Official Thread for Denial of GreenHouse Effect and Radiative Physics.

[jc456]

With philosophy, we can ignore laboratory results ... it's in these laboratories where we can demonstrate iron conducts energy 4000 times faster than air at normal environmental temperatures ... both conduct energy, but at different rates, usually explained by the tightly packed nature of solids and the diffuse nature of gases ... but that's using lamestream physics that you haven't bothered to learn anything about yet ... has Halliday/Resnick been in print over 50 years already? ... talk about lame ...

Actually, we can use Wein's Law to predict surface temperatures ... the problem is getting thermometers to last more than 5 minutes on the surfaces of many of these other planets ... the surface of the Jovian planets remain completely unexplored ... all the other are at best trivially explored ... so we haven't been able to confirm these predictions ... but that's only a concern if we're responsible to demonstrate our claims, you said "I have no responsibility to demonstrate anything", and that's irresponsible by definition ...

Didn’t answer SSDD’s question! Nice little story . Story it is.

 

[jc456]

We'll need a bit of space between the two objects ... what's the temperature of space these days? ...

Tell us

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

again, I agree they both radiate. I've always said that. your analogy is the issue, not the object radiating.

Only a fool would say they don't. what isn't true is that the 10C will radiate at the 20C object when they are next to each other. And I've asked you for the experiment that shows it. fk dude, how hard can that be for you to post?

Heat flows to cold and that's it. Radiate = heat, another thing you can't seem to grasp. 20C radiates at 10C and that's it.

He simply doesn't get it... If heat COULD flow from 10C to 20C, then that would be decreasing entropy, as colder areas would be getting colder and warmer areas would be getting warmer... That denies thermodynamics. Heat ONLY flows from hot to cold. Entropy increases. Hotter areas cool off and colder areas warm up...

If heat COULD flow from 10C to 20C, then that would be decreasing entropy,

What about photons flowing from 10C to 20C? Is that allowed?

Got that demo?

View attachment 285803

Chocolate pudding? Weird!

Binary stars.

 

[ReinyDays]

Didn’t answer SSDD’s question! Nice little story . Story it is.

Tell us

Just because you don't understand the answer doesn't mean I didn't ... read it again and look up all the long words ...

 

[SSDD]

[raises hand] ... I'm the one who brought up Planck and SB ... ask me anything ...

You already made clear your misconceptions about the SB and Planck laws...no further comment necessary.

 

[SSDD]

dude, it's been explained to you over an over again, 2nd law thing you just can't seem to absorb. get it? absorbed? hahahaahaha what a boob you are.

anyway, you still haven't presented observed empirical evidence that it does what you said. you have been losing this battle for over three years now.

Hey you still trying to warm the sun with your flashlight?

dude, it's been explained to you over an over again

So which is it?

2nd law thing you just can't seem to absorb.

Stefan-Boltzmann thing you just can't seem to absorb.

Hey you still trying to warm the sun with your flashlight?

If you ever pull your head out of your ass, by all means link where I said anything about "heating" the sun.

that 2nd law thing still has you bamboozled I see. it's ok, all you need to do is post that experiment that shows that 10C object radiating at the 20C object. I've asked too many times to count. you still haven't. why not?

and on the sun and flashlight thingy, are you instead saying the flashlight is cooling off the sun like your 10C object at the 20C object is doing? is that what you meant?

all you need to do is post that experiment that shows that 10C object radiating at the 20C object.

Stefan-Boltzmann says they both radiate.
Feel free to post your proof that they don't.

and on the sun and flashlight thingy, are you instead saying the flashlight is cooling off the sun

Sorry that the Stefan-Boltzmann Law is too complex for you.
If you understood it, you wouldn't make AOC level comments when discussing it.

again, I agree they both radiate. I've always said that. your analogy is the issue, not the object radiating.

Only a fool would say they don't. what isn't true is that the 10C will radiate at the 20C object when they are next to each other. And I've asked you for the experiment that shows it. fk dude, how hard can that be for you to post?

Heat flows to cold and that's it. Radiate = heat, another thing you can't seem to grasp. 20C radiates at 10C and that's it.

