Official Impeachment Thread 2.0: House Judiciary Committee Hearings
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Slade3200
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It would drag Obama, our EU Allies, Ukrainian reform leaders and the IMF. Either they are all engaging in a conspiracy to protect Hunter Biden or you and Trump are full of shit. Occam‘s razor says it’s the latter
Great!! Since it's the President who sets US policy, that drags Obama kicking and screaming into the mess. Dis gunna be good.
Slade3200
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My source is a US Ambassador who worked for the administration at the time and who testified to that under oath to congress. Is your reply really going to be that she is lying? Final answer?
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Where does it demand that Shokin be fired?
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After reading it what do you think it is calling for?
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Where is the documentary evidence? Why should anyone believe a Trump hating partisan?
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It would drag Obama, our EU Allies, Ukrainian reform leaders and the IMF. Either they are all engaging in a conspiracy to protect Hunter Biden or you and Trump are full of shit. Occam‘s razor says it’s the latter
Great!! Since it's the President who sets US policy, that drags Obama kicking and screaming into the mess. Dis gunna be good.
Nobody is "protecting" the Bidens, more information comes out every week or so from the ongoing investigation over there. And Biden's bribery and theft took place before Ukraine's reform.
Once we get Hunter on the stand, then the crackhead will rat on his own dad. Then it will be Joe being subpoenad. He will no doubt spill his guts and rat out Obama, seeing as how Obama won't give him the time of day now.
The Dems' Lose-Lose Situation
Democrats have painted themselves into a corner where none of their impeachment options is good.
Having forced the nation to endure weeks of himself pretending to be god and trumpeting hearsay testimony as "revelatory," Adam Schiff has retired to his candlelit study to write in his own carefully drawn blood his “Impeachment Report.” From there it goes to Nadler, who will concur.
After that, Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats have a decision to make as to how they will proceed. And none of their options are good.
Democrats find themselves in quite the quandary. They have been planning Donald Trump’s impeachment since the second Wednesday of November 2016. The more manipulative among them, those of the “insurance policy,” were taking precautions even before then. Yet, despite their solipsistic insistence that they are the “thinking” party, the party of “science,” and of candidates with a thousand plans and ideas, Trump always seemed to have the Democrats flummoxed.
The day after they took Robert Swan Mueller III away from watching the Weather Channel and propped him up like Elvis Presley’s coat to testify in front of “House Colostomy Bag” Jerrold Lewis Nadler’s committee and he showed himself to be a mere figurehead more interested in what was for lunch than what was in his own report, they rolled out the “new charges, same swamp” faux “whistleblower," Eric Ciaramella.
They could have shown some humility and let it drop, after having wrongly and relentlessly publicly chased the man for more than three years only to be reduced to claiming that an innocent man screaming, “I’m innocent” was obstructing justice. Confident that Americans hated Donald Trump, and with the next election less than two years away, they could have concentrated on their jobs -- you know, as legislators -- but they just couldn’t pull the trigger on doing the right thing.
Despite always calling Republicans, “haters,” their hatred of Trump was not only their prime but absolute motivation. Yet, as much as it motivated, it blinded. They just had to take another shot at the king. And so, we had the embarrassingly unfair impeachment inquiry.
Even then, after all their plans, all their ideas, all their machinations in designing a made-for-TV pseudo-impeachment where all the rules were stacked against the president and his supporters on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, they still failed. This is Adam Schiff’s committee and it’s important to note that a committee on “intelligence:" is headed by not only a known moron, but a most dangerous of morons, a moron who doesn’t know he’s a moron. Schiff is just 1/1024 genius.
They can impeach the president and send the matter to trial in the Senate, where chances of success in the Republican-controlled upper chamber are less than 1/1024. In addition, having a trial with actual rules giving the president due process will likely boost Trump’s public support, while forcing the 31 Democrats from districts won by Trump in 2016 to go on the record, probably costing many their seats, even costing Pelosi her majority and guaranteeing Trump’s reelection.
They can drop impeachment and censure the president. This will anger her base, who will accept nothing less than impeachment, perhaps convincing many to stay home next November – potentially costing Nancy her gavel and giving Trump four more years.
Democrats have painted themselves into a corner where none of their impeachment options is good.
Having forced the nation to endure weeks of himself pretending to be god and trumpeting hearsay testimony as "revelatory," Adam Schiff has retired to his candlelit study to write in his own carefully drawn blood his “Impeachment Report.” From there it goes to Nadler, who will concur.
After that, Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats have a decision to make as to how they will proceed. And none of their options are good.
Democrats find themselves in quite the quandary. They have been planning Donald Trump’s impeachment since the second Wednesday of November 2016. The more manipulative among them, those of the “insurance policy,” were taking precautions even before then. Yet, despite their solipsistic insistence that they are the “thinking” party, the party of “science,” and of candidates with a thousand plans and ideas, Trump always seemed to have the Democrats flummoxed.
