Official USMB What is a Wall? Why a Wall?

[konradv]

My president is showing these reporters that they are . . . just reporters. Their job is to report what he says, not give their opinions which is worth less than the cup of coffee they drank earlier today. The collusion between the U.S. Media and the DemonRAT Marxists makes whatever they fabricated against Trump look like kids play. In fact, everything they fabricated was the means to deflect attention away from what they are doing. PDJT knows this and is calling them out to destroy them. I like when Kellyanne Conway called Acosta a “smart ass.” In my book, when the media fails to report the truth, the are worse than ‘smart asses.’ They are subversive scum.

What does Trump know about truth, except that it's inconvenient?

 

[The Purge]

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My president is showing these reporters that they are . . . just reporters. Their job is to report what he says, not give their opinions which is worth less than the cup of coffee they drank earlier today. The collusion between the U.S. Media and the DemonRAT Marxists makes whatever they fabricated against Trump look like kids play. In fact, everything they fabricated was the means to deflect attention away from what they are doing. PDJT knows this and is calling them out to destroy them. I like when Kellyanne Conway called Acosta a “smart ass.” In my book, when the media fails to report the truth, the are worse than ‘smart asses.’ They are subversive scum.

What does Trump know about truth, except that it's inconvenient?

 

[g5000]

Trump never said that Mexico would write us a check or send a pallet of money to pay for the wall. It was always an indirect payment resulting from improved trade deals.

Wow! You are like a character right out of Orwell! You have already forgotten what Big Brother said in the recent past and now parrot the new party line.


This is amazing. Truly, truly amazing. How do you inflict amnesia on yourself like that? I honestly want to know. I am not kidding. How do you do that?


The answer to that question would give some great insight into how Trump’s rubes continually fail to see they have been massively hoaxed on several issues several times.



The original claim by Trump was that the payment was going to be a direct reimbursement or by cutting off remittances by illegals.


See for yourself: Memo explains how Donald Trump plans to pay for border wall


Right there on day 3, prole. A demand for a direct contribution by Mexico to pay for the wall.


The trade deal thing is a recent addition to Trump's horseshit. Trump clearly implied in his original claims that Mexico would indeed make a direct payment for the wall.



And trade deals won't pay for the wall. That's a hoax, too. He's counting on your stupidity and gullibility.


Analysis | President Trump’s nonsensical claim that Mexico is paying for the wall

But on pallets of money-------------------where did Obama get the 150 billion that he shipped to Iran? Did congress vote on that?

Nice red herrring. I guess that's why you call yourself Redfish, eh?

How are you so ignorant of the facts? Seriously.

You can catch up here: Analysis | Was Obama’s $1.7 billion cash deal with Iran prohibited by U.S. law?

I find it amazing that you continue to remain uninformed and post bullshit from the Wash post and Huff puff as legitimate sources of data. You are brainwashed, you are exactly what the deep state establishment needs, willing idiots who, like sheep, obey and worship their handlers because they give you free stuff. As to Orwell, he saw it coming and wrote about it, as did Rand. They were right, its happening today and morons like you are allowing it.

Lets understand a few things:

1. the dems want illegals in this country because they see them as their only voting base that will keep them in power
2. the dems voted for a wall twice before Trump came into office
3. they only object to it now in order to grab a talking point for 2020 that Trump failed to deliver on the wall
4. Schumer and Pelosi are the most corrupt disingenuous people ever to represent either party
5. the dems are being split into the Pelosi/Schumer camp, and the socialist/muslim camp. they are destroying themselves
6. the party of Truman and Kennedy died when the Kenyan was elected

You claimed, "Trump never said that Mexico would write us a check or send a pallet of money to pay for the wall. It was always an indirect payment resulting from improved trade deals."

That was a total lie. Period.

You went full Orwell.

I guess you need your nose rubbed in it: Memo explains how Donald Trump plans to pay for border wall

That's not Huffpo. That's not Wapo.

That's Trump himself.

On Day 3, he was going to make Mexico contribute money for the wall.


Dipshit.

How do you manage to inflict such Orwellian amnesia on yourself? I am honestly curious.

 

[Slade3200]

Get your shovel ready since you and your moronic ilk will NEVER get the House to approve funding of Trump's useless promise to his equally ignorant cult members.

Funny, I remember when you lefties Party Line was the Trump would never even try to do it.

And now your line is that you will stop him from doing it.


And yet, at no point, did any of you admit that you were wrong initially.


YOu libs are like that.

