Obviously Trump Has Handled the ChiCom Flu Perfectly

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Dr Birx, March 30:
Dr. Birx predicts up to 200,000 U.S. coronavirus deaths 'if we do things almost perfectly'

Good thing we have a great President.

President Trump announced Sunday that the administration's guidelines on social distancing have been extended until April 30. Trump said last week that he wanted to see much of the country return to normal by Easter, April 12, despite warnings from top health experts that easing guidelines early could cause mass deaths. Now, Trump said he expects "great things to be happening" by June 1.

Birx said on Sunday that the choice to extend the guidelines had not been made lightly.
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from your article, and it was from March.
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
 

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I believe most rational people who understand respiratory viruses realize this was going to hit us no matter what we did. There is no known perfect response. It's the dempanic that will cause the lingering harm. But they'll do what they do & project it on the other side. Just gotta laugh. In their faces preferably
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
Not to mention the FACTS that he (a) LIED to us about the severity of the virus, and (b) MOCKED Americans for just trying to protect themselves and their families, and (c) maintained and nurtured a culture of denial with his flock that no doubt spread infections at his rallies, including the White House itself.

I wonder how many deaths and long term physical damage could be attributed to those actions. Maybe I don't want to know.
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
Not to mention the FACTS that he (a) LIED to us about the severity of the virus, and (b) MOCKED Americans for just trying to protect themselves and their families, and (c) maintained and nurtured a culture of denial with his flock that no doubt spread infections at his rallies, including the White House itself.

I wonder how many deaths could be attributed to those actions. Maybe I don't want to know.
a) matter of opinion, not fact.

b) people who think a mask will protect them 100% of the time deserved to be mocked.

c) it's called trying to be optimistic in re-opening the country after the viruses mortality rate continues to go lower and lover.


All the original precautions were when we were worried of a 4% perceived mortality rate being 8% or worse if we got the math wrong in that direction. Now that the true number is pushing towards less than 1% and only really an issue in compromised population, it's idiocy to keep the same attitude towards the virus we had in March-May.

A perfect example of the viruses impact on younger populations is with all the sports positives we have been getting.

How many deaths or even serious cases have been reported?

Trump is old and overweight, and he survived it easily.
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
Not to mention the FACTS that he (a) LIED to us about the severity of the virus, and (b) MOCKED Americans for just trying to protect themselves and their families, and (c) maintained and nurtured a culture of denial with his flock that no doubt spread infections at his rallies, including the White House itself.

I wonder how many deaths could be attributed to those actions. Maybe I don't want to know.
a) matter of opinion, not fact.

b) people who think a mask will protect them 100% of the time deserved to be mocked.

c) it's called trying to be optimistic in re-opening the country after the viruses mortality rate continues to go lower and lover.


All the original precautions were when we were worried of a 4% perceived mortality rate being 8% or worse if we got the math wrong in that direction. Now that the true number is pushing towards less than 1% and only really an issue in compromised population, it's idiocy to keep the same attitude towards the virus we had in March-May.

A perfect example of the viruses impact on younger populations is with all the sports positives we have been getting.

How many deaths or even serious cases have been reported?

Trump is old and overweight, and he survived it easily.
What was opinion and not fact?
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
Not to mention the FACTS that he (a) LIED to us about the severity of the virus, and (b) MOCKED Americans for just trying to protect themselves and their families, and (c) maintained and nurtured a culture of denial with his flock that no doubt spread infections at his rallies, including the White House itself.

I wonder how many deaths could be attributed to those actions. Maybe I don't want to know.
a) matter of opinion, not fact.

b) people who think a mask will protect them 100% of the time deserved to be mocked.

c) it's called trying to be optimistic in re-opening the country after the viruses mortality rate continues to go lower and lover.


All the original precautions were when we were worried of a 4% perceived mortality rate being 8% or worse if we got the math wrong in that direction. Now that the true number is pushing towards less than 1% and only really an issue in compromised population, it's idiocy to keep the same attitude towards the virus we had in March-May.