He simply doesn't get it... If heat COULD flow from 10C to 20C, then that would be decreasing entropy, as colder areas would be getting colder and warmer areas would be getting warmer... That denies thermodynamics. Heat ONLY flows from hot to cold. Entropy increases. Hotter areas cool off and colder areas warm up...

They are under the impression that entropy somehow means energy flow is a two way street...

 

[SSDD]

Poor SSDD always has his cause and effect reversed. The ideal gas law is the result of other forces, not the cause. The second law is a result of the statistical behavior of molecules, and not a cause of anything.

If he had ever taken an undergrad physics course in statistical mechanics and advanced thermodynamics, he'd understand that. But he hasn't. He's been educated at Conspiracy U., where all mainstream science is defined as an evil socialist plot.

And I suppse you think it is a coincidence that the ideal gas laws are able to predict the temperature of every planet in the solar system with an atmosphere while the greenhouse effect can't even predict the temperature here without an ad hoc fudge factor...

And strangely enough, the standard atmosphere predicts the temperature here with no mention of a greenhouse effect...coincidence?

 

[Wuwei]

They are under the impression that entropy somehow means energy flow is a two way street...

No. Entropy applies to heat flow. Heat flow is a one way street. There is nothing in the law of entropy that denies radiation from flowing both ways between two objects, as long as the hotter object radiates more to the colder object. In that case heat flow is one way while radiation is two way.

You tell me where in the law of entropy that two way EM radiation is denied.

.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

dude, it's been explained to you over an over again

So which is it?

2nd law thing you just can't seem to absorb.

Stefan-Boltzmann thing you just can't seem to absorb.

Hey you still trying to warm the sun with your flashlight?

If you ever pull your head out of your ass, by all means link where I said anything about "heating" the sun.

that 2nd law thing still has you bamboozled I see. it's ok, all you need to do is post that experiment that shows that 10C object radiating at the 20C object. I've asked too many times to count. you still haven't. why not?

and on the sun and flashlight thingy, are you instead saying the flashlight is cooling off the sun like your 10C object at the 20C object is doing? is that what you meant?

all you need to do is post that experiment that shows that 10C object radiating at the 20C object.

Stefan-Boltzmann says they both radiate.
Feel free to post your proof that they don't.

and on the sun and flashlight thingy, are you instead saying the flashlight is cooling off the sun

Sorry that the Stefan-Boltzmann Law is too complex for you.
If you understood it, you wouldn't make AOC level comments when discussing it.

again, I agree they both radiate. I've always said that. your analogy is the issue, not the object radiating.

Only a fool would say they don't. what isn't true is that the 10C will radiate at the 20C object when they are next to each other. And I've asked you for the experiment that shows it. fk dude, how hard can that be for you to post?

Heat flows to cold and that's it. Radiate = heat, another thing you can't seem to grasp. 20C radiates at 10C and that's it.

He simply doesn't get it... If heat COULD flow from 10C to 20C, then that would be decreasing entropy, as colder areas would be getting colder and warmer areas would be getting warmer... That denies thermodynamics. Heat ONLY flows from hot to cold. Entropy increases. Hotter areas cool off and colder areas warm up...

They are under the impression that entropy somehow means energy flow is a two way street...

Only because it is.

Still no back up for your theory? Weird.

 

[Wuwei]

And I suppse you think it is a coincidence that the ideal gas laws are able to predict the temperature of every planet in the solar system with an atmosphere while the greenhouse effect can't even predict the temperature here without an ad hoc fudge factor...

And strangely enough, the standard atmosphere predicts the temperature here with no mention of a greenhouse effect...coincidence?

That is clearly wrong. You gave Nikolov and Zeller as a reference that they have the best explanation. All they did was curve fitting with four fudge factors.

They did not predict anything at all, and gave no explanation of any science behind the four fudge factors..
.

 

[jc456]

He simply doesn't get it... If heat COULD flow from 10C to 20C, then that would be decreasing entropy, as colder areas would be getting colder and warmer areas would be getting warmer... That denies thermodynamics. Heat ONLY flows from hot to cold. Entropy increases. Hotter areas cool off and colder areas warm up...

