Odessa shooter had previous contact with police, the FBI knew him, he failed gun background check

[Lewdog]

No, moron...once he defeated the weak armies of those countries the civilians were helpless......because they had no guns.

Hitler invaded every country he wanted to invade that couldn't fight back......and Switzerland was on the list....he would have controlled their banking system you moron...... but their armed population made occupation impossible...

He didn't invade Spain. Spain had just undergone a three year civil war, she was in no condition to fight back.

He didn't invade Sweden. Sweden was a relatively weak country. Had a shitload of resources Germany wanted, too. But since they were willing to sell them, he didn't have to.

Nobody is sitting their thinking, "2AGUY is at home, polishing his guns! We'd better not do anything".

I mean, the neighbors are probably terrified.. but the government isn't.

Moron, by the time he was involved in France and Russia, we were entering the war....he was previously occupied...you dope.....he was also in Africa, of all places.......Switzerland with its banks were right there....and he didn't attack though he hated them......

He didn't attack Switzerland because of geographical reasons...

 

[2aguy]

No, moron...once he defeated the weak armies of those countries the civilians were helpless......because they had no guns.

Hitler invaded every country he wanted to invade that couldn't fight back......and Switzerland was on the list....he would have controlled their banking system you moron...... but their armed population made occupation impossible...

He didn't invade Spain. Spain had just undergone a three year civil war, she was in no condition to fight back.

He didn't invade Sweden. Sweden was a relatively weak country. Had a shitload of resources Germany wanted, too. But since they were willing to sell them, he didn't have to.

Nobody is sitting their thinking, "2AGUY is at home, polishing his guns! We'd better not do anything".

I mean, the neighbors are probably terrified.. but the government isn't.

Moron, by the time he was involved in France and Russia, we were entering the war....he was previously occupied...you dope.....he was also in Africa, of all places.......Switzerland with its banks were right there....and he didn't attack though he hated them......

He didn't attack Switzerland because of geographical reasons...

Wrong......I showed you the historian......

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.

 

[candycorn]

So the guy selling the gun out of his trunk has to do a background check on the person buying it?

No, moron, not if it is his private property....... but the criminal knows that they can't buy, own or carry a gun, and when caught with the gun, can already be arrested and convicted for it.....we already have this covered.

12 mass public shootings in 2018...... 93 killed.

12 crazy people out of 320 million....

Knives kill over 1,500 people every year...

Bees, Wasps, Dogs, Lawn mowers kill more people every year than mass shooters do....

Do you want to ban dogs? Since they are deadlier than guns used in mass public shootings?

Afraid of Snakes? Wasps and Dogs Are Deadlier

Of the 1,610 people killed in encounters with animals between 2008 and 2015,

478 were killed by hornets, wasps and bees,

and 272 by dogs, according to a study published in Wilderness & Environmental Medicine. Snakes, spiders and scorpions were responsible for 99 deaths over the eight years.

Thanks for confirming you were lying earlier. We all knew it but it was good to hear you admit it.

So there is no law against mentally ill people to buy guns in the parking lot of a store that refused to sell the whack job the gun in the first place. Thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully you’ll try to be more honest in the future but we both know you’re not capable.

We need to close that loophole and do background checks on anyone buying a firearm.

It’s that simple.

I’m really perplexed at the burning desire you have to avoid background checks. It seems as though the only ones who would have a problem with someone else passing one is if they too were mentally incompetent and crazy.

Moron...... it is against the law for someone who fails a background check to buy a gun from anyone ....you doofus. There is no loophole...if you fail a background check you already know you can't buy, own or carry a gun.....no loophole.

Since Background checks have already failed over and over again....and criminals avoid them by using straw buyers, people who can pass any background check, and mass public shooters pass background checks or get their guns illegally....

You can't show any benefit to background checks.......

They violate the 2nd Amendment, the 4th Amendment, and the 5th Amendment.....but as a fascist, you don't care about individual human Rights...those mass graves gotta be filled....

Its also against the law to shoot people for no reason.
Yet it happens.

So by your logic, we shouldn’t have laws against shooting people.

We need to have every gun sale go through the same rigorous (however you define rigorous) background checks that are done in retail establishments. If they are so frilvilous and won’t keep your fellow paranoid whack jobs and Islamic terrorists in sleeper cells from buying as many guns as they or their Mullahs can afford….why do you care that they are done?