A perfect example of the viruses impact on younger populations is with all the sports positives we have been getting.

How many deaths or even serious cases have been reported?

Trump is old and overweight, and he survived it easily.
What was opinion and not fact?
Him lying about the severity of the virus. Even as of now with it trending down in mortality people like you think it's still what we were fearing in March-May.

Lying implies a telling something else when you know the hard absolute Truth.

The truth is this may have the same mortality as a bad flu by the time we have all the numbers in, we just don't know.
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
Not to mention the FACTS that he (a) LIED to us about the severity of the virus, and (b) MOCKED Americans for just trying to protect themselves and their families, and (c) maintained and nurtured a culture of denial with his flock that no doubt spread infections at his rallies, including the White House itself.

I wonder how many deaths could be attributed to those actions. Maybe I don't want to know.
a) matter of opinion, not fact.

b) people who think a mask will protect them 100% of the time deserved to be mocked.

c) it's called trying to be optimistic in re-opening the country after the viruses mortality rate continues to go lower and lover.


All the original precautions were when we were worried of a 4% perceived mortality rate being 8% or worse if we got the math wrong in that direction. Now that the true number is pushing towards less than 1% and only really an issue in compromised population, it's idiocy to keep the same attitude towards the virus we had in March-May.

A perfect example of the viruses impact on younger populations is with all the sports positives we have been getting.

How many deaths or even serious cases have been reported?

Trump is old and overweight, and he survived it easily.
What was opinion and not fact?
Him lying about the severity of the virus. Even as of now with it trending down in mortality people like you think it's still what we were fearing in March-May.

Lying implies a telling something else when you know the hard absolute Truth.

The truth is this may have the same mortality as a bad flu by the time we have all the numbers in, we just don't know.
He admitted to Woodward, twice, that he knowingly downplayed the severity and danger of the virus as it was bearing down on the country.

Clearly you and I have different standards for honesty.
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
Not to mention the FACTS that he (a) LIED to us about the severity of the virus, and (b) MOCKED Americans for just trying to protect themselves and their families, and (c) maintained and nurtured a culture of denial with his flock that no doubt spread infections at his rallies, including the White House itself.

I wonder how many deaths could be attributed to those actions. Maybe I don't want to know.
a) matter of opinion, not fact.

b) people who think a mask will protect them 100% of the time deserved to be mocked.

c) it's called trying to be optimistic in re-opening the country after the viruses mortality rate continues to go lower and lover.


All the original precautions were when we were worried of a 4% perceived mortality rate being 8% or worse if we got the math wrong in that direction. Now that the true number is pushing towards less than 1% and only really an issue in compromised population, it's idiocy to keep the same attitude towards the virus we had in March-May.

A perfect example of the viruses impact on younger populations is with all the sports positives we have been getting.

How many deaths or even serious cases have been reported?

Trump is old and overweight, and he survived it easily.
What was opinion and not fact?
Him lying about the severity of the virus. Even as of now with it trending down in mortality people like you think it's still what we were fearing in March-May.

Lying implies a telling something else when you know the hard absolute Truth.

The truth is this may have the same mortality as a bad flu by the time we have all the numbers in, we just don't know.
He admitted to Woodward, twice, that he knowingly downplayed the severity and danger of the virus as it was bearing down on the country.

Clearly you and I have different standards for honesty.
Downplaying is not lying.

And what would you have him do? up-play the severity and have people cowering in their homes?
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
Not to mention the FACTS that he (a) LIED to us about the severity of the virus, and (b) MOCKED Americans for just trying to protect themselves and their families, and (c) maintained and nurtured a culture of denial with his flock that no doubt spread infections at his rallies, including the White House itself.

I wonder how many deaths could be attributed to those actions. Maybe I don't want to know.
a) matter of opinion, not fact.

b) people who think a mask will protect them 100% of the time deserved to be mocked.

c) it's called trying to be optimistic in re-opening the country after the viruses mortality rate continues to go lower and lover.


