Of course the deniers will deny

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Go piss up a rope, authoritarian statist scum.

Go choke on smoke, environment destroying LiberTARDian.

The environment is being "destroyed" far more by the Chicoms and the India street shitters, you knuckle dragging boob.

India & China are basically Libertarian when it comes to pollution.

That’s hilariously stupid. You just outed yourself as totally ignorant of libertarian philosophy.

Not only that, but everyone is supposed to reason with him in return...The insufferable blend of ignorance and arrogance that dwells within every statist would-be thug.

You Brits are truly a race of dunderheads.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Western culture.

thanks for your response, my little pierogi. Western culture invented
capitalism and spread it thruout the world------all the way back in ancient
Egypt and Mesopotamia----onward to Greece, Persia and Rome

Capitalism is destroying the environment, integrity, our culture etc.

Fascism is also a by product of Western culture, and would've been far better at problem solving, than these "Do nothing, its freedom morons"

Socialist/communist nations have a far worse record on the environment, heck West/East Germany was a sterling example.

Your irrational attacks on Capitalism marks you as a brainwashed moron.

It's all they have left.. Socialism is a failure and it continues toe be exposed more and more each day. The lies about capitalism are being shown to be nothing more than projection, from the socialist left wing liars.

Hmm.
#1 economic growth in the 20th Century. (Japan)
#1 economic growth in 20th Century Europe & #2 in the World. (Franco's Spain)
#1 economic growth in 20th Century America (FDR) The Best And Worst US Presidents For GDP Growth
All
= Socialism.
Japanese economic miracle - Wikipedia

" The Japanese government contributed to the post-war Japanese economic miracle by stimulating private sector growth, first by instituting regulations and protectionism that effectively managed economic crises and later by concentrating on trade expansion.[2]

In 1954, the economic system MITI had cultivated from 1949 to 1953 came into full effect. Prime Minister Hayato Ikeda, who Johnson[who?] calls "the single most important individual architect of the Japanese economic miracle," pursued a policy of heavy industrialization.[citation needed] This policy led to the emergence of 'over-loaning' (a practice that continues today) in which the Bank of Japan issues loans to city banks who in turn issue loans to industrial conglomerates. Since there was a shortage of capital in Japan at the time, industrial conglomerates borrowed beyond their capacity to repay, often beyond their net worth, causing city banks in turn to over-borrow from the Bank of Japan. This gave the national Bank of Japan complete control over dependent local banks.

The system of over-loaning, combined with the government's relaxation of anti-monopoly laws (a remnant of SCAP control) also led to the re-emergence of conglomerate groups called keiretsu that mirrored the wartime conglomerates, or zaibatsu. Led by the economic improvements of Sony businessmen Masaru Ibuka and Akio Morita, the keiretsu efficiently allocated resources and became competitive internationally.[14]

At the heart of the keiretsu conglomerates' success lay city banks, which lent generously, formalizing cross-share holdings in diverse industries. The keiretsu spurred both horizontal and vertical integration, locking out foreign companies from Japanese industries. Keiretsu had close relations with MITI and each other through the cross-placement of shares, providing protection from foreign take-overs. For example, 83% of Japan's Development Bank's finances went toward strategic industries: shipbuilding, electric power, coal and steel production.[15] Keiretsu proved crucial to protectionist measures that shielded Japan's sapling economy.


Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

Initiation of the boom[edit]
The "economic miracle" was initiated by the reforms promoted by the so-called technocrats who, with Franco's approval, put in place policies developed in Spain. The technocrats, many of whom were members of Opus Dei, were a new breed of politicians who replaced the old falangist guard.[1] The implementation of these policies took the form of development plans (Spanish: Planes de desarrollo) and it was largely a success: Spain enjoyed the second highest growth rate in the world, only slightly behind Japan[2] and became the ninth largest economy in the world, just behind Canada. Spain joined the industrialised world, leaving behind the poverty and endemic functional underdevelopment it had experienced following the Napoleonic wars, the loss of most of its imperium in the 1820s and the civil wars of the 19th century because of the dynastic dispute for the crown

Although there was economic liberalisation in the period, key enterprises remained under state control.

You dont have a dam clue...

Tell me how their standard of living and treatment is you idiot... Once more tell me how many die each year from socialist/dictator abuse and tyranny.. How is your utopia of Venezuela doing? You are ignorant of history and a fool!

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

thanks for your response, my little pierogi. Western culture invented
capitalism and spread it thruout the world------all the way back in ancient
Egypt and Mesopotamia----onward to Greece, Persia and Rome

Capitalism is destroying the environment, integrity, our culture etc.