I can’t speak for other “Libs” but I always saw Trumps wall campaign as unrealistic and full of hot air. The “wall” is now evolving, like most campaign ideas do... but as far as building a new coast to coast “Great Wall of Trump” that Mexico is paying for like he advertised, not going to ever happen. Now for repairing existing fencing and adding walls/fences where neccessary like we have done for decades. Yes of course that is reasonable and will happen. Just gotta get beyond all this political squabbling nonesense

1. If the end result of Trump's Wall is the status quo, that is a failure.

2. There is no reason that we cannot have all the reasonably accessible routs into the country, walled.

3. Who pays for it, is FAR less important, than there being a radical transformation of the border resulting in a massive decrease in the illegal population in this country.

If Trump was interested in unity rather than a divisive fight then he could have gotten the wall by focusing on the shining gates. If it wasn’t a “keep out” brand and if it was more of a Statue of Liberty brand then many more liberals would be supportive.

The Goal is a policy the protects and advances American interests.


If one side of the political divide is against that, then "Unity" would be a bad thing, as we have to compromise with people who want policies that are bad for America.

If the goal is to improve border security then you need unity and collaboration to get there. When you demonize the people you need to get legislation passed and when you brand your campaign in a way that goes against your political opponents values then you aren’t going to get anywhere.

 

[g5000]

"Trump never said that Mexico would write us a check or send a pallet of money to pay for the wall."


People like Redfish are exactly why Lyin' Donald erased all his campaign promises from his web site. He knew the Rube Herd would willingly inflict amnesia on themselves like good little proles.

 

[Slade3200]

Ok so we agree that taxing the poor is not justification for Mexico paying for the wall. So Let’s not use that line anymore.

Nothing I said, could be sanely interpreted as what you pretend I just agreed too.

Apologies, I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth. I had said that it’s a shitty deal taxing the poor and that the “Mexico will pay for it” line reasonably meant that the government would be paying for the wall, not the poor.

You replied “Agreed, it’s a shitty deal” so I took that as agreement.

So to clarify, you think Trump meant to tax poor people in Mexico and that was his plan for “Mexico paying for the wall”? And you think that’s a shitty deal? Please correct me if I’m not understanding you correctly.

I think it has long been established that campaign promises are, at best vague declarations of intent,


and that Trump, specifically, is known as a large scale user of hyperbole.


Thus, examining his statements as though they are legal documents, is not reasonable.


Trump seems to be making an good faith effort to get the Wall started, now.


By any reasonable comparison to the sub set of Presidential Campaign promises, right there, that is a Win, for US, his supporters.


If he were to get the money from Mexico, in ANY fashion, that would be gravy.



That it is "shitty" that the burden falls on Mexico's "poor" that in more on them, for being shitty neighbors, and not on US.


BUILD THE ******* WALL, NOW.

I agree about the campaign hyperbole and wish that wasn’t accepted. I’m curious. Do you consider Obama’s keep your plan keep your doctor line a lie or campaign hyperbole?

NOpe. Obama is not the notorious big mouth that Trump is. That claim on his seemed very serious, and was used to sell a very important policy.

Are you joking? You know what it sounds like you’re saying... it sounds like your saying that Obama was a serious politician whose campaign rhetoric should be taken seriously, so when he said keep your doctors and plans and that didn’t happen it is a LIE. Since Trump is a notorious big mouth who carelessly uses hyperbole then he doesn’t need to be held accountable for the things he promises.

Do you see the hypocrisy and how silly that sounds?

 

[occupied]

The only thing Trump destroys are things he professes to care about.

 

[Norman]

Meanwhile democrats are seeking how to emulate him, however instead of destroying evil liars they have decided to attempt to destroy the country.

 

[Norman]

Meanwhile democrats are seeking how to emulate him, however instead of destroying evil liars they have decided to attempt to destroy the country.

 

[william104]

Your so-called president tRump who is not a legitimate president but a traitor, fraud and a liar should be in prison instead of attempting to destroy civilization.

 

[Correll]

Nothing I said, could be sanely interpreted as what you pretend I just agreed too.

Apologies, I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth. I had said that it’s a shitty deal taxing the poor and that the “Mexico will pay for it” line reasonably meant that the government would be paying for the wall, not the poor.

You replied “Agreed, it’s a shitty deal” so I took that as agreement.

So to clarify, you think Trump meant to tax poor people in Mexico and that was his plan for “Mexico paying for the wall”? And you think that’s a shitty deal? Please correct me if I’m not understanding you correctly.

