Objective State of Union

[Robert W]

I know....I'll tell you trump fucked up by shutting things down.
trump is the man, right.

There would be proof if that were true. Why not show us the document proving your claims?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Past the spin and hatred of Trump, I think there are some objective positive things happening under this administration. I will list a few, and I know g5000 and candycorn will pull out charts and polls saying things are terrible.

1. Gas prices - It is unquestionably good. The savings yearly are significant. Dems will immediately say presidents can't affect gas prices, but I think we know what gas would cost under democrats.
2. Inflation under control - Dems will say the inflation rate is flat, but again, we can guess what inflation would be under democrats. The investments brought in with tariffs is significantly higher than Biden years. Wages are gaining over inflation.
3. Closed Border - I saw someone float an expert saying illegal immigration is good for the economy, but even Democrats know illegal waves are enormously expensive. Plus, the human smuggling was appalling, let alone the drugs.
4. Fraud crackdown - Can even Democrats say that fraud is a good thing, or that it doesn't exist on a massive scale. Is the argument that it is always there so its ok?
5. Lower Crime - murder rates are at record lows. You think that would happen under democrats?

Prices are still high, yes. Once inflation jacks them up, they don't tend to go down. Imagine what things would cost if gas was still avg 4 bucks a gallon. The Democrats and their communist sponsors are defiant and upset. Mamdani proposed a budget larger than the entire state of Florida, energy costs skyrocketed in Virginia, and even CNN talking heads like Fareed Zakaria are saying blue cities are grossly incompetent. Prices, energy, and crime are steady or improving, and people like Susan Rice are threatening to get revenge on media outlets who don't censor conservatives. I see objectively positive directions, and am glad we are not under the boots of warm collectivism.

Why don't Lefties insist on paying the high levels of fuel under Obama and Biden? Whatever they buy under Trump, they should send the extra to the government as a donation.

 

[Winco]

There would be proof if that were true. Why not show us the document proving your claims?

What documents?

Did trump defer to the Governors and let the Governors shut down (to some extent) their States?

 

[Robert W]

So you agree that trump let down the US economy and ALL businesses by allowing the Governors to shut down, including you (R) governors.

Trump never shut anything down. Governors gave such orders. What R governor shut things down. I know for sure that Gov. Ron DeSantis never shut Florida down. Trump has little power he can use on Governors.

You keep confirming for us all you are in bed with Democrats and man you hate Republicans.

 

[Robert W]

What documents?

Did trump defer to the Governors and let the Governors shut down (to some extent) their States?

Documents a president uses to issue orders. I have said many times to no effect as far as you are concerned, States are a fully functioning Government. States have everything needed to be sovereigns.

 

[Robert W]

..trump got us the vaccine.

Trump is no research fellow or scientist but politically he ordered our science systems to go to Warp Speed and by this he meant to make it FAST to get vaccines to us all. And it worked. What takes as long as 10 years normally to do, he got done in 10 months. He saved lives.

 

[Winco]

Trump never shut anything down.

I confirmed this. I simply asked why trump allowed it.
He has made it CLEAR that he is in charge, and nobody tells him NO.
Why did trump allow Governors the choice?
Trump caved and deferred to the Governors..... ALL 50 of them.

Governors gave such orders. What R governor shut things down. I know for sure that Gov. Ron DeSantis never shut Florida down. Trump has little power he can use on Governors.

MN wanted no part of trump sending in ICE, trump over ruled the Governors.
Don't dare tell me trump has little power he can use on Governors.

U.S. state and local government responses to the COVID-19 pandemic - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Winco]

Trump is no research fellow or scientist but politically he ordered our science systems to go to Warp Speed and by this he meant to make it FAST to get vaccines to us all. And it worked. What takes as long as 10 years normally to do, he got done in 10 months.

Did YOU take the vaccine?
Did all your (R) friends take the vaccine.
I took the vaccine.

He saved lives.

Some, many refused and DIED.
He told people to find alternatives to the vaccine.
Trump was a DISASTER for COVID.

"No, I don't take responsibility at ALL." djt.

 

[Robert W]

Did YOU take the vaccine?
Did all your (R) friends take the vaccine.
I took the vaccine.

YES, as fast as it got to my city, I went right in. My friends? I never asked any of those. I did check with family and they got them too. Here is the kicker. Try to explain this. My daughter is a registered nurse so naturally she and her husband and son got vaccinated. Only their very young daughter was not vaccinated. The family, every one of them, except that daughter who was not vaccinated, got the Covid 19 disease and were ill for days.

 

[Winco]

I know for sure that Gov. Ron DeSantis never shut Florida down.

Florida Governor Orders Statewide Lockdown

After days of pressure, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis ordered a statewide lockdown. Florida had been the lone holdout among states most affected by the coronavirus in not having a stay-at-home order.

www.npr.org

So just admit that you were WRONG.

Trump has little power he can use on Governors.