Fascism is also a by product of Western culture, and would've been far better at problem solving, than these "Do nothing, its freedom morons"

Socialist/communist nations have a far worse record on the environment, heck West/East Germany was a sterling example.

Your irrational attacks on Capitalism marks you as a brainwashed moron.

It's all they have left.. Socialism is a failure and it continues toe be exposed more and more each day. The lies about capitalism are being shown to be nothing more than projection, from the socialist left wing liars.

Hmm.
#1 economic growth in the 20th Century. (Japan)
#1 economic growth in 20th Century Europe & #2 in the World. (Franco's Spain)
#1 economic growth in 20th Century America (FDR) The Best And Worst US Presidents For GDP Growth
All
= Socialism.
Japanese economic miracle - Wikipedia

" The Japanese government contributed to the post-war Japanese economic miracle by stimulating private sector growth, first by instituting regulations and protectionism that effectively managed economic crises and later by concentrating on trade expansion.[2]

In 1954, the economic system MITI had cultivated from 1949 to 1953 came into full effect. Prime Minister Hayato Ikeda, who Johnson[who?] calls "the single most important individual architect of the Japanese economic miracle," pursued a policy of heavy industrialization.[citation needed] This policy led to the emergence of 'over-loaning' (a practice that continues today) in which the Bank of Japan issues loans to city banks who in turn issue loans to industrial conglomerates. Since there was a shortage of capital in Japan at the time, industrial conglomerates borrowed beyond their capacity to repay, often beyond their net worth, causing city banks in turn to over-borrow from the Bank of Japan. This gave the national Bank of Japan complete control over dependent local banks.

The system of over-loaning, combined with the government's relaxation of anti-monopoly laws (a remnant of SCAP control) also led to the re-emergence of conglomerate groups called keiretsu that mirrored the wartime conglomerates, or zaibatsu. Led by the economic improvements of Sony businessmen Masaru Ibuka and Akio Morita, the keiretsu efficiently allocated resources and became competitive internationally.[14]

At the heart of the keiretsu conglomerates' success lay city banks, which lent generously, formalizing cross-share holdings in diverse industries. The keiretsu spurred both horizontal and vertical integration, locking out foreign companies from Japanese industries. Keiretsu had close relations with MITI and each other through the cross-placement of shares, providing protection from foreign take-overs. For example, 83% of Japan's Development Bank's finances went toward strategic industries: shipbuilding, electric power, coal and steel production.[15] Keiretsu proved crucial to protectionist measures that shielded Japan's sapling economy.


Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

Initiation of the boom[edit]
The "economic miracle" was initiated by the reforms promoted by the so-called technocrats who, with Franco's approval, put in place policies developed in Spain. The technocrats, many of whom were members of Opus Dei, were a new breed of politicians who replaced the old falangist guard.[1] The implementation of these policies took the form of development plans (Spanish: Planes de desarrollo) and it was largely a success: Spain enjoyed the second highest growth rate in the world, only slightly behind Japan[2] and became the ninth largest economy in the world, just behind Canada. Spain joined the industrialised world, leaving behind the poverty and endemic functional underdevelopment it had experienced following the Napoleonic wars, the loss of most of its imperium in the 1820s and the civil wars of the 19th century because of the dynastic dispute for the crown

Although there was economic liberalisation in the period, key enterprises remained under state control.

You dont have a dam clue...

Tell me how their standard of living and treatment is you idiot... Once more tell me how many die each year from socialist/dictator abuse and tyranny.. How is your utopia of Venezuela doing? You are ignorant of history and a fool!

Typical simpleminded Individualist.

Socialism as in a mixed economy has achieved the best results.

Communism & Capitalism each achieve terrible results.

Capitalism also leads to decay & despair.

 

[SSDD]

Capitalism is destroying the environment, integrity, our culture etc.

If you look at the worst ecological disasters on the planet, the vast majority of them are in socialist / communist countries, or in areas that have been under the control of liberal politicians for some time. I was just in los angeles and it is like visiting a 3rd world country...so long as you stay close to your overpriced hotel, it isn't a bad area except for the stink of raw sewage in the gutters 4 blocks over...

 

[SSDD]

Socialism as in a mixed economy has achieved the best results.

Communism & Capitalism each achieve terrible results.

Capitalism also leads to decay & despair.