I think it has long been established that campaign promises are, at best vague declarations of intent,


and that Trump, specifically, is known as a large scale user of hyperbole.


Thus, examining his statements as though they are legal documents, is not reasonable.


Trump seems to be making an good faith effort to get the Wall started, now.


By any reasonable comparison to the sub set of Presidential Campaign promises, right there, that is a Win, for US, his supporters.


If he were to get the money from Mexico, in ANY fashion, that would be gravy.



That it is "shitty" that the burden falls on Mexico's "poor" that in more on them, for being shitty neighbors, and not on US.


BUILD THE ******* WALL, NOW.

I agree about the campaign hyperbole and wish that wasn’t accepted. I’m curious. Do you consider Obama’s keep your plan keep your doctor line a lie or campaign hyperbole?

NOpe. Obama is not the notorious big mouth that Trump is. That claim on his seemed very serious, and was used to sell a very important policy.

Are you joking? You know what it sounds like you’re saying... it sounds like your saying that Obama was a serious politician whose campaign rhetoric should be taken seriously, so when he said keep your doctors and plans and that didn’t happen it is a LIE. Since Trump is a notorious big mouth who carelessly uses hyperbole then he doesn’t need to be held accountable for the things he promises.

Do you see the hypocrisy and how silly that sounds?

Trump's use of hyperbole, and the way it confuses some people but not others, was extensively discussed during the campaign.


YOu are acting like you have not considered this issue before.


That is not credible.

 

[Correll]

Nothing I said, could be sanely interpreted as what you pretend I just agreed too.

Apologies, I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth. I had said that it’s a shitty deal taxing the poor and that the “Mexico will pay for it” line reasonably meant that the government would be paying for the wall, not the poor.

You replied “Agreed, it’s a shitty deal” so I took that as agreement.

So to clarify, you think Trump meant to tax poor people in Mexico and that was his plan for “Mexico paying for the wall”? And you think that’s a shitty deal? Please correct me if I’m not understanding you correctly.

I think it has long been established that campaign promises are, at best vague declarations of intent,


and that Trump, specifically, is known as a large scale user of hyperbole.


Thus, examining his statements as though they are legal documents, is not reasonable.


Trump seems to be making an good faith effort to get the Wall started, now.


By any reasonable comparison to the sub set of Presidential Campaign promises, right there, that is a Win, for US, his supporters.


If he were to get the money from Mexico, in ANY fashion, that would be gravy.



That it is "shitty" that the burden falls on Mexico's "poor" that in more on them, for being shitty neighbors, and not on US.


BUILD THE ******* WALL, NOW.

I agree about the campaign hyperbole and wish that wasn’t accepted. I’m curious. Do you consider Obama’s keep your plan keep your doctor line a lie or campaign hyperbole?

NOpe. Obama is not the notorious big mouth that Trump is. That claim on his seemed very serious, and was used to sell a very important policy.

Are you joking? You know what it sounds like you’re saying... it sounds like your saying that Obama was a serious politician whose campaign rhetoric should be taken seriously, so when he said keep your doctors and plans and that didn’t happen it is a LIE. Since Trump is a notorious big mouth who carelessly uses hyperbole then he doesn’t need to be held accountable for the things he promises.

Do you see the hypocrisy and how silly that sounds?

Trump's use of hyperbole, and the way it confuses some people but not others, was extensively discussed during the campaign.


YOu are acting like you have not considered this issue before.


That is not credible.

 

[Correll]

Funny, I remember when you lefties Party Line was the Trump would never even try to do it.

And now your line is that you will stop him from doing it.


And yet, at no point, did any of you admit that you were wrong initially.


YOu libs are like that.

I can’t speak for other “Libs” but I always saw Trumps wall campaign as unrealistic and full of hot air. The “wall” is now evolving, like most campaign ideas do... but as far as building a new coast to coast “Great Wall of Trump” that Mexico is paying for like he advertised, not going to ever happen. Now for repairing existing fencing and adding walls/fences where neccessary like we have done for decades. Yes of course that is reasonable and will happen. Just gotta get beyond all this political squabbling nonesense

1. If the end result of Trump's Wall is the status quo, that is a failure.

2. There is no reason that we cannot have all the reasonably accessible routs into the country, walled.

3. Who pays for it, is FAR less important, than there being a radical transformation of the border resulting in a massive decrease in the illegal population in this country.