Really, because he told Governors to **** Off when he ordered in the NG and ICE.

So you LIE again.

 

[Winco]

The family, every one of them, except that daughter who was not vaccinated, got the Covid 19 disease and were ill for days.

Well that is unfortunate. But they LIVED.
What is your NEW Talking Point?

That trump forced a shitty vaccine that didn't work.
or
As you mentioned earlier, he saved lives.

You can't have it both ways.
Now I expect you to LIE about something you claim I said.
You are too easy to predict.
It's like I know what baseless claim you will make next.

Warp Speed and by this he meant to make it FAST to get vaccines to us all. And it worked. What takes as long as 10 years normally to do, he got done in 10 months. He saved lives.

 

[Robert W]

Florida Governor Orders Statewide Lockdown

After days of pressure, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis ordered a statewide lockdown. Florida had been the lone holdout among states most affected by the coronavirus in not having a stay-at-home order.

www.npr.org

So just admit that you were WRONG.


Really, because he told Governors to **** Off when he ordered in the NG and ICE.

So you LIE again.

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Published Jan. 3, 2022, 1:58 p.m. ET | Updated Jan. 3, 2023
January 3, 2021 Updated 9:39 A.M. ET

CLAIM: Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R) shut down the Florida government for “two plus weeks while COVID raged”

CLAIMANT: Florida Commissioner of Agriculture Nikki Fried (D)

FACT CHECK: False – DeSantis worked for the vast majority of December, except for select days like Christmas. The state government did not shut down for two or more weeks.

TALLAHASSEE (FCV) – Florida Commissioner of Agriculture Nikki Fried (D) incorrectly claimed that Florida Governor Ron DeSantis (R) shut down the state government for “two plus weeks while COVID raged.”

Admit you are wrong.

We have had but one state that told Trump to eff off. And we know it was Minnesota. States around the USA were very cooperative to ICE agents doing their sworn duty to collect illegal aliens

 

[Robert W]

Well that is unfortunate. But they LIVED.
What is your NEW Talking Point?

Damned few who got CV19 died. Those who died fell mostly into the category they were old like I am. I said I got the vaccines and never got Covid and still you are angry.

 

[Winco]

Damned few who got CV19 died. Those who died fell mostly into the category they were old like I am.

What is your "Damned Few" number?

1). Less than ONE million in the USA?
2) More than ONE Million in the USA?

I said I got the vaccines and never got Covid and still you are angry.

I'm certainly not angry.
I just don't like LIARS.
Trump is the King of Liars. You know it too. But you must defend.

In the United States, there have been 103,436,829 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 1,235,172 with confirmed deaths, the most of any country, and the 17th highest per capita worldwide.

The COVID-19 pandemic ranks as the deadliest disaster in the country's history. It was the third-leading cause of death in the U.S. in 2020, behind heart disease and cancer

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I gave facts and numbers. You are the one with the "nuh-unh", no facts at all. You are nothing without numbers and facts. Or weren't you ever in the military or industry, in a responsible position? Your "feelings" matter naught without facts or numbers from a recognized source.

Your facts and numbers are all TDS-BS!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The OPEC+ 2 year deal that trump signed/brokered.

You know, the deal that reduced foreign oil production and decreased our supply.
Yup, I blame trump for signing that terrible deal.
Foreign favors by trump led to higher prices, for 2 + years, for the USA.

Do you get it yet?
If you don't, just say it.

Say....according to Robert W , the OPEC+ deal had nothing to do with higher gas prices during the biden term.
Just say it Robert.

What deal? Got a link to your fantasy?

 

[Winco]

What deal? Got a link to your fantasy?

You don't know about OPEC+


The 2020 OPEC+ deal was a historic, unprecedented agreement reached in April 2020 to slash global oil production in response to a massive collapse in demand and a price war caused by the COVID-19 pandemic
. The deal, involving OPEC members, Russia, and other allies (OPEC+), aimed to stabilize crashing oil prices that had briefly turned negative.

CNBC +3
Key Details of the 2020 Deal:

• Production Cuts: OPEC+ agreed to reduce output by 9.7 million barrels per day (mb/d), which represented nearly 10% of global supply.
• Timeline: The initial, record-breaking cuts were set for May and June 2020.
• Phased Reduction: The deal included a tapering schedule: 9.7 mb/d (May–June 2020), 7.7 mb/d (July–December 2020), and 5.8 mb/d (January 2021–April 2022).

 

[Winco]

What deal? Got a link to your fantasy?

OPEC+ agreement to reduce production contributes to global oil market rebalancing - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

 

[Robert W]

What is your "Damned Few" number?

1). Less than ONE million in the USA?
2) More than ONE Million in the USA?

Percent I mean. Under 1 percent in 5 years.

 

[Robert W]

OPEC+ agreement to reduce production contributes to global oil market rebalancing - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Winco, when the tanks filled up, wasn't it time to cut production? All Trump did was help sellers not take products since they were filled up.