Official Thread for Denial of GreenHouse Effect and Radiative Physics.

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Global Warming Skepticism 101 « Roy Spencer, PhD

 

[ReinyDays]

"In my opinion, it is internal, chaotic variability in the ocean and atmosphere circulation causing small changes in cloud cover. Since clouds are a natural sunshade, changing their coverage of the Earth will cause warming or cooling. The IPCC simply assumes this does not happen. If they did, they would have to admit that natural climate change happens, which means they would have to address the possibility that most of the warming in the last 50 has been largely natural in origin." -- Roy Spencer -- [link above] ...
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Notice this author takes personal responsibility for his claims ... he's not saying "consensus" or "all scientists" ... he's saying this is his professional opinion ... how he understanding the climate ... and yes, his doctorate is in Meteorology ...

It is a fact that 7% more water vapor enters the atmosphere for every degree Celsius of temperature rise at the surface ... that's 7% more clouds ... something the IPCC completely ignores ... and the IPCC refuses to allow anyone to discuss this ... it's bad politics ... and if there's one truism in all this, then that would be the political nature of the United Nations ...

Anyone who works outside knows it's distinctly cooler when a cloud passes by ... for the Alarmist Nazis to admit this fact would destroy their whole reason for living, I guess ... and just like Nazis, they attack, never inform, never try to explain the basic physics going on ... either believe as they do, or be shunned ... just like Nazis ...

 

[jc456]

Anyone who works outside knows it's distinctly cooler when a cloud passes by ... for the Alarmist Nazis to admit this fact would destroy their whole reason for living, I guess ... and just like Nazis, they attack, never inform, never try to explain the basic physics going on ... either believe as they do, or be shunned ... just like Nazis ...

Unless it is nighttime and the presence of clouds makes it warmer, especially in the winter.

 

[ReinyDays]

Unless it is nighttime and the presence of clouds makes it warmer, especially in the winter.

You need to check your math ...

Go stand outside at night ... wait for a cloud to pass by ... is it warmer? ...

 

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You need to check your math ...

Go stand outside at night ... wait for a cloud to pass by ... is it warmer? ...

He's talking about at night. And yes, cloudy nights trap more heat than clear nights do.

 

[ReinyDays]

He's talking about at night. And yes, cloudy nights trap more heat than clear nights do.

Terrestrial radiation is only 1/4 of that of the Sun ... did you stand outside at night and wait for a cloud to pass by? ...

You link is about climate and temperature averages ... not diurnal or seasonal variations ... on average, clouds reflect more solar radiation back out into space than what clouds radiate back to the Earth ... and on balance, more clouds act as a negative feedback mechanism ... the warmer the surface gets, the more net energy is reflected away, causing the surface to cool ...

Work the math yourself ...

 

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Terrestrial radiation is only 1/4 of that of the Sun ... did you stand outside at night and wait for a cloud to pass by? ...

You link is about climate and temperature averages ... not diurnal or seasonal variations ... on average, clouds reflect more solar radiation back out into space than what clouds radiate back to the Earth ... and on balance, more clouds act as a negative feedback mechanism ... the warmer the surface gets, the more net energy is reflected away, causing the surface to cool ...

Work the math yourself ...

I don't need to work anything. I literally experience it every morning. Clouds are both a positive and negative feedback. The climate evidence from the geologic record suggests they are net negative. That as a rule they compensate for warmer temperatures and cool the planet. Otherwise it's hard to see how the planet cooled for millions of years from a greenhouse state to an icehouse state.

 

[jc456]

You need to check your math ...

Go stand outside at night ... wait for a cloud to pass by ... is it warmer? ...

almost always. When it's clear as a glass, temperatures in winter can drop 10 degrees cooler.

 

[ReinyDays]

almost always. When it's clear as a glass, temperatures in winter can drop 10 degrees cooler.

Oh really? ... which ignorant strawman are you directing that comment to? ... I'm referring to clouds passing by on an otherwise sunny day ... "Clear as glass" means dry high pressure and no clouds ...

Math is hard ... but it does give succinct answers ...

 

[jc456]

Oh really? ... which ignorant strawman are you directing that comment to? ... I'm referring to clouds passing by on an otherwise sunny day ... "Clear as glass" means dry high pressure and no clouds ...

Math is hard ... but it does give succinct answers ...

Then wise puss, state it better

 

[San Souci]

I don't need to work anything. I literally experience it every morning. Clouds are both a positive and negative feedback. The climate evidence from the geologic record suggests they are net negative. That as a rule they compensate for warmer temperatures and cool the planet. Otherwise it's hard to see how the planet cooled for millions of years from a greenhouse state to an icehouse state.

How about Snow Clouds? Do they warm things up?

 

[jc456]

How about Snow Clouds? Do they warm things up?

They do

 

[San Souci]

They do

WOW!. Tomorrow it is cloudy here. Maybe I can get a Cloud Tan. (snicker)

 

[jc456]

WOW!. Tomorrow it is cloudy here. Maybe I can get a Cloud Tan. (snicker)

Yep

 

[ReinyDays]

How about Snow Clouds? Do they warm things up?

Have you ever heard the phrase "too cold to snow"? ... that's actually backwards ... the physical act of rain or snow formation warms the air ... what brainiacs call the latent heat of condensation ...

The question is does terrestrial radiation reflect off the clouds ... or is it the clouds that produce heat ... and of course the easiest is to decide if cloudy days are warmer than sunny days? ... go figure ...

Mathing ... solar radiation is 1,360 W/m^2 and occurs over half the globe ... terrestrial radiation is 240 W/m^2 both day and night ... which imparts the most energy in a given day, month or year? ...

Albedo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[San Souci]

Have you ever heard the phrase "too cold to snow"? ... that's actually backwards ... the physical act of rain or snow formation warms the air ... what brainiacs call the latent heat of condensation ...

The question is does terrestrial radiation reflect off the clouds ... or is it the clouds that produce heat ... and of course the easiest is to decide if cloudy days are warmer than sunny days? ... go figure ...

Mathing ... solar radiation is 1,360 W/m^2 and occurs over half the globe ... terrestrial radiation is 240 W/m^2 both day and night ... which imparts the most energy in a given day, month or year? ...

Albedo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well. I have been in a Blizzard. Didn't warm me up too much.

 

[ReinyDays]

Well. I have been in a Blizzard. Didn't warm me up too much.

Have you multiplied the cosine of your latitude by the solar constant? ... that should clue you in as to why ...

I've only been in one blizzard ... and it wasn't all that cold during the actual snow event ... after it cleared out and we had clear skies is when temperatures really crashed ... bottomed out at -35ºF during fair weather ... the killer was when the wind kicked up ... -10ºF temperature with a wind chill at -60ºF ...

It was always warmer during a Clipper event ... while is was snowing ...

 

[San Souci]

Have you multiplied the cosine of your latitude by the solar constant? ... that should clue you in as to why ...

I've only been in one blizzard ... and it wasn't all that cold during the actual snow event ... after it cleared out and we had clear skies is when temperatures really crashed ... bottomed out at -35ºF during fair weather ... the killer was when the wind kicked up ... -10ºF temperature with a wind chill at -60ºF ...

It was always warmer during a Clipper event ... while is was snowing ...

Oh ,well. Guess I'll go out to the Hot Tub and get a Cloud Tan.

 

[ReinyDays]

Oh ,well. Guess I'll go out to the Hot Tub and get a Cloud Tan.

70ºF and sunny on Malibu Beach right now ... you should already be gardening by the middle of February ... did you multiply the cosine of your latitude by the solar constant yet? ... maybe your problem is latitude and not climate ...