Guess you never actually looked at what life is really like under socialism...Here...have a gander... Capitalism is the only system that allows people to move freely up (or down) the social ladder. Look around some day...see that guy in a pick up towing a couple of lawn mowers and some other lawn maintenance equipment? He may well have already become a millionaire and is in all likelihood providing employment for others. Socialism / communism eliminates the incentive to get up, get out, and make your own success. People who favor socialist / communist leadership are of the weak minded sort who are afraid to accept the responsibility of getting on with life...or they are so enamored of themselves that they believe they know what is best for everyone and want to dictate how everyone should live....if you were of the second sort, you probably wouldn't have time to post here so you probably fit into the first category.. If you want to live that way, you can do it here easily enough on the welfare rolls...but don't think that you have any right to drag me down there in the gutter with you.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Capitalism is destroying the environment, integrity, our culture etc.

If you look at the worst ecological disasters on the planet, the vast majority of them are in socialist / communist countries, or in areas that have been under the control of liberal politicians for some time. I was just in los angeles and it is like visiting a 3rd world country...so long as you stay close to your overpriced hotel, it isn't a bad area except for the stink of raw sewage in the gutters 4 blocks over...

Not really, and Socialist countries which had a lot of environmental issues, did so out of deregulation AKA Libertarianism.

Some Crapitalist natural disasters.

Bhopal disaster - Wikipedia

Love Canal - Wikipedia

Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia

Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia

Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster - Wikipedia

Three Mile Island accident - Wikipedia

Sandoz chemical spill - Wikipedia

Phillips disaster of 1989 - Wikipedia

1948 Donora smog - Wikipedia

Minamata disease - Wikipedia

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Socialism as in a mixed economy has achieved the best results.

Communism & Capitalism each achieve terrible results.

Capitalism also leads to decay & despair.

Guess you never actually looked at what life is really like under socialism...Here...have a gander... Capitalism is the only system that allows people to move freely up (or down) the social ladder. Look around some day...see that guy in a pick up towing a couple of lawn mowers and some other lawn maintenance equipment? He may well have already become a millionaire and is in all likelihood providing employment for others. Socialism / communism eliminates the incentive to get up, get out, and make your own success. People who favor socialist / communist leadership are of the weak minded sort who are afraid to accept the responsibility of getting on with life...or they are so enamored of themselves that they believe they know what is best for everyone and want to dictate how everyone should live....if you were of the second sort, you probably wouldn't have time to post here so you probably fit into the first category.. If you want to live that way, you can do it here easily enough on the welfare rolls...but don't think that you have any right to drag me down there in the gutter with you.

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Capitalism behaves more like Communism than you think.

Capitalist Monopolies cut corners, make junky products, and raise costs of living, JUST LIKE under Communism.

This leads to hopelessness, decay & despair.

This doesn't even begin to speak about all the issues Capitalism brings.

- Environmental destruction.
- Illegal Immigrants hired.
- H2B Visa immigrants hired.
- Outsourced jobs.
- Hollywood smut
- Porn Industry.
- Strip clubs.
- Gay Bar & Gay Tavern owners.
- Facebook. silencing the Right-Wing.
- Youtube silencing the Right-Wing
- Google Liberal biases.
- MSNBC peddling Liberalism.
- CNN peddling Liberalism.
- Hospital Capitalists performing Abortion.
- Hospital Capitalists performing Sex change operations.
- Prostitute Capitalists.
- Drug dealer Capitalists.
- Music industry Capitalists selling Gangster Rap music.
- Capitalist companies selling Che Guevara T-Shirts.
- High Health Insurance costs.
- Processed & refined foods by McDonalds & countless other foods companies & food sellers.

 

[SSDD]

Capitalism is destroying the environment, integrity, our culture etc.

If you look at the worst ecological disasters on the planet, the vast majority of them are in socialist / communist countries, or in areas that have been under the control of liberal politicians for some time. I was just in los angeles and it is like visiting a 3rd world country...so long as you stay close to your overpriced hotel, it isn't a bad area except for the stink of raw sewage in the gutters 4 blocks over...

Not really, and Socialist countries which had a lot of environmental issues, did so out of deregulation AKA Libertarianism.

Some Crapitalist natural disasters.

Bhopal disaster - Wikipedia

Love Canal - Wikipedia

Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia

Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia

Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster - Wikipedia

Three Mile Island accident - Wikipedia

Sandoz chemical spill - Wikipedia

Phillips disaster of 1989 - Wikipedia

1948 Donora smog - Wikipedia

Minamata disease - Wikipedia

Interesting what you call "capitalist" disasters... since communist / socialist nations use pesticides, and oil, and chemicals...and when you look (clearly you haven't) at the same sorts of accidents in communist / socialist nations, you see that those capitalist incidents are small potatoes in comparison.

The love canal incident..covered about .1 square miles...and was cleaned up...there are far far worse landfill issues going on in communist / socialist nations all over the world...