If Trump was interested in unity rather than a divisive fight then he could have gotten the wall by focusing on the shining gates. If it wasn’t a “keep out” brand and if it was more of a Statue of Liberty brand then many more liberals would be supportive.

The Goal is a policy the protects and advances American interests.


If one side of the political divide is against that, then "Unity" would be a bad thing, as we have to compromise with people who want policies that are bad for America.

If the goal is to improve border security then you need unity and collaboration to get there. When you demonize the people you need to get legislation passed and when you brand your campaign in a way that goes against your political opponents values then you aren’t going to get anywhere.

But one side is fundamentally opposed to border security. Unity and collaboration will not get US there, no matter what.


And telling the truth about someone, is not demonizing them.

 

[Slade3200]

Apologies, I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth. I had said that it’s a shitty deal taxing the poor and that the “Mexico will pay for it” line reasonably meant that the government would be paying for the wall, not the poor.

You replied “Agreed, it’s a shitty deal” so I took that as agreement.

So to clarify, you think Trump meant to tax poor people in Mexico and that was his plan for “Mexico paying for the wall”? And you think that’s a shitty deal? Please correct me if I’m not understanding you correctly.

I think it has long been established that campaign promises are, at best vague declarations of intent,


and that Trump, specifically, is known as a large scale user of hyperbole.


Thus, examining his statements as though they are legal documents, is not reasonable.


Trump seems to be making an good faith effort to get the Wall started, now.


By any reasonable comparison to the sub set of Presidential Campaign promises, right there, that is a Win, for US, his supporters.


If he were to get the money from Mexico, in ANY fashion, that would be gravy.



That it is "shitty" that the burden falls on Mexico's "poor" that in more on them, for being shitty neighbors, and not on US.


BUILD THE ******* WALL, NOW.

I agree about the campaign hyperbole and wish that wasn’t accepted. I’m curious. Do you consider Obama’s keep your plan keep your doctor line a lie or campaign hyperbole?

NOpe. Obama is not the notorious big mouth that Trump is. That claim on his seemed very serious, and was used to sell a very important policy.

Are you joking? You know what it sounds like you’re saying... it sounds like your saying that Obama was a serious politician whose campaign rhetoric should be taken seriously, so when he said keep your doctors and plans and that didn’t happen it is a LIE. Since Trump is a notorious big mouth who carelessly uses hyperbole then he doesn’t need to be held accountable for the things he promises.

Do you see the hypocrisy and how silly that sounds?

Trump's use of hyperbole, and the way it confuses some people but not others, was extensively discussed during the campaign.


YOu are acting like you have not considered this issue before.


That is not credible.

I consider hyperbole from the president of the United States to be the same thing as propaganda. That office and running for that office should hold higher standards. Obama should have been held accountable for the doctor plan promise and Trump should be held accountable for the Mexico will pay for it promise, amoungst the many other “hyperbolized” promises he made. You shouldn’t be making excuses and accepting that shit as par for the course. IMO

 

[Slade3200]

I can’t speak for other “Libs” but I always saw Trumps wall campaign as unrealistic and full of hot air. The “wall” is now evolving, like most campaign ideas do... but as far as building a new coast to coast “Great Wall of Trump” that Mexico is paying for like he advertised, not going to ever happen. Now for repairing existing fencing and adding walls/fences where neccessary like we have done for decades. Yes of course that is reasonable and will happen. Just gotta get beyond all this political squabbling nonesense

1. If the end result of Trump's Wall is the status quo, that is a failure.

2. There is no reason that we cannot have all the reasonably accessible routs into the country, walled.

3. Who pays for it, is FAR less important, than there being a radical transformation of the border resulting in a massive decrease in the illegal population in this country.

If Trump was interested in unity rather than a divisive fight then he could have gotten the wall by focusing on the shining gates. If it wasn’t a “keep out” brand and if it was more of a Statue of Liberty brand then many more liberals would be supportive.

The Goal is a policy the protects and advances American interests.


If one side of the political divide is against that, then "Unity" would be a bad thing, as we have to compromise with people who want policies that are bad for America.

If the goal is to improve border security then you need unity and collaboration to get there. When you demonize the people you need to get legislation passed and when you brand your campaign in a way that goes against your political opponents values then you aren’t going to get anywhere.

But one side is fundamentally opposed to border security. Unity and collaboration will not get US there, no matter what.


And telling the truth about someone, is not demonizing them.

Just because you say they are fundamentally opposed to border security doesn’t make that true. It actually goes against the facts. The easiest example would be to point to last years budget where Dems approved a $1.3 billion budget specifically for border security.