So by your logic, we shouldn’t have laws against shooting people


That stupid argument...again....really? Doofus...laws don't stop crime, they define legal and illegal behavior and set the punishment for illegal behavior. You want to Pre-Crime normal people who own guns while not doing anything to actually stop gun criminals....and then, since you support democrats, you want to let repeat gun offenders out of prison where they will then go on to get more illegal guns and shoot people....you are the problem, not me.

And it has been found out the guy who sold the gun to the Odessa shooter did so illegally, which now means your call for "rigorous" background checks wouldn't have happened because he was selling the gun illegally already....you dumb doofus. This guy selling illegal guns would not have done any background check...you doofus....because he was already willling to sell the gun, knowingly, illegally.....you doofus.

I care because they keep normal people from getting guns........ universal background checks for private, legal sales will cost normal people more money for background checks criminals won't do.....

Also, the background check laws are now designed to make criminals out of normal gun owners....you doofus...

Gun Control Won't Stop Crime

“Universal” Background Checks
Part of the genius of the Bloomberg gun control system is how it creates prohibitions indirectly. Bloomberg’s so-called “universal” background check scheme is a prime example. These bills are never just about having background checks on the private sales of firearms. That aspect is the part that the public is told about. Yet when you read the Bloomberg laws, you find that checks on private sales are the tip of a very large iceberg of gun prohibition.

First, the bills criminalize a vast amount of innocent activity. Suppose you are an nra Certified Instructor teaching an introductory safety class. Under your supervision, students will handle a variety of unloaded firearms. They will learn how different guns have different safeties, and they will learn the safe way to hand a firearm to another person. But thanks to Bloomberg, these classroom firearm lessons are now illegal in Washington state, unless the class takes place at a shooting range.

It’s now also illegal to lend a gun to your friend, so that you can shoot together at a range on your own property. Or to lend a firearm for a week to your neighbor who is being stalked.

Under the Bloomberg system, gun loans are generally forbidden, unless the gun owner and the borrower both go to a gun store first. The store must process the loan as if the store were selling the gun out of its inventory.

Then, when your friend wants to return your gun to you, both of you must go to the gun store again. This time, the store will process that transaction as if you were buying the gun from the store’s inventory. For both the loan and the return of the gun, you will have to pay whatever fees the store charges, and whatever fees the government might charge. The gun store will have to keep a permanent record of you, your friend and the gun, including the gun’s serial number. Depending on the state or city, the government might also keep a permanent record.

In other words, the “background check” law is really a law to expand gun registration—and registration lists are used for confiscation. Consider New York City. In 1967, violent crime in the city was out of control. So the City Council and Mayor John Lindsay required registration of all long guns. The criminals, obviously, did not comply. Thanks to the 1911 Sullivan Act, New York City already had established registration lists for handgun owners.

Then, in 1991, the City Council decided that many lawfully registered firearms were now illegal “assault weapons.” The New York Police Department used the registration lists to ensure that the guns were either surrendered to the government or moved out of the city. When he was mayor of New York City, Bloomberg did the same, after the “assault weapon” law was expanded to cover any rifle or shotgun with an ammunition capacity greater than five rounds.

In Australia and Great Britain—which are often cited as models for the U.S. to follow—registration lists were used for gun confiscation. In Great Britain, this included all handguns; in Australia, handguns over .38 caliber. Both countries banned all semi-automatic or pump-action long guns.

Most American jurisdictions don’t have a comprehensive gun registration system. But even if your state legislature has outlawed gun registration, firearm stores must keep records. Those records could be harvested for future confiscations. Under the Bloomberg system, the store’s list would include not just the guns that the store actually sold, but all the guns (and their owners) that the store processed, for friends or relatives borrowing guns.

Thanks for proving my point...again

 

[Lewdog]

No, moron...once he defeated the weak armies of those countries the civilians were helpless......because they had no guns.

Hitler invaded every country he wanted to invade that couldn't fight back......and Switzerland was on the list....he would have controlled their banking system you moron...... but their armed population made occupation impossible...

He didn't invade Spain. Spain had just undergone a three year civil war, she was in no condition to fight back.

He didn't invade Sweden. Sweden was a relatively weak country. Had a shitload of resources Germany wanted, too. But since they were willing to sell them, he didn't have to.

Nobody is sitting their thinking, "2AGUY is at home, polishing his guns! We'd better not do anything".

I mean, the neighbors are probably terrified.. but the government isn't.