And interesting that you mention the deep water oil spill...Take a look at Usinsk in Russia...there is a spill there..still seeping into the ground since 2013, 6 times the size of the deep water horizon spill...very little effort to clean it up has been made...on average russia spills 5 million barrels of oil a year in the arctic....the Komi Republic in russia is spilling an amount of oil equal to the deepwater horizon incident twice every year...crumbling infrastructure and since they have no real economy to speak of because of socialist / communist economic policy, no one is making enough money to pay taxes so there is no money to do repairs.... Want to look at china, how about venezuela, about any other socialist nation pumping oil...

As to the reactor issues...take all the nuclear incidents that have happened in every capitalist country and combine them and you still won't have a disaster equal to Chernobyl...then there was the Kyshtym incident, and Mayak, as many as half a million people have been damaged by that incident alone,

If you can bear to look at the extent of the ecological disasters that communist / socialist countries have had, and the pitifully weak effort to clean them up, just go down the list, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, China, Mongolia, Rumania, Bulgaria, Khazakhstan, and on the list goes...

And the events you list for capitalist countries have had a great deal of money spent cleaning them up...the events that have happened in communist / socialist nations for the most part, still sit, festering the environment sometimes decades and in some instances half a century or more after they happened....

Sorry guy, you are just a dupe....how anyone can think that communism / socialism is a better system for anyone is beyond me...the history speaks for itself..your paltry list of disasters in capitalist nations is no more than crayon on the wall compared to the extent of ecological disaster in communist / socialist nations...

 

[SSDD]

Capitalism behaves more like Communism than you think.

Really? Where do I look for the mass graves filled with people who didn't like the government? Which towns might I visit to see people turning in their neighbors to death squads in order to get an extra ration ticket or two?

Your whole list of grievances doesn't even compare to the misery foisted upon human beings by communist socialist regimes....while you are complaining...take a minute to consider the fact that you are only able to complain in public because you live in a capitalist country...talk about government like you have in a communist / socialist country...if you are lucky enough to even have a computer and electricity to run it and you will have some very unpleasant visitors at your door in short order...and they won't be there just for you..they will be there for your entire family...

Wake up and smell the coffee...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Capitalism behaves more like Communism than you think.

Really? Where do I look for the mass graves filled with people who didn't like the government? Which towns might I visit to see people turning in their neighbors to death squads in order to get an extra ration ticket or two?

Your whole list of grievances doesn't even compare to the misery foisted upon human beings by communist socialist regimes....while you are complaining...take a minute to consider the fact that you are only able to complain in public because you live in a capitalist country...talk about government like you have in a communist / socialist country...if you are lucky enough to even have a computer and electricity to run it and you will have some very unpleasant visitors at your door in short order...and they won't be there just for you..they will be there for your entire family...

Wake up and smell the coffee...

Wake up & smell the coffee.

Brits in the UK, and USA are the biggest modern head ache.

British ethnics a modern headache?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Capitalism is destroying the environment, integrity, our culture etc.

If you look at the worst ecological disasters on the planet, the vast majority of them are in socialist / communist countries, or in areas that have been under the control of liberal politicians for some time. I was just in los angeles and it is like visiting a 3rd world country...so long as you stay close to your overpriced hotel, it isn't a bad area except for the stink of raw sewage in the gutters 4 blocks over...

Not really, and Socialist countries which had a lot of environmental issues, did so out of deregulation AKA Libertarianism.

Some Crapitalist natural disasters.

Bhopal disaster - Wikipedia

Love Canal - Wikipedia

Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia

Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia

Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster - Wikipedia

Three Mile Island accident - Wikipedia

Sandoz chemical spill - Wikipedia

Phillips disaster of 1989 - Wikipedia

1948 Donora smog - Wikipedia

Minamata disease - Wikipedia

Interesting what you call "capitalist" disasters... since communist / socialist nations use pesticides, and oil, and chemicals...and when you look (clearly you haven't) at the same sorts of accidents in communist / socialist nations, you see that those capitalist incidents are small potatoes in comparison.

The love canal incident..covered about .1 square miles...and was cleaned up...there are far far worse landfill issues going on in communist / socialist nations all over the world...

And interesting that you mention the deep water oil spill...Take a look at Usinsk in Russia...there is a spill there..still seeping into the ground since 2013, 6 times the size of the deep water horizon spill...very little effort to clean it up has been made...on average russia spills 5 million barrels of oil a year in the arctic....the Komi Republic in russia is spilling an amount of oil equal to the deepwater horizon incident twice every year...crumbling infrastructure and since they have no real economy to speak of because of socialist / communist economic policy, no one is making enough money to pay taxes so there is no money to do repairs.... Want to look at china, how about venezuela, about any other socialist nation pumping oil...