All the original precautions were when we were worried of a 4% perceived mortality rate being 8% or worse if we got the math wrong in that direction. Now that the true number is pushing towards less than 1% and only really an issue in compromised population, it's idiocy to keep the same attitude towards the virus we had in March-May.

A perfect example of the viruses impact on younger populations is with all the sports positives we have been getting.

How many deaths or even serious cases have been reported?

Trump is old and overweight, and he survived it easily.
What was opinion and not fact?
Him lying about the severity of the virus. Even as of now with it trending down in mortality people like you think it's still what we were fearing in March-May.

Lying implies a telling something else when you know the hard absolute Truth.

The truth is this may have the same mortality as a bad flu by the time we have all the numbers in, we just don't know.
He admitted to Woodward, twice, that he knowingly downplayed the severity and danger of the virus as it was bearing down on the country.

Clearly you and I have different standards for honesty.
Downplaying is not lying.

And what would you have him do? up-play the severity and have people cowering in their homes?
Can you think of any options besides downplaying it and up-playing it?

How about just straightforward honesty?
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
Not to mention the FACTS that he (a) LIED to us about the severity of the virus, and (b) MOCKED Americans for just trying to protect themselves and their families, and (c) maintained and nurtured a culture of denial with his flock that no doubt spread infections at his rallies, including the White House itself.

I wonder how many deaths could be attributed to those actions. Maybe I don't want to know.
a) matter of opinion, not fact.

b) people who think a mask will protect them 100% of the time deserved to be mocked.

c) it's called trying to be optimistic in re-opening the country after the viruses mortality rate continues to go lower and lover.


All the original precautions were when we were worried of a 4% perceived mortality rate being 8% or worse if we got the math wrong in that direction. Now that the true number is pushing towards less than 1% and only really an issue in compromised population, it's idiocy to keep the same attitude towards the virus we had in March-May.

A perfect example of the viruses impact on younger populations is with all the sports positives we have been getting.

How many deaths or even serious cases have been reported?

Trump is old and overweight, and he survived it easily.
What was opinion and not fact?
Him lying about the severity of the virus. Even as of now with it trending down in mortality people like you think it's still what we were fearing in March-May.

Lying implies a telling something else when you know the hard absolute Truth.

The truth is this may have the same mortality as a bad flu by the time we have all the numbers in, we just don't know.
He admitted to Woodward, twice, that he knowingly downplayed the severity and danger of the virus as it was bearing down on the country.

Clearly you and I have different standards for honesty.
Downplaying is not lying.

And what would you have him do? up-play the severity and have people cowering in their homes?
Can you think of any options besides downplaying it and up-playing it?

How about just straightforward honesty?
Kind of like how they first said masks were not needed because they were worried about shortages with med staff, then said everyone has to wear one?

Like the first 2 months were all about flattening the curve, which was flattened, but local progressive governments still think ruining economies is the only way to fight this?

Like saying we can't go to church, but lefty protests with 10x the people are A-OK?

Like gyms are all closed! (except for government ones, but we are keeping that quiet)

It's amazing how you expect perfect honesty from Trump while ignoring all the other obscuring going on.
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
You don't believe that.
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
Not to mention the FACTS that he (a) LIED to us about the severity of the virus, and (b) MOCKED Americans for just trying to protect themselves and their families, and (c) maintained and nurtured a culture of denial with his flock that no doubt spread infections at his rallies, including the White House itself.

I wonder how many deaths could be attributed to those actions. Maybe I don't want to know.
a) matter of opinion, not fact.

b) people who think a mask will protect them 100% of the time deserved to be mocked.

c) it's called trying to be optimistic in re-opening the country after the viruses mortality rate continues to go lower and lover.


All the original precautions were when we were worried of a 4% perceived mortality rate being 8% or worse if we got the math wrong in that direction. Now that the true number is pushing towards less than 1% and only really an issue in compromised population, it's idiocy to keep the same attitude towards the virus we had in March-May.

A perfect example of the viruses impact on younger populations is with all the sports positives we have been getting.

How many deaths or even serious cases have been reported?