Moron, by the time he was involved in France and Russia, we were entering the war....he was previously occupied...you dope.....he was also in Africa, of all places.......Switzerland with its banks were right there....and he didn't attack though he hated them......

He didn't attack Switzerland because of geographical reasons...

Wrong......I showed you the historian......

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.

Wrong. They didn't attack Switzerland because of its geographic position and Switzerland put explosives on all the bridges, train lines, etc. You should read more history than just cut and pasting NRA talking points.

 

[2aguy]

No, moron...once he defeated the weak armies of those countries the civilians were helpless......because they had no guns.

Hitler invaded every country he wanted to invade that couldn't fight back......and Switzerland was on the list....he would have controlled their banking system you moron...... but their armed population made occupation impossible...

He didn't invade Spain. Spain had just undergone a three year civil war, she was in no condition to fight back.

He didn't invade Sweden. Sweden was a relatively weak country. Had a shitload of resources Germany wanted, too. But since they were willing to sell them, he didn't have to.

Nobody is sitting their thinking, "2AGUY is at home, polishing his guns! We'd better not do anything".

I mean, the neighbors are probably terrified.. but the government isn't.

Moron, by the time he was involved in France and Russia, we were entering the war....he was previously occupied...you dope.....he was also in Africa, of all places.......Switzerland with its banks were right there....and he didn't attack though he hated them......

He didn't attack Switzerland because of geographical reasons...

Wrong......I showed you the historian......

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.

Wrong. They didn't attack Switzerland because of its geographic position and Switzerland put explosives on all the bridges, train lines, etc. You should read more history than just cut and pasting NRA talking points.

Dumb shit, that link is from F*****g PBS you moron.......PBS.........

Wow....they rigged the bridges with explosives......I guess the Germans didn't have engineers who might have known how to un rig the explosives....one thing the Germans aren't known for is their Engineers...right?

 

[Lewdog]

He didn't invade Spain. Spain had just undergone a three year civil war, she was in no condition to fight back.

He didn't invade Sweden. Sweden was a relatively weak country. Had a shitload of resources Germany wanted, too. But since they were willing to sell them, he didn't have to.

Nobody is sitting their thinking, "2AGUY is at home, polishing his guns! We'd better not do anything".

I mean, the neighbors are probably terrified.. but the government isn't.

Moron, by the time he was involved in France and Russia, we were entering the war....he was previously occupied...you dope.....he was also in Africa, of all places.......Switzerland with its banks were right there....and he didn't attack though he hated them......

He didn't attack Switzerland because of geographical reasons...

Wrong......I showed you the historian......

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.

Wrong. They didn't attack Switzerland because of its geographic position and Switzerland put explosives on all the bridges, train lines, etc. You should read more history than just cut and pasting NRA talking points.

Dumb shit, that link is from F*****g PBS you moron.......PBS.........

Wow....they rigged the bridges with explosives......I guess the Germans didn't have engineers who might have known how to un rig the explosives....one thing the Germans aren't known for is their Engineers...right?

I don't give a **** where the are from, they are wrong. Since when do YOU believe a link from PBS?

Holy shit you are dense... The Swiss would see the Germans coming and blow up the bridges and train tracks before they got there... Thank you for proving just how dumb you are.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron, by the time he was involved in France and Russia, we were entering the war....he was previously occupied...you dope.....he was also in Africa, of all places.......Switzerland with its banks were right there....and he didn't attack though he hated them......

He didn't attack them because there was no benefit TO attacking them.

Even though Hitler was a crazy person, he had lots of generals around him that told him what was and wasn't a good idea.

There was no tactical advantage to invading Switzerland. Germany and Italy already had it surrounded.

The Axis also didn't invade Monaco. Do you think they were really afraid of Monaco's gun owners?

The Swiss also kind of caved to Germany's demands. After 1940, they didn't shoot down Axis aircraft that violated their airspace... they refused to give asylum to Jews fleeing the SS. and of course, they happily laundered and stored the money the Nazis were looting from the rest of Europe, a lot of which they kept.

 

[Rustic]

So far every mass shooter in the last ten years has been found to be a maniac but the radical left want's to take guns away from NRA skeet shooters. TDS is a serious mental illness.

But that's the point. The NRA made it easy for the maniacs to get military grade weapons, which they didn't have access to when we had the Assault Weapons ban in effect.

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[2aguy]

Moron, by the time he was involved in France and Russia, we were entering the war....he was previously occupied...you dope.....he was also in Africa, of all places.......Switzerland with its banks were right there....and he didn't attack though he hated them......

