Obscene Apologies

[PoliticalChic]

Also, PC, the pastor isn't the victim in this scenario. So your analogy is doubly stupid. The victims are basically innocent people that were trying to do their jobs.

If the pastor wasn't such an evil fuck they'd be having lunch right about now instead of funeral services.

Did you notice how I avoid terms like 'doubly stupid' in my posts?

You might take a lesson from that.

I notice how quickly you back away from your silly assertions and change the subject.

I didn't 'back away,' I merely pointed out how obtuse you are, and, in another post, how rude.

I'm sure I'm not the first to do so.

 

[Wry Catcher]

In this country it is acceptable to burn the flag but not acceptable to burn a copy of the Koran... I find this amazing. No, I find it pretty stupid.

It's not acceptable to do either, it is legal to do both. It's unfortunate clerics and pastors, priests and rabbis, et al men of religion are not held to a higher standard. Terry Jones is no pastor, he's an asshole.

 

[rightwinger]

Take a gander at Michael Walsh's response to the savages who killed the UN workers, and see if you agree with him:

1. Noel Coward penned a little ditty called "Don't Let's Be Beastly to the Germans."
It was, he explained, "a satire directed against a small minority of excessive humanitarians, who, in my opinion, were taking a rather too tolerant view of our enemies."

2. Over in Afghanistan, a mob of howling savages, whipped up by our "ally," kleptocratic President Hamid Karzai, has been rioting for nearly a week over the burning of a Koran by an obscure pastor in Florida. More than 20 have died, including two US soldiers...

3. In a series of disgraceful statements, Sens. Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham, along with Gen. David Petraeus, have laid the blame for the unrest where it doesn't belong: at the feet of the US Constitution.

4. This is jaw-dropping in its ignorance and stupidity. Graham is arguing against freedom of speech -- why else should an American citizen exercising his First Amendment rights, however offensive to some, be "held accountable" for the reactions of superstitious goatherds half a world away?

5. But the prize for disappointment goes to Petraeus and NATO Ambassador Mark Sedwill, whose statement read in part: "In view of the events of recent days, we feel it is important . . . to reiterate our condemnation of any disrespect to the Holy Koran and the Muslim faith. We condemn, in particular, the action of an individual in the United States who recently burned the Holy Koran.

"We further hope the Afghan people understand that the actions of a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the Holy Koran, are not representative of any of the countries of the international community who are in Afghanistan to help the Afghan people."

6. ...we are instead apologizing to the very people who are killing American soldiers, and treating their holy book better than we do any other.

7. World War II ended with the destruction of German cities, the death of Hitler, the hanging of the top surviving Nazis at Nuremberg. In Japan, Gen. Douglas MacArthur forced Emperor Hirohito to publicly renounce the myth of his own divinity and the Japanese doctrine of racial superiority.

But don't let's be beastly to the Islamists. After all, restricting the rights of our own citizens in order to appease people still living in the 7th century isn't much of a price to pay for peace, is it?

Let's be meek to them

And turn the other cheek to them

And try to bring out their latent sense of fun.

Let's give them full air parity

And treat the rats with charity,

But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.

Politicians appease Islamists--Michael A. Walsh - NYPOST.com

I'm sorry

 

[PoliticalChic]

Take a gander at Michael Walsh's response to the savages who killed the UN workers, and see if you agree with him:

1. Noel Coward penned a little ditty called "Don't Let's Be Beastly to the Germans."
It was, he explained, "a satire directed against a small minority of excessive humanitarians, who, in my opinion, were taking a rather too tolerant view of our enemies."

2. Over in Afghanistan, a mob of howling savages, whipped up by our "ally," kleptocratic President Hamid Karzai, has been rioting for nearly a week over the burning of a Koran by an obscure pastor in Florida. More than 20 have died, including two US soldiers...

3. In a series of disgraceful statements, Sens. Harry Reid and Lindsey Graham, along with Gen. David Petraeus, have laid the blame for the unrest where it doesn't belong: at the feet of the US Constitution.

4. This is jaw-dropping in its ignorance and stupidity. Graham is arguing against freedom of speech -- why else should an American citizen exercising his First Amendment rights, however offensive to some, be "held accountable" for the reactions of superstitious goatherds half a world away?

5. But the prize for disappointment goes to Petraeus and NATO Ambassador Mark Sedwill, whose statement read in part: "In view of the events of recent days, we feel it is important . . . to reiterate our condemnation of any disrespect to the Holy Koran and the Muslim faith. We condemn, in particular, the action of an individual in the United States who recently burned the Holy Koran.

"We further hope the Afghan people understand that the actions of a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the Holy Koran, are not representative of any of the countries of the international community who are in Afghanistan to help the Afghan people."

6. ...we are instead apologizing to the very people who are killing American soldiers, and treating their holy book better than we do any other.

7. World War II ended with the destruction of German cities, the death of Hitler, the hanging of the top surviving Nazis at Nuremberg. In Japan, Gen. Douglas MacArthur forced Emperor Hirohito to publicly renounce the myth of his own divinity and the Japanese doctrine of racial superiority.