Trump is old and overweight, and he survived it easily.
What was opinion and not fact?
Him lying about the severity of the virus. Even as of now with it trending down in mortality people like you think it's still what we were fearing in March-May.

Lying implies a telling something else when you know the hard absolute Truth.

The truth is this may have the same mortality as a bad flu by the time we have all the numbers in, we just don't know.
He admitted to Woodward, twice, that he knowingly downplayed the severity and danger of the virus as it was bearing down on the country.

Clearly you and I have different standards for honesty.
Downplaying is not lying.

And what would you have him do? up-play the severity and have people cowering in their homes?
Can you think of any options besides downplaying it and up-playing it?

How about just straightforward honesty?
Kind of like how they first said masks were not needed because they were worried about shortages with med staff, then said everyone has to wear one?

Like the first 2 months were all about flattening the curve, which was flattened, but local progressive governments still think ruining economies is the only way to fight this?

Like saying we can't go to church, but lefty protests with 10x the people are A-OK?

Like gyms are all closed! (except for government ones, but we are keeping that quiet)

It's amazing how you expect perfect honesty from Trump while ignoring all the other obscuring going on.
I prefer to hold people accountable for their own actions and honesty.

Changing the subject to others, is just changing the subject to others.
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
Not to mention the FACTS that he (a) LIED to us about the severity of the virus, and (b) MOCKED Americans for just trying to protect themselves and their families, and (c) maintained and nurtured a culture of denial with his flock that no doubt spread infections at his rallies, including the White House itself.

I wonder how many deaths could be attributed to those actions. Maybe I don't want to know.
a) matter of opinion, not fact.

b) people who think a mask will protect them 100% of the time deserved to be mocked.

c) it's called trying to be optimistic in re-opening the country after the viruses mortality rate continues to go lower and lover.


All the original precautions were when we were worried of a 4% perceived mortality rate being 8% or worse if we got the math wrong in that direction. Now that the true number is pushing towards less than 1% and only really an issue in compromised population, it's idiocy to keep the same attitude towards the virus we had in March-May.

A perfect example of the viruses impact on younger populations is with all the sports positives we have been getting.

How many deaths or even serious cases have been reported?

Trump is old and overweight, and he survived it easily.
What was opinion and not fact?
Him lying about the severity of the virus. Even as of now with it trending down in mortality people like you think it's still what we were fearing in March-May.

Lying implies a telling something else when you know the hard absolute Truth.

The truth is this may have the same mortality as a bad flu by the time we have all the numbers in, we just don't know.
He admitted to Woodward, twice, that he knowingly downplayed the severity and danger of the virus as it was bearing down on the country.

Clearly you and I have different standards for honesty.
Downplaying is not lying.

And what would you have him do? up-play the severity and have people cowering in their homes?
Can you think of any options besides downplaying it and up-playing it?

How about just straightforward honesty?
Kind of like how they first said masks were not needed because they were worried about shortages with med staff, then said everyone has to wear one?

Like the first 2 months were all about flattening the curve, which was flattened, but local progressive governments still think ruining economies is the only way to fight this?

Like saying we can't go to church, but lefty protests with 10x the people are A-OK?

Like gyms are all closed! (except for government ones, but we are keeping that quiet)

It's amazing how you expect perfect honesty from Trump while ignoring all the other obscuring going on.
I prefer to hold people accountable for their own actions and honesty.

Changing the subject to others, is just changing the subject to others.
Trump probably honestly believes overreacting to the virus is more of a threat to our country than underreacting at this point. The downward trend in mortality is probably one factor in his favor, as well as his own survival and the obvious low impact cases in the sports world among a population we expect low impacts in.

Again you not believing the same thing doesn't make it lying.

Now the mask thing is far closer to actual lying, but it was lying with a purpose, i.e. trying to prevent a run on masks when production wasn't even high enough to cover 1st responders and medical staff.
 