If heat COULD flow from 10C to 20C, then that would be decreasing entropy,

What about photons flowing from 10C to 20C? Is that allowed?

Got that demo?

View attachment 285803

Chocolate pudding? Weird!

Binary stars.

hahahahahaha, on my phone last night, the two stars weren't showing. hahahahaahaha.

So now that I see the two stars there on my PC, I see the brighter one pushing light to the dimmer one. That's it. You see the dimmer one due to the light off the brighter one hitting it.

 

[jc456]

that 2nd law thing still has you bamboozled I see. it's ok, all you need to do is post that experiment that shows that 10C object radiating at the 20C object. I've asked too many times to count. you still haven't. why not?

and on the sun and flashlight thingy, are you instead saying the flashlight is cooling off the sun like your 10C object at the 20C object is doing? is that what you meant?

all you need to do is post that experiment that shows that 10C object radiating at the 20C object.

Stefan-Boltzmann says they both radiate.
Feel free to post your proof that they don't.

and on the sun and flashlight thingy, are you instead saying the flashlight is cooling off the sun

Sorry that the Stefan-Boltzmann Law is too complex for you.
If you understood it, you wouldn't make AOC level comments when discussing it.

again, I agree they both radiate. I've always said that. your analogy is the issue, not the object radiating.

Only a fool would say they don't. what isn't true is that the 10C will radiate at the 20C object when they are next to each other. And I've asked you for the experiment that shows it. fk dude, how hard can that be for you to post?

Heat flows to cold and that's it. Radiate = heat, another thing you can't seem to grasp. 20C radiates at 10C and that's it.

He simply doesn't get it... If heat COULD flow from 10C to 20C, then that would be decreasing entropy, as colder areas would be getting colder and warmer areas would be getting warmer... That denies thermodynamics. Heat ONLY flows from hot to cold. Entropy increases. Hotter areas cool off and colder areas warm up...

They are under the impression that entropy somehow means energy flow is a two way street...

Only because it is.

Still no back up for your theory? Weird.

still no observed cool to heat flow.

 

[jc456]

And I suppse you think it is a coincidence that the ideal gas laws are able to predict the temperature of every planet in the solar system with an atmosphere while the greenhouse effect can't even predict the temperature here without an ad hoc fudge factor...

And strangely enough, the standard atmosphere predicts the temperature here with no mention of a greenhouse effect...coincidence?

That is clearly wrong. You gave Nikolov and Zeller as a reference that they have the best explanation. All they did was curve fitting with four fudge factors.

They did not predict anything at all, and gave no explanation of any science behind the four fudge factors..
.

and?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If heat COULD flow from 10C to 20C, then that would be decreasing entropy,

What about photons flowing from 10C to 20C? Is that allowed?

Got that demo?

View attachment 285803

Chocolate pudding? Weird!

Binary stars.

hahahahahaha, on my phone last night, the two stars weren't showing. hahahahaahaha.

So now that I see the two stars there on my PC, I see the brighter one pushing light to the dimmer one. That's it. You see the dimmer one due to the light off the brighter one hitting it.

The both radiate, with no restriction.
Weird.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

all you need to do is post that experiment that shows that 10C object radiating at the 20C object.

Stefan-Boltzmann says they both radiate.
Feel free to post your proof that they don't.

and on the sun and flashlight thingy, are you instead saying the flashlight is cooling off the sun

Sorry that the Stefan-Boltzmann Law is too complex for you.
If you understood it, you wouldn't make AOC level comments when discussing it.

again, I agree they both radiate. I've always said that. your analogy is the issue, not the object radiating.

Only a fool would say they don't. what isn't true is that the 10C will radiate at the 20C object when they are next to each other. And I've asked you for the experiment that shows it. fk dude, how hard can that be for you to post?

Heat flows to cold and that's it. Radiate = heat, another thing you can't seem to grasp. 20C radiates at 10C and that's it.

He simply doesn't get it... If heat COULD flow from 10C to 20C, then that would be decreasing entropy, as colder areas would be getting colder and warmer areas would be getting warmer... That denies thermodynamics. Heat ONLY flows from hot to cold. Entropy increases. Hotter areas cool off and colder areas warm up...