He didn't attack Switzerland because of geographical reasons...

Wrong......I showed you the historian......

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS



That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"



The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.



The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.



Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.



While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.

Wrong. They didn't attack Switzerland because of its geographic position and Switzerland put explosives on all the bridges, train lines, etc. You should read more history than just cut and pasting NRA talking points.

Dumb shit, that link is from F*****g PBS you moron.......PBS.........

Wow....they rigged the bridges with explosives......I guess the Germans didn't have engineers who might have known how to un rig the explosives....one thing the Germans aren't known for is their Engineers...right?

I don't give a **** where the are from, they are wrong. Since when do YOU believe a link from PBS?

Holy shit you are dense... The Swiss would see the Germans coming and blow up the bridges and train tracks before they got there... Thank you for proving just how dumb you are.

Ever hear of the paratrooper dipshit? The Blizkrieg?

You are an idiot....

 

[Rustic]

No moron......the fear came from hell hole cities around the country as the "Great Society" destroyed Black families in democrat controlled voting districts......crime was through the roof, you moron...which is one of the reasons the Movie Dirty Harry was made, it was a reaction to the violent crime epidemic that ran through the 1990s.......remember Miami, the drug gang shootouts....?

Wow, guy, you are citing a racist movie as an excuse for gun maniacs running around with guns.

Here's the thing. If it were poor black kids running around shooting up theaters and schools and WalMarts, we'd have banned guns by now.

Check your White Privilege, buddy.

Lol
Spineless motherfuckers like yourself have no idea what real racism is, as an Minority I don’t see any real racism from day to day.
It’s best if you stay in seclusion in your mothers basement

 

[JoeB131]

Ever hear of the paratrooper dipshit? The Blizkrieg?

You are an idiot....

given the Swiss gave the Nazis everything they wanted, why would they invade?

 

[Rustic]

We already have laws on the books that will arrest straw buyers providing guns to criminals...why aren't they enforced...because when the baby momma is on the stand stating her baby daddy, gang banger boyfriend threatened to beat her if she didn't get him the gun, juries tend not to convict and prosecutors don't go forward with those cases.....

We already capture straw buyers using current law enforcement techniques....the problem is they refuse to prosecute straw buyers...real straw buyers....

One more time. We lock up 2 million people. We don't have enough room in the jails for the real criminals, much less the people you want to lock up to try to put a boot on the necks of people of color.

I promise you, this guy didn't get his gun from an abused baby mama. He got his gun from some private seller working out of his house.

Lol
Execute violent criminals problem solved

 

[2aguy]

Ever hear of the paratrooper dipshit? The Blizkrieg?

You are an idiot....

given the Swiss gave the Nazis everything they wanted, why would they invade?

Because the socialists, in particular hitler wanted control......you moron. But as the link states, the cost to actually occupying Switzerland with it's 435,000 armed citizens....who had actual military rifles ...... was too high to be effective...

 

[Rustic]

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...
The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

Well people will be registering their guns.

Lol
**** face, Firearm registration is unconstitutional. It’s the same thing as firearm confiscation

 

[Rustic]

Yep... if they make it mandatory that there are background checks even for private sales, and people sell them anyway and idiots go out and kill a bunch of people...
The first seller that gets life in prison for accessory to an act of domestic terrorism, guess what? People will quit doing that shit.

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

Well people will be registering their guns.

Ah... there you go.
Universal background checks are a vehicle for universal gun registration.
No one wonders why you want universal registration.

You have to register your car. Why are you complaining about having to register your gun? When someone complains about how many people are killed by guns... the argument then always goes to the number of people killed by cars. Well cars are registered and the cops know who was driving the car when they kill people with it. Do you have a problem with the cops knowing who killed someone with a gun?

Lol
Take your cars and shove them up your ******* ass you spineless ************, No one has a right to vehicle ownership you sorry ass ****

 

[Rustic]

Ah... there you go.
Universal background checks are a vehicle for universal gun registration.
No one wonders why you want universal registration.

You have to register your car. Why are you complaining about having to register your gun? When someone complains about how many people are killed by guns... the argument then always goes to the number of people killed by cars. Well cars are registered and the cops know who was driving the car when they kill people with it. Do you have a problem with the cops knowing who killed someone with a gun?

You can go register yours " Moon bat"! The government has no need to invade the privacy of Law abiding citizens. Go invade the privacy of known criminals who get guns illegally, and make the penalty for illegal possession or use so severe it will deter the violence on it's own.