But don't let's be beastly to the Islamists. After all, restricting the rights of our own citizens in order to appease people still living in the 7th century isn't much of a price to pay for peace, is it?

Let's be meek to them

And turn the other cheek to them

And try to bring out their latent sense of fun.

Let's give them full air parity

And treat the rats with charity,

But don't let's be beastly to the Hun.

Politicians appease Islamists--Michael A. Walsh - NYPOST.com

I'm sorry

OMG....you're still apologizing for the Dresden fire bombing???

 

[Ravi]

Did you notice how I avoid terms like 'doubly stupid' in my posts?

You might take a lesson from that.

I notice how quickly you back away from your silly assertions and change the subject.

I didn't 'back away,' I merely pointed out how obtuse you are, and, in another post, how rude.

I'm sure I'm not the first to do so.

You likened the pastor to a woman wearing a mini-skirt, saying blaming the pastor for his actions was like blaming a rape victim. The pastor isn't the victim. Since I pointed that out you have done nothing but flounce around in a snit.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I notice how quickly you back away from your silly assertions and change the subject.

I didn't 'back away,' I merely pointed out how obtuse you are, and, in another post, how rude.

I'm sure I'm not the first to do so.

You likened the pastor to a woman wearing a mini-skirt, saying blaming the pastor for his actions was like blaming a rape victim. The pastor isn't the victim. Since I pointed that out you have done nothing but flounce around in a snit.

The 'you have done nothing but flounce around in a snit' is nothing but a self-serving post-modernist redefinition of reality.

I've been laughing at you.

You made yourself sound silly by pretending that my analogy wasn't apt and to the point.
You claim that burning the koran forced the beasts to kill innocent folks.

My analogy is focused on the forcing of another to preform an antisocial act without having any control or even proximity to said perp.

My analysis of your behavior is that, rather than admit that you see the sense of the analogy, you'd rather pretend and imagine all sorts of things.

I've tried to save you the embarrassment, but you'd rather carry on with your liberal trope, i.e., the evil Americans, or evil religious folk, or evil anyone-but-the-real-evil-one is the guilty one....

...be my guest, but I'm perfectly satisfied to let readers of the thread judge both of our posts.

Your serve.

 

[Ravi]

You claim that burning the koran forced the beasts to kill innocent folks.

I said no such thing.

 

[Ravi]

Nor do I agree with your claim that miniskirts are to blame for rape.

 

[Foxfyre]

In my opinion, an intelligent, civilized, and decent people respects the harmless sensibilities of ALL people.

So you don't burn flags that symbolize patriotism or allegiance or patriotism to your fellow Earth beings.

You don't burn books just because you don't like their content.

You don't destroy or deface art just because you don't share its message.

You don't burn churches or synagogue or mosques or temples because you don't share the relgiion.

Such things harm us not in the the least and those who enjoy them and can do so harmlessly to others should be left in peace.

But when some idiot DOES use violent demonstration to make a point--and burning a Qu'ran would certain quality, we CAN condemn the act as stupid, offensive, and insulting.

We can condemn the act WITHOUT approving hunting down somebody, anybody, to punish as retaliation for the offense.

The act of provocatively burning a Qu/ran should be condemned for the stupid act is is.

And the deliberate and premeditated murder of innocents can NEVER be defended nor tolerated in an intelligent, civilized, and decent world.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nor do I agree with your claim that miniskirts are to blame for rape.

Now, you know that I never said that.

The fact that you have to fabricate things such as the above simply lends credence to my analysis, that you have a deathly fear of being found totally incorrect.

Your response seems so over the top in terms of the discussion that I may not have, in fact, gone far enough in my analysis.

Now, I begin to think that you see this question, i.e., the degree of culpabiliy of the pastor, as a proxy for the rectitude of liberal thinking, such that it is.

Perhaps this is the correct view: you are just as askew in your premise about the pastor, as you are in your political philosophy, and you have an inordinate fear that exposure in the one area will expose all.

You may, indeed, be in deep, deep trouble (insert Toccata and fugue in D minor)!

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[xotoxi]

In my opinion, an intelligent, civilized, and decent people respects the harmless sensibilities of ALL people.

So you don't burn flags that symbolize patriotism or allegiance or patriotism to your fellow Earth beings.

You don't burn books just because you don't like their content.

You don't destroy or deface art just because you don't share its message.

You don't burn churches or synagogue or mosques or temples because you don't share the relgiion.

Such things harm us not in the the least and those who enjoy them and can do so harmlessly to others should be left in peace.

But when some idiot DOES use violent demonstration to make a point--and burning a Qu'ran would certain quality, we CAN condemn the act as stupid, offensive, and insulting.

We can condemn the act WITHOUT approving hunting down somebody, anybody, to punish as retaliation for the offense.

The act of provocatively burning a Qu/ran should be condemned for the stupid act is is.