 

[deanrd]

My president is showing these reporters that they are . . . just reporters. Their job is to report what he says, not give their opinions which is worth less than the cup of coffee they drank earlier today.

The collusion between the U.S. Media and the DemonRAT Marxists makes whatever they fabricated against Trump look like kids play. In fact, everything they fabricated was the means to deflect attention away from what they are doing. PDJT knows this and is calling them out to destroy them. I like when Kellyanne Conway called Acosta a “smart ass.” In my book, when the media fails to report the truth, the are worse than ‘smart asses.’ They are subversive scum.

The president Has more information than a reporter.

 

[rightwinger]

Sooooooo, the real reason why Trump NEEDS a wall to be built, is NOT because of a made-up "national crisis"........but simply, to keep his fat ass out of bankruptcies, shame and even possibly out of prison.

Trump needs a second term to allow the statute of limitations to expire on some of his alleged criminal activities; there is no crisis on the US southern border, but there is a serious crisis in the White House.

More reason we can’t accept the ....”sitting president can’t be prosecuted”

 

[rightwinger]

Sooooooo, the real reason why Trump NEEDS a wall to be built, is NOT because of a made-up "national crisis"........but simply, to keep his fat ass out of bankruptcies, shame and even possibly out of prison.

Trump needs a second term to allow the statute of limitations to expire on some of his alleged criminal activities; there is no crisis on the US southern border, but there is a serious crisis in the White House.

More reason we can’t accept the ....”sitting president can’t be prosecuted”

Trump can’t hide in the White House and then claim statute of limitations protection

 

[deanrd]

The president of the United States asking a reporter what would you do? What would you do?.

You’re not supposed to punch down.

He’s the guy making the decisions, why would he ask a reporter such a ridiculous question?

Trump made himself look like a fool.

 

[Correll]

I think it has long been established that campaign promises are, at best vague declarations of intent,


and that Trump, specifically, is known as a large scale user of hyperbole.


Thus, examining his statements as though they are legal documents, is not reasonable.


Trump seems to be making an good faith effort to get the Wall started, now.


By any reasonable comparison to the sub set of Presidential Campaign promises, right there, that is a Win, for US, his supporters.


If he were to get the money from Mexico, in ANY fashion, that would be gravy.



That it is "shitty" that the burden falls on Mexico's "poor" that in more on them, for being shitty neighbors, and not on US.


BUILD THE ******* WALL, NOW.

I agree about the campaign hyperbole and wish that wasn’t accepted. I’m curious. Do you consider Obama’s keep your plan keep your doctor line a lie or campaign hyperbole?

NOpe. Obama is not the notorious big mouth that Trump is. That claim on his seemed very serious, and was used to sell a very important policy.

Are you joking? You know what it sounds like you’re saying... it sounds like your saying that Obama was a serious politician whose campaign rhetoric should be taken seriously, so when he said keep your doctors and plans and that didn’t happen it is a LIE. Since Trump is a notorious big mouth who carelessly uses hyperbole then he doesn’t need to be held accountable for the things he promises.

Do you see the hypocrisy and how silly that sounds?

Trump's use of hyperbole, and the way it confuses some people but not others, was extensively discussed during the campaign.


YOu are acting like you have not considered this issue before.


That is not credible.

I consider hyperbole from the president of the United States to be the same thing as propaganda. That office and running for that office should hold higher standards. Obama should have been held accountable for the doctor plan promise and Trump should be held accountable for the Mexico will pay for it promise, amoungst the many other “hyperbolized” promises he made. You shouldn’t be making excuses and accepting that shit as par for the course. IMO

1. Hyperbole and propaganda are two distinct forms of communication. They can overlap, but pretending that they are the same, is, ironically, as dishonest as you are claiming that Trump is.

2. You believe that the Office of the President should be held to a "higher standard" that does not include regular use of hyperbole. That is a fine opinion. The nation as a whole, disagreed when they elected Trump. Your disagreement with US, does not change the fact that hyperbole is part of Trump's communication style.

3. I agree that Obama should have been held accountable for his lie on the doctor plan.

4. Trump, imo, should be held accountable he makes a strong, very strong, good faith effort to build a Wall, or a "wall" that is highly effective in vastly reducing the number of illegal border crossings.


5. Making Mexico pay, always struck me as far less of a serious commitment. I don't know how to explain to you how to distinguish between the two, but trust me on this. Though I would love it, if he did manage it.