As to the reactor issues...take all the nuclear incidents that have happened in every capitalist country and combine them and you still won't have a disaster equal to Chernobyl...then there was the Kyshtym incident, and Mayak, as many as half a million people have been damaged by that incident alone,

If you can bear to look at the extent of the ecological disasters that communist / socialist countries have had, and the pitifully weak effort to clean them up, just go down the list, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, China, Mongolia, Rumania, Bulgaria, Khazakhstan, and on the list goes...

And the events you list for capitalist countries have had a great deal of money spent cleaning them up...the events that have happened in communist / socialist nations for the most part, still sit, festering the environment sometimes decades and in some instances half a century or more after they happened....

Sorry guy, you are just a dupe....how anyone can think that communism / socialism is a better system for anyone is beyond me...the history speaks for itself..your paltry list of disasters in capitalist nations is no more than crayon on the wall compared to the extent of ecological disaster in communist / socialist nations...

Because wait for it.
Wait for it.
Drum roll.
Those Communists were basically Libertarians when it comes to the environment.

 

[irosie91]

Capitalism is destroying the environment, integrity, our culture etc.

If you look at the worst ecological disasters on the planet, the vast majority of them are in socialist / communist countries, or in areas that have been under the control of liberal politicians for some time. I was just in los angeles and it is like visiting a 3rd world country...so long as you stay close to your overpriced hotel, it isn't a bad area except for the stink of raw sewage in the gutters 4 blocks over...

Not really, and Socialist countries which had a lot of environmental issues, did so out of deregulation AKA Libertarianism.

Some Crapitalist natural disasters.

Bhopal disaster - Wikipedia

Love Canal - Wikipedia

Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia

Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia

Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster - Wikipedia

Three Mile Island accident - Wikipedia

Sandoz chemical spill - Wikipedia

Phillips disaster of 1989 - Wikipedia

1948 Donora smog - Wikipedia

Minamata disease - Wikipedia

Interesting what you call "capitalist" disasters... since communist / socialist nations use pesticides, and oil, and chemicals...and when you look (clearly you haven't) at the same sorts of accidents in communist / socialist nations, you see that those capitalist incidents are small potatoes in comparison.

The love canal incident..covered about .1 square miles...and was cleaned up...there are far far worse landfill issues going on in communist / socialist nations all over the world...

And interesting that you mention the deep water oil spill...Take a look at Usinsk in Russia...there is a spill there..still seeping into the ground since 2013, 6 times the size of the deep water horizon spill...very little effort to clean it up has been made...on average russia spills 5 million barrels of oil a year in the arctic....the Komi Republic in russia is spilling an amount of oil equal to the deepwater horizon incident twice every year...crumbling infrastructure and since they have no real economy to speak of because of socialist / communist economic policy, no one is making enough money to pay taxes so there is no money to do repairs.... Want to look at china, how about venezuela, about any other socialist nation pumping oil...

As to the reactor issues...take all the nuclear incidents that have happened in every capitalist country and combine them and you still won't have a disaster equal to Chernobyl...then there was the Kyshtym incident, and Mayak, as many as half a million people have been damaged by that incident alone,

If you can bear to look at the extent of the ecological disasters that communist / socialist countries have had, and the pitifully weak effort to clean them up, just go down the list, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, China, Mongolia, Rumania, Bulgaria, Khazakhstan, and on the list goes...

And the events you list for capitalist countries have had a great deal of money spent cleaning them up...the events that have happened in communist / socialist nations for the most part, still sit, festering the environment sometimes decades and in some instances half a century or more after they happened....

Sorry guy, you are just a dupe....how anyone can think that communism / socialism is a better system for anyone is beyond me...the history speaks for itself..your paltry list of disasters in capitalist nations is no more than crayon on the wall compared to the extent of ecological disaster in communist / socialist nations...

Leave my little pierogi , SOBIE alone------he is just being friendly-----
engaging us in conversation.......before the really heavy WODKA
ingestion begins

 

[SSDD]

Capitalism is destroying the environment, integrity, our culture etc.

If you look at the worst ecological disasters on the planet, the vast majority of them are in socialist / communist countries, or in areas that have been under the control of liberal politicians for some time. I was just in los angeles and it is like visiting a 3rd world country...so long as you stay close to your overpriced hotel, it isn't a bad area except for the stink of raw sewage in the gutters 4 blocks over...

Not really, and Socialist countries which had a lot of environmental issues, did so out of deregulation AKA Libertarianism.

Some Crapitalist natural disasters.