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This what you're hanging your hat on in the 11th hour? LOL.
You do realize that by March 30th, the pandemic had already been here and spreading for almost two months?
Trump did nothing up until the afternoon of March 13th when he was sidelined by the adults.
Just think if we had a competent President how many of those 210K lives could have been saved? How our infection numbers could have been much lower.
Good thing he's on his way out! :)
And you really think that dementia Biden would have done better when he called the President xenophobic for limiting air travel? That Pelosi walking downtown begging others to come join her was helping?
That Democrats putting virus positive in with old folks helped?
you mean when Fauci claimed that Trump followed his recommendations on shutting down air travel?

Have to hand it to you fools. Ifalternate reality were a thing you idiots would be king
Yes. I do think Biden would have done better. As would have Clinton. As would have Rubio, Cruz, and Bush. Do you know why? Because these people are all seasoned politicians who despite having their ideological differences, all share one thing in common. They know how government works, how it is supposed to work, and what the proper response to mobilizing the correct agencies into action would be. They would have surrounded themselves with competent individuals to aid and advise them. Compare that to the reality TV show host who backed into the Presidency, listens only to himself, and then surrounded himself with the worst of the worst who promptly set about dismantling the very agencies that could have assisted with the outbreak. See the difference? You other two points are recycled right wing talking points. They've been addressed adnauseum.

The only people living in an alternate reality are you right wing deniers, hoaxers, and enablers (of Trump).
I've never seen a class of people bend down and worship a politician who has done absolutely NOTHING.
Not to mention the FACTS that he (a) LIED to us about the severity of the virus, and (b) MOCKED Americans for just trying to protect themselves and their families, and (c) maintained and nurtured a culture of denial with his flock that no doubt spread infections at his rallies, including the White House itself.

I wonder how many deaths could be attributed to those actions. Maybe I don't want to know.
a) matter of opinion, not fact.

b) people who think a mask will protect them 100% of the time deserved to be mocked.

c) it's called trying to be optimistic in re-opening the country after the viruses mortality rate continues to go lower and lover.


All the original precautions were when we were worried of a 4% perceived mortality rate being 8% or worse if we got the math wrong in that direction. Now that the true number is pushing towards less than 1% and only really an issue in compromised population, it's idiocy to keep the same attitude towards the virus we had in March-May.

A perfect example of the viruses impact on younger populations is with all the sports positives we have been getting.

How many deaths or even serious cases have been reported?

Trump is old and overweight, and he survived it easily.
What was opinion and not fact?
Him lying about the severity of the virus. Even as of now with it trending down in mortality people like you think it's still what we were fearing in March-May.

Lying implies a telling something else when you know the hard absolute Truth.

The truth is this may have the same mortality as a bad flu by the time we have all the numbers in, we just don't know.
He admitted to Woodward, twice, that he knowingly downplayed the severity and danger of the virus as it was bearing down on the country.

Clearly you and I have different standards for honesty.
Downplaying is not lying.

And what would you have him do? up-play the severity and have people cowering in their homes?
Can you think of any options besides downplaying it and up-playing it?

How about just straightforward honesty?
Kind of like how they first said masks were not needed because they were worried about shortages with med staff, then said everyone has to wear one?

Like the first 2 months were all about flattening the curve, which was flattened, but local progressive governments still think ruining economies is the only way to fight this?

Like saying we can't go to church, but lefty protests with 10x the people are A-OK?

Like gyms are all closed! (except for government ones, but we are keeping that quiet)

It's amazing how you expect perfect honesty from Trump while ignoring all the other obscuring going on.
I prefer to hold people accountable for their own actions and honesty.

Changing the subject to others, is just changing the subject to others.
Trump probably honestly believes overreacting to the virus is more of a threat to our country than underreacting at this point. The downward trend in mortality is probably one factor in his favor, as well as his own survival and the obvious low impact cases in the sports world among a population we expect low impacts in.

Again you not believing the same thing doesn't make it lying.

Now the mask thing is far closer to actual lying, but it was lying with a purpose, i.e. trying to prevent a run on masks when production wasn't even high enough to cover 1st responders and medical staff.
As I said, we have different standards.
 

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