The day after they took Robert Swan Mueller III away from watching the Weather Channel and propped him up like Elvis Presley’s coat to testify in front of “House Colostomy Bag” Jerrold Lewis Nadler’s committee and he showed himself to be a mere figurehead more interested in what was for lunch than what was in his own report, they rolled out the “new charges, same swamp” faux “whistleblower," Eric Ciaramella.
They could have shown some humility and let it drop, after having wrongly and relentlessly publicly chased the man for more than three years only to be reduced to claiming that an innocent man screaming, “I’m innocent” was obstructing justice. Confident that Americans hated Donald Trump, and with the next election less than two years away, they could have concentrated on their jobs -- you know, as legislators -- but they just couldn’t pull the trigger on doing the right thing.
Despite always calling Republicans, “haters,” their hatred of Trump was not only their prime but absolute motivation. Yet, as much as it motivated, it blinded. They just had to take another shot at the king. And so, we had the embarrassingly unfair impeachment inquiry.
Even then, after all their plans, all their ideas, all their machinations in designing a made-for-TV pseudo-impeachment where all the rules were stacked against the president and his supporters on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, they still failed. This is Adam Schiff’s committee and it’s important to note that a committee on “intelligence:" is headed by not only a known moron, but a most dangerous of morons, a moron who doesn’t know he’s a moron. Schiff is just 1/1024 genius.
They can impeach the president and send the matter to trial in the Senate, where chances of success in the Republican-controlled upper chamber are less than 1/1024. In addition, having a trial with actual rules giving the president due process will likely boost Trump’s public support, while forcing the 31 Democrats from districts won by Trump in 2016 to go on the record, probably costing many their seats, even costing Pelosi her majority and guaranteeing Trump’s reelection.
They can drop impeachment and censure the president. This will anger her base, who will accept nothing less than impeachment, perhaps convincing many to stay home next November – potentially costing Nancy her gavel and giving Trump four more years.
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That is the exact same bullshit defense Turley gave when he represented Thomas Porteous in his impeachment in 2010. It didn't prevent Porteous from being kicked out of office then, but the GOP still had some integrity back then. As far as the house being full of crazy repub fuckers, they impeached Clinton for a consensual blowjob.
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"It was a known position of our country and allies" is not a quote of some government official in a position of authority demanding the Shokin be fired. You still haven't quoted anyone demand Shokin to be fired.
Slade3200
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because she was the Ukrainian ambassador who testified under oath and said something that dozens of officials could easily contradict if she was Perjuring herself. But I guess you’re gonna run with the “she’s lying reply too?”
you two are literally retarded
The same might be asked of you bri Why should anyone believe anything this lying AH trump or his traitors say/
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Not a Trump supporter.
But if you think Nadler, or the group to his left, is being fair, you're more partisan than I considered possible.
Since when are you not a Trump supporter? You argue in support of that orange fool and against his opponents every day.
oh he's a trump supporter,,,,,,,,,say's he didn't vote for him,,,,maybe true but bet he never voted dem in his lifetime ,,,,a true repub
Trump supporters voluntarily discard any sign of integrity. You didn't expect you would get honesty from him did you?
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Yeah I should have figured it was over your head. Reforms to his office means replacing leadership in his office which means firing the current corrupt leader in that office, Shokin. It isn’t difficult and it was also widely known and talked about back then. I posted and article from 2016 and testimony from the ambassador. You you can’t accept really after all that then you are a hopeless idiot
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Where did she say the US and its allies were demanding that Shokin be fired?
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No one is asking you to take Trump at his word, dumbass.
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So says you. He did nothing but say to Zelensky, that the Attorney General Barr, and Guliani are the people he should work with on issues of corruption.
So how about instead of avoiding facts and evading questions, why don’t you just bring some facts and evidence?
But Facts and Evidence are not something that Nazis and Communists require when they need to move a political rival out of the way.
Your biased opinion is invalid.
How about this, why don’t you do “US” (The United States) a favor and investigate Joe Biden’s dealings with Russian Puppets in The Ukraine for his own personal enrichment?
No, that was not “The Royal US”
How are “the wages of desperation” paying off for you?
Shit on your face is how.
You deserve it by the way.
So how about instead of avoiding facts and evading questions, why don’t you just bring some facts and evidence?
But Facts and Evidence are not something that Nazis and Communists require when they need to move a political rival out of the way.
Your biased opinion is invalid.
How about this, why don’t you do “US” (The United States) a favor and investigate Joe Biden’s dealings with Russian Puppets in The Ukraine for his own personal enrichment?
No, that was not “The Royal US”
How are “the wages of desperation” paying off for you?
Shit on your face is how.
You deserve it by the way.
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