Bhopal disaster - Wikipedia

Love Canal - Wikipedia

Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia

Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia

Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster - Wikipedia

Three Mile Island accident - Wikipedia

Sandoz chemical spill - Wikipedia

Phillips disaster of 1989 - Wikipedia

1948 Donora smog - Wikipedia

Minamata disease - Wikipedia

Interesting what you call "capitalist" disasters... since communist / socialist nations use pesticides, and oil, and chemicals...and when you look (clearly you haven't) at the same sorts of accidents in communist / socialist nations, you see that those capitalist incidents are small potatoes in comparison.

The love canal incident..covered about .1 square miles...and was cleaned up...there are far far worse landfill issues going on in communist / socialist nations all over the world...

And interesting that you mention the deep water oil spill...Take a look at Usinsk in Russia...there is a spill there..still seeping into the ground since 2013, 6 times the size of the deep water horizon spill...very little effort to clean it up has been made...on average russia spills 5 million barrels of oil a year in the arctic....the Komi Republic in russia is spilling an amount of oil equal to the deepwater horizon incident twice every year...crumbling infrastructure and since they have no real economy to speak of because of socialist / communist economic policy, no one is making enough money to pay taxes so there is no money to do repairs.... Want to look at china, how about venezuela, about any other socialist nation pumping oil...

As to the reactor issues...take all the nuclear incidents that have happened in every capitalist country and combine them and you still won't have a disaster equal to Chernobyl...then there was the Kyshtym incident, and Mayak, as many as half a million people have been damaged by that incident alone,

If you can bear to look at the extent of the ecological disasters that communist / socialist countries have had, and the pitifully weak effort to clean them up, just go down the list, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, China, Mongolia, Rumania, Bulgaria, Khazakhstan, and on the list goes...

And the events you list for capitalist countries have had a great deal of money spent cleaning them up...the events that have happened in communist / socialist nations for the most part, still sit, festering the environment sometimes decades and in some instances half a century or more after they happened....

Sorry guy, you are just a dupe....how anyone can think that communism / socialism is a better system for anyone is beyond me...the history speaks for itself..your paltry list of disasters in capitalist nations is no more than crayon on the wall compared to the extent of ecological disaster in communist / socialist nations...

Because wait for it.
Wait for it.
Drum roll.
Those Communists were basically Libertarians when it comes to the environment.

You really are out there in the realm of the clueless aren’t you? Who feeds you these ridiculous ideas? Are you unaware that governments are the biggest polluters and that communist / socialist governments are the worst offenders do all? Of course you are unaware...you are a puppet just saying and believing as you are instructed.

While I’m not libertarian, i would agree with their demand for draconian enforcement of laws which are supposed to protect public resources, or pollution that effects the property of another...

Your knowledge of political philosophy is remarkably shallow...libertarians would be vicious enforcers of protections for the environment since it is nigh on impossible to be a serious polluter without infringing on someone else’s property rights be they private property or property held in public trust.

Go learn something....develop a few critical thinking skills and then you might be prepared to speak intelligently on the topic.

 

[SSDD]

Capitalism is destroying the environment, integrity, our culture etc.

If you look at the worst ecological disasters on the planet, the vast majority of them are in socialist / communist countries, or in areas that have been under the control of liberal politicians for some time. I was just in los angeles and it is like visiting a 3rd world country...so long as you stay close to your overpriced hotel, it isn't a bad area except for the stink of raw sewage in the gutters 4 blocks over...

Not really, and Socialist countries which had a lot of environmental issues, did so out of deregulation AKA Libertarianism.

Some Crapitalist natural disasters.

Bhopal disaster - Wikipedia

Love Canal - Wikipedia

Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia

Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia

Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster - Wikipedia

Three Mile Island accident - Wikipedia

Sandoz chemical spill - Wikipedia

Phillips disaster of 1989 - Wikipedia

1948 Donora smog - Wikipedia

Minamata disease - Wikipedia

Interesting what you call "capitalist" disasters... since communist / socialist nations use pesticides, and oil, and chemicals...and when you look (clearly you haven't) at the same sorts of accidents in communist / socialist nations, you see that those capitalist incidents are small potatoes in comparison.

The love canal incident..covered about .1 square miles...and was cleaned up...there are far far worse landfill issues going on in communist / socialist nations all over the world...

And interesting that you mention the deep water oil spill...Take a look at Usinsk in Russia...there is a spill there..still seeping into the ground since 2013, 6 times the size of the deep water horizon spill...very little effort to clean it up has been made...on average russia spills 5 million barrels of oil a year in the arctic....the Komi Republic in russia is spilling an amount of oil equal to the deepwater horizon incident twice every year...crumbling infrastructure and since they have no real economy to speak of because of socialist / communist economic policy, no one is making enough money to pay taxes so there is no money to do repairs.... Want to look at china, how about venezuela, about any other socialist nation pumping oil...

