupt all the coal-fired electric utilities is just Exhibit A, and one of an almost infinite number of similar initiatives. It's not about stopping or slowing climate change (which is ridiculous), it's about government control of private economic activity.

And this mountain of "studies" have to be taken with a similarly-sized mountain of "grains of salt." The research that gets funding is the research that reinforces the Leftist narrative; researchers planning a study to "debunk global warming" will simply never be funded. Not to get taken off on a tangent, but the phenomenon is similar to what occurred with "second-hand smoke." The few credible studies on second-hand smoke found that non-smoking household members of heavy smokers had no greater incidence of lung cancer (or other theoretically smoking-related diseases) than the general population, but those studies (mainly coming out of Europe) were figurative shouted down by the mountain of dubious studies "proving" the opposite - because that's what the Lefties wanted to hear. Thus now "everyone knows" that second-hand smoke is a killer. Baloney on steroids.

yep, I think to a person, every one of my skeptic friends in here would say, yeppers!

 

[mamooth]

Because regardless, THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE ANYWHERE that ANY possible changes in human activity will significantly reduce the warming that will inevitably occur.

Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo ...

We've seen such moron conspiracy babbling thousands of times before. It's just boring in its stupidity and detachment from reality.

But then, when every bit of the science, data, logic, common sense, economics and history contradicts a person, conspiracy ranting is about the only path left to them.

Oh, thanks for further confirmation that every single denier here is a proud member of the hysterical right-wing fruitloop political cult. That is, denialism is 100% political hucksterism. You will never find a denier who isn't constantly wetting himself over the fear of phantom socialists.

In stark contrast, the real climate science crosses all political boundaries all across the world. Because it's science.

 

[mamooth]

hey socks, YES, how many flippin times must we tell you YES. Yes, yes, yes, and I stated I'll even volunteer to tell anyone of them to their faces. So, schedule me a visit with any of them and I will call them Liar to their faces. Any of them.

As jc and so many deniers here illustrate daily, profoundly stupid people tend to be brimming with confidence. That's part of the Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.

Sweet little jc isn't a liar. He actual believes all the gibberish that he spouts. He just doesn't have the mental ability to resist his cult's brainwashing, or to realize even how thorough his brainwashing is.

 

[flacaltenn]

So, Mike, what you are saying is that all the scientists from the many nations and cultures are all liberals, and engaged in fraud. Pray tell, what would be the reason for this? And who is behind it all? Must be one guiding hand to control that many people, especially considering these are the smartest people we have.

Tell me, Mike, have you ever taken any science courses in college? You know, the 200 courses in college in calculus, physics, chemistry? If not, why do you feel competant to make accusations of scientists who have not only done those courses, but the courses in their fields through grad level.

Yep --- Proven fact.. Just ask RDean --- only 6% of scientists are Republicans !!!

Another one of the "polls" on science that have been so helpful to the debate..

Gee GoldiRocks? calculus physics chemistry? I've taken all that at pre and post grad level and STILL you guys call me incompetent....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Because regardless, THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE ANYWHERE that ANY possible changes in human activity will significantly reduce the warming that will inevitably occur.

Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo ...

We've seen such moron conspiracy babbling thousands of times before. It's just boring in its stupidity and detachment from reality.

But then, when every bit of the science, data, logic, common sense, economics and history contradicts a person, conspiracy ranting is about the only path left to them.

Oh, thanks for further confirmation that every single denier here is a proud member of the hysterical right-wing fruitloop political cult. That is, denialism is 100% political hucksterism. You will never find a denier who isn't constantly wetting himself over the fear of phantom socialists.

In stark contrast, the real climate science crosses all political boundaries all across the world. Because it's science.

^ has yet to post even one experiment showing how a 120PPM increase in CO2 raises temperature at all, much less by the 1.6C their "theory" supposes

 

[Derideo_Te]

calculus physics chemistry? I've taken all that at pre and post grad level

Not to brag but I did calculus in elementary school and physics and chemistry in high school.