And the deliberate and premeditated murder of innocents can NEVER be defended nor tolerated in an intelligent, civilized, and decent world.

I agree with you 110.76%

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Defending American Rights and our Constitution is just so passe for our dimwitted Politicians at this point. These Afghans who committed these atrocities should be prosecuted for Crimes against Humanity. There are no justifications for massacring innocent people. This kind of stuff only convinces more people that this Pastor might just be right about Islam. And shame on our cowardly Politicians. They are completely useless.

 

[High_Gravity]

Defending American Rights and our Constitution is just so passe for our dimwitted Politicians at this point. These Afghans who committed these atrocities should be prosecuted for Crimes against Humanity. There are no justifications for massacring innocent people. This kind of stuff only convinces more people that this Pastor might just be right about Islam. And shame on our cowardly Politicians. They are completely useless.

You know, during all of this I see alot of people blaming the pastor for burning the Quran, but not alot of blame on the retarded Afghan mob that performed this brutality. I actually kind of blame the UN for letting their people be unprotected and bind them with unrealistic rules not to fire onto the mob, maybe if these guys defended themselves they would still be alive.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Maybe this Pastor is right about Islam? More people are beginning to ask this question after seeing this insane Afghan Muslim massacre. Hmm?

 

[High_Gravity]

Maybe this Pastor is right about Islam? More people are beginning to ask this question after seeing this insane Afghan Muslim massacre. Hmm?

I think the Pastor is a retard but I don't blame him for the deaths of those people, I don't care if he burned 1000 Qurans, thats no excuse to kill a human being.

 

[Foxfyre]

Defending American Rights and our Constitution is just so passe for our dimwitted Politicians at this point. These Afghans who committed these atrocities should be prosecuted for Crimes against Humanity. There are no justifications for massacring innocent people. This kind of stuff only convinces more people that this Pastor might just be right about Islam. And shame on our cowardly Politicians. They are completely useless.

You know, during all of this I see alot of people blaming the pastor for burning the Quran, but not alot of blame on the retarded Afghan mob that performed this brutality. I actually kind of blame the UN for letting their people be unprotected and bind them with unrealistic rules not to fire onto the mob, maybe if these guys defended themselves they would still be alive.

That is one of the most frustrating phenomenons in this current age of politics. It has become fashionable to blame the victim of the crime, IF that victim is somebody who is out of favor or politically incorrect, or some other 'unacceptable' catalyst rather than accuse and condemn those who commit the crime.

Even our President, members of his staff, and the media were quick to jump on Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, the Tea Partiers, etc. etc. etc. for the Arizona shooting rather than focus on the shooter himself.

To many Israel is never the victim but always the villain in the Palestinian conflict.

The crimes of wall street, Fannie, Freddie, et al are not blamed on those who committed the crime or those who encouraged them to do so, but rather some previous deregulation is at fault.

Don't blame Muslim thugs and terrorists for murderous acts. Blame Bush and Reagan for pissing them off.

Don't blame the murder of innocents on some hate filled nut. Blame the guy who mad him mad.

It's absolutely maddening if you think on it too much.

 

[Grace]

Very overwhelming. So Ill just say this all sucks and be done with it.

 

[High_Gravity]

Defending American Rights and our Constitution is just so passe for our dimwitted Politicians at this point. These Afghans who committed these atrocities should be prosecuted for Crimes against Humanity. There are no justifications for massacring innocent people. This kind of stuff only convinces more people that this Pastor might just be right about Islam. And shame on our cowardly Politicians. They are completely useless.

You know, during all of this I see alot of people blaming the pastor for burning the Quran, but not alot of blame on the retarded Afghan mob that performed this brutality. I actually kind of blame the UN for letting their people be unprotected and bind them with unrealistic rules not to fire onto the mob, maybe if these guys defended themselves they would still be alive.

That is one of the most frustrating phenomenons in this current age of politics. It has become fashionable to blame the victim of the crime, IF that victim is somebody who is out of favor or politically incorrect, or some other 'unacceptable' catalyst rather than accuse and condemn those who commit the crime.

Even our President, members of his staff, and the media were quick to jump on Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, the Tea Partiers, etc. etc. etc. for the Arizona shooting rather than focus on the shooter himself.

To many Israel is never the victim but always the villain in the Palestinian conflict.

The crimes of wall street, Fannie, Freddie, et al are not blamed on those who committed the crime or those who encouraged them to do so, but rather some previous deregulation is at fault.

Don't blame Muslim thugs and terrorists for murderous acts. Blame Bush and Reagan for pissing them off.

Don't blame the murder of innocents on some hate filled nut. Blame the guy who mad him mad.

It's absolutely maddening if you think on it too much.

It is, the sad thing this retarded Afghan mob will more than likely never see justice for this crime even though it is on video for the whole world to see.

 

[Ravi]

The pastor is now the victim? Give me a break.

 

[High_Gravity]

The pastor is now the victim? Give me a break.

No the Afghan mob are the victims.