As to the reactor issues...take all the nuclear incidents that have happened in every capitalist country and combine them and you still won't have a disaster equal to Chernobyl...then there was the Kyshtym incident, and Mayak, as many as half a million people have been damaged by that incident alone,

If you can bear to look at the extent of the ecological disasters that communist / socialist countries have had, and the pitifully weak effort to clean them up, just go down the list, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, China, Mongolia, Rumania, Bulgaria, Khazakhstan, and on the list goes...

And the events you list for capitalist countries have had a great deal of money spent cleaning them up...the events that have happened in communist / socialist nations for the most part, still sit, festering the environment sometimes decades and in some instances half a century or more after they happened....

Sorry guy, you are just a dupe....how anyone can think that communism / socialism is a better system for anyone is beyond me...the history speaks for itself..your paltry list of disasters in capitalist nations is no more than crayon on the wall compared to the extent of ecological disaster in communist / socialist nations...

Leave my little pierogi , SOBIE alone------he is just being friendly-----
engaging us in conversation.......before the really heavy WODKA
ingestion begins

you have to wonder why someone with such a shallow grasp of political philosophy would want to discuss the topic.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Capitalism is destroying the environment, integrity, our culture etc.

If you look at the worst ecological disasters on the planet, the vast majority of them are in socialist / communist countries, or in areas that have been under the control of liberal politicians for some time. I was just in los angeles and it is like visiting a 3rd world country...so long as you stay close to your overpriced hotel, it isn't a bad area except for the stink of raw sewage in the gutters 4 blocks over...

Not really, and Socialist countries which had a lot of environmental issues, did so out of deregulation AKA Libertarianism.

Some Crapitalist natural disasters.

Bhopal disaster - Wikipedia

Love Canal - Wikipedia

Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia

Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia

Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster - Wikipedia

Three Mile Island accident - Wikipedia

Sandoz chemical spill - Wikipedia

Phillips disaster of 1989 - Wikipedia

1948 Donora smog - Wikipedia

Minamata disease - Wikipedia

Interesting what you call "capitalist" disasters... since communist / socialist nations use pesticides, and oil, and chemicals...and when you look (clearly you haven't) at the same sorts of accidents in communist / socialist nations, you see that those capitalist incidents are small potatoes in comparison.

The love canal incident..covered about .1 square miles...and was cleaned up...there are far far worse landfill issues going on in communist / socialist nations all over the world...

And interesting that you mention the deep water oil spill...Take a look at Usinsk in Russia...there is a spill there..still seeping into the ground since 2013, 6 times the size of the deep water horizon spill...very little effort to clean it up has been made...on average russia spills 5 million barrels of oil a year in the arctic....the Komi Republic in russia is spilling an amount of oil equal to the deepwater horizon incident twice every year...crumbling infrastructure and since they have no real economy to speak of because of socialist / communist economic policy, no one is making enough money to pay taxes so there is no money to do repairs.... Want to look at china, how about venezuela, about any other socialist nation pumping oil...

As to the reactor issues...take all the nuclear incidents that have happened in every capitalist country and combine them and you still won't have a disaster equal to Chernobyl...then there was the Kyshtym incident, and Mayak, as many as half a million people have been damaged by that incident alone,

If you can bear to look at the extent of the ecological disasters that communist / socialist countries have had, and the pitifully weak effort to clean them up, just go down the list, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, China, Mongolia, Rumania, Bulgaria, Khazakhstan, and on the list goes...

And the events you list for capitalist countries have had a great deal of money spent cleaning them up...the events that have happened in communist / socialist nations for the most part, still sit, festering the environment sometimes decades and in some instances half a century or more after they happened....

Sorry guy, you are just a dupe....how anyone can think that communism / socialism is a better system for anyone is beyond me...the history speaks for itself..your paltry list of disasters in capitalist nations is no more than crayon on the wall compared to the extent of ecological disaster in communist / socialist nations...

Because wait for it.
Wait for it.
Drum roll.
Those Communists were basically Libertarians when it comes to the environment.

You really are out there in the realm of the clueless aren’t you? Who feeds you these ridiculous ideas? Are you unaware that governments are the biggest polluters and that communist / socialist governments are the worst offenders do all? Of course you are unaware...you are a puppet just saying and believing as you are instructed.

While I’m not libertarian, i would agree with their demand for draconian enforcement of laws which are supposed to protect public resources, or pollution that effects the property of another...

Your knowledge of political philosophy is remarkably shallow...libertarians would be vicious enforcers of protections for the environment since it is nigh on impossible to be a serious polluter without infringing on someone else’s property rights be they private property or property held in public trust.