They are under the impression that entropy somehow means energy flow is a two way street...

Only because it is.

Still no back up for your theory? Weird.

still no observed cool to heat flow.

Photons.....durr

 

[jc456]

Got that demo?

View attachment 285803

Chocolate pudding? Weird!

Binary stars.

hahahahahaha, on my phone last night, the two stars weren't showing. hahahahaahaha.

So now that I see the two stars there on my PC, I see the brighter one pushing light to the dimmer one. That's it. You see the dimmer one due to the light off the brighter one hitting it.

The both radiate, with no restriction.
Weird.

prove it? I explained why you saw the dimmer star, it is reflected light from the brighter one. That's all. So prove it isn't reflective light? you can't. Nor can I since we can't touch them. So your choice of observation can't be used.

 

[jc456]

again, I agree they both radiate. I've always said that. your analogy is the issue, not the object radiating.

Only a fool would say they don't. what isn't true is that the 10C will radiate at the 20C object when they are next to each other. And I've asked you for the experiment that shows it. fk dude, how hard can that be for you to post?

Heat flows to cold and that's it. Radiate = heat, another thing you can't seem to grasp. 20C radiates at 10C and that's it.

He simply doesn't get it... If heat COULD flow from 10C to 20C, then that would be decreasing entropy, as colder areas would be getting colder and warmer areas would be getting warmer... That denies thermodynamics. Heat ONLY flows from hot to cold. Entropy increases. Hotter areas cool off and colder areas warm up...

They are under the impression that entropy somehow means energy flow is a two way street...

Only because it is.

Still no back up for your theory? Weird.

still no observed cool to heat flow.

Photons.....durr

what's the difference? Light is energy. or don't you know that either?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

View attachment 285803

Chocolate pudding? Weird!

Binary stars.

hahahahahaha, on my phone last night, the two stars weren't showing. hahahahaahaha.

So now that I see the two stars there on my PC, I see the brighter one pushing light to the dimmer one. That's it. You see the dimmer one due to the light off the brighter one hitting it.

The both radiate, with no restriction.
Weird.

prove it? I explained why you saw the dimmer star, it is reflected light from the brighter one. That's all. So prove it isn't reflective light? you can't. Nor can I since we can't touch them. So your choice of observation can't be used.

prove it?

You need proof that stars radiate in all directions? LOL!

Maybe you should contact SSDD's professor source?

I explained why you saw the dimmer star, it is reflected light from the brighter one.

Their emission spectrum is different.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He simply doesn't get it... If heat COULD flow from 10C to 20C, then that would be decreasing entropy, as colder areas would be getting colder and warmer areas would be getting warmer... That denies thermodynamics. Heat ONLY flows from hot to cold. Entropy increases. Hotter areas cool off and colder areas warm up...

They are under the impression that entropy somehow means energy flow is a two way street...

Only because it is.

Still no back up for your theory? Weird.

still no observed cool to heat flow.

Photons.....durr

what's the difference? Light is energy. or don't you know that either?

what's the difference?

The difference is that photons aren't restricted.

 

[jc456]

Chocolate pudding? Weird!

Binary stars.

hahahahahaha, on my phone last night, the two stars weren't showing. hahahahaahaha.

So now that I see the two stars there on my PC, I see the brighter one pushing light to the dimmer one. That's it. You see the dimmer one due to the light off the brighter one hitting it.

The both radiate, with no restriction.
Weird.

prove it? I explained why you saw the dimmer star, it is reflected light from the brighter one. That's all. So prove it isn't reflective light? you can't. Nor can I since we can't touch them. So your choice of observation can't be used.

prove it?

You need proof that stars radiate in all directions? LOL!

Maybe you should contact SSDD's professor source?

I explained why you saw the dimmer star, it is reflected light from the brighter one.

Their emission spectrum is different.

You need proof that stars radiate in all directions

Not at all, I need proof that cooler stars radiate at hotter ones. and your post doesn't show that for the reason I gave.

Their emission spectrum is different.
correct, one is hotter, and the one hotter is radiating at the cooler one and the photons we see are the reflected light.