Why do you have no problem registering your car? I bet you have no idea how much the government already knows about you. If you aren't going to shoot up a School, Walmart, or festival why do you have a problem with people registering their guns?

Do you understand that if they pass background checks... that means they will essentially KNOW the people that own guns the same as having guns registered?

Yes...you moron...we know this...which is why we oppose it, you dumb ass....... universal background checks are the Trojan Horse for gun registration....

You oppose more background checks so that the government doesn't know who has guns...

You are such a ******* sociopath. You don't give a flying **** if some nut job can buy a long rifle with a 100 round drum and kill 22 people in 32 seconds, because you don't want the government to know you own any guns.

Way to have your priorities in order. Enjoy that air conditioner in hell.

Firearm ownership is none of ******* federal government business

 

[Rustic]

How will the state prove the seller sold the gun?

Well people will be registering their guns.

Ah... there you go.
Universal background checks are a vehicle for universal gun registration.
No one wonders why you want universal registration.

You have to register your car. Why are you complaining about having to register your gun?

You only have to register your car f you drive it on the roads, and there's no demonstrable necessity for the state to know who owns what gun.

Most people drive their cars on roads, and to do so you have to register yourself and get a driver's license.

The whole "it is a slippery slope so I don't want to do it" trope is bullcrap because the government already knows most of the stuff about most people, and most of the people who say they don't want to register their guns, actually register stuff and share their personal information all the time without even realizing it.

Lol
Firearm ownership is an absolute right less someone ***** up for themselves those other things you speak of are not rights so shut the **** up you spineless ************

 

[Rustic]

Ah... there you go.
Universal background checks are a vehicle for universal gun registration.
No one wonders why you want universal registration.

You have to register your car. Why are you complaining about having to register your gun?

You only have to register your car f you drive it on the roads, and there's no demonstrable necessity for the state to know who owns what gun.

Most people drive their cars on roads....

Nothing here addresses the salient point:
There's no demonstrable necessity for the state to know who owns what gun.

Sure there is. Ask the families of the people killed in Dayton, El Paso, Las Vegas, Orlando, Sandy Hook, Charleston,... I could go on and on. It's a way to catch people that slip through the cracks like the guy in Texas who shouldn't have had his guns after his discharge from the military. Unfortunately the military was so backed up he wasn't put on the list and he passed the background check and then got the guns to shoot up the church.

So tell me again, why does it matter? Do you REALLY think the are going to go door to door and start taking your guns? Do you realize that if they wanted to, and that was the government's goal, they could just go door to door and search people's houses and take their guns NOW without you having all your guns registered. There is not a single reason you can give that would be negative enough to the issue of registering guns to outweigh the positives of registering them.

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Only ***** whipped bitches trust the federal government,
First of all the government would never have the personal personnel to go door to door you ******* retard

 

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You have the right to bear arms. It does not say the government does not have the right to know if you own any guns. Feel free to show me where I'm wrong.

Easy peasy.
There's no demonstrable necessity for the state to have on record the owner of every gun in the US; as such, the requirement that people register their guns is an unnecessary restriction - that is, an infringement - on their right to keep and bear arms.
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

You saying there is no reason, does not make it so... and people having people register their guns does not infringe on anyone's rights to own them. Do you know what registration means?

It means confiscation, so shut the **** up

 

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You only have to register your car f you drive it on the roads, and there's no demonstrable necessity for the state to know who owns what gun.

Most people drive their cars on roads, and to do so you have to register yourself and get a driver's license.

The whole "it is a slippery slope so I don't want to do it" trope is bullcrap because the government already knows most of the stuff about most people, and most of the people who say they don't want to register their guns, actually register stuff and share their personal information all the time without even realizing it.

It doesn't matter. The 2nd Amendment is a check on government power and abuse. Thus they have no right to know what we have.

You have the right to bear arms. It does not say the government does not have the right to know if you own any guns. Feel free to show me where I'm wrong.

"Shall not be infringed" seems to cover that assertion pretty well.

Having people register their guns is not infringing the right to bear them. IF you have the degrees and used it to make all the money you say you have, then you should understand that. Do you need me to give you the definition of registration?

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First of all the federal government has no right to know who owns what for personal firearms. Fact

Second of all no one has a right to know what anyone else owns for firearms, there’s nothing more personal than firearm ownership. Fact

Shit stains like yourself need to stay the **** out of other peoples personal lives