Go learn something....develop a few critical thinking skills and then you might be prepared to speak intelligently on the topic.

No, Libertarians would support pollution deregulation.
Just like Communists did.

I'm not a Communist BTW, So I don't know why we're even having this discussion.

Maybe because British Isle dunderheads in the USA think the whole World is just Libertarians vs Communists.

I'm an Authoritarian on the Right, AKA basically a Fascist, Nationalistic Socialist.

While, I do disagree much with Nazis.

They had started much good ideas too.
They actually formed many of the more modern environmentalism.

Including Apocalyptic Global Warming by Nazi Gunther Schwab.


PS.
Nazi Germany did wrong in the Holocaust & Drang Nach Osten (Generalplan Ost)

But, they had better tech than the USA, they also had better economic growth than any USA President in the 20th Century.

Maybe its time to take the good ideas from Nazis, and separate them from the bad ideas of Nazis.

 

[skookerasbil]

Lol....deniers dont have to do dick. They are winning and handily....for 20 years now!!

Climate change action is virtually non-existent and especially in the US. The reason is simple....voters dont care!

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Lol....deniers dont have to do dick. They are winning and handily....for 20 years now!!

Climate change action is virtually non-existent and especially in the US. The reason is simple....voters dont care!

Correction British ethnic dunderheads down South don't care.

I live in Dutchess County NY which had voted Trump.
But most I meet here are at least mildly concerned with the environment or global warming.

Because we are more educated. Catholics.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Lol....deniers dont have to do dick. They are winning and handily....for 20 years now!!

Climate change action is virtually non-existent and especially in the US. The reason is simple....voters dont care!

Correction British ethnic dunderheads down South don't care.

I live in Dutchess County NY which had voted Trump.
But most I meet here are at least mildly concerned with the environment or global warming.

Because we are more educated. Catholics.

Your parents are gonna get a taste of environmentally friendly policies as new gas lines have been banned , indian point goes off line and no new generation plants get built

Enjoy the decline and yet another cost of living increase for the workers you claim to care so much about ....from the pews of the catlick church I guess

It's new years eve go out tonight and try and smooch a girl ...
Head for greenpoint Have some cabbage ,ribs , rye bread and beazs

Head over to the south side hug a yid....?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Lol....deniers dont have to do dick. They are winning and handily....for 20 years now!!

Climate change action is virtually non-existent and especially in the US. The reason is simple....voters dont care!

Correction British ethnic dunderheads down South don't care.

I live in Dutchess County NY which had voted Trump.
But most I meet here are at least mildly concerned with the environment or global warming.

Because we are more educated. Catholics.

Your parents are gonna get a taste of environmentally friendly policies as new gas lines have been banned , indian point goes off line and no new generation plants get built

Enjoy the decline and yet another cost of living increase for the workers you claim to care so much about ....from the pews of the catlick church I guess

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It's new years eve go out tonight and try and smooch a girl ...
Head for greenpoint Have some cabbage ,ribs , rye bread and beazs

Head over to the south side hug a yid....?

Cricket Valley power plant in Dover, NY just North of Pawling in Dutchess County, NY is being built & has a 2020 open date.

I suppose it'll give Onion Town Brit Hicks a job, that is if they want it.

Onion Town is New York's version of Appalachia.

 

[SSDD]

No, Libertarians would support pollution deregulation.
Just like Communists did.

Again, your very shallow knowledge on the topic is showing. Which citizen of any communist country would have been able to sue the government for polluting their property or property held in the public trust?

If you look across the broad spectrum, privately held property is better maintained than unowned or politically controlled property. At the heart of libertarian
You seem to be perfectly willing to ignore the fact that government is the worst polluter of all..and are perfectly fine with having the worst polluter in charge of environmental protection. How much sense does that make?

The truth is that institutions like property rights, and common-law liability in the courts would be far more effective than any government run program. At the heart a libertarian environmental plan would be a set of explicitly specified private and public property and resource rights and the full weight of the court system to enforce them. And as I said, it is nigh on impossible to be a serious polluter without violating someones public or private property rights.

As much as you seem to believe that government is the better steward of the environment, the observable, measurable fact is that government is the worst polluter and the least effective at preserving the environment.

The fact that you are willing to ignore the blatant facts of history in favor of your pie in the sky beliefs illustrates that you lack a firm enough grasp on the topic for your thoughts to carry any real weight.

Government will never be as good a steward of the environment as a private individual who understands that should his practices on his private property negatively effect the property rights of his neighbor or neighbors, he will come under the full authority of the law...and may well be broken, and find himself permanently in the service of his neighbors till he compensates them for his infringement on their rights....