Objective journalism: Does it still exist?

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Has Journalism truly lost its objectivity?

Has competition from the many new news sources that have boomed since the internet was born turned traditional sources of news into mere ratings seeking missiles that report what the people want to hear or is true objectivity still alive?

What is an objective source?

I would put forth that a truly objective news source was one from which the tone of articles was overwhelmingly neutral. A just the facts, ma'am style where events were reported without hype or hyperbole. Do we have this any more?

Not according to this

Winning the Media Campaign | Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ)

Winning the Media CampaignOctober 22, 2008
How the Press Reported the 2008 General Election

The media coverage of the race for president has not so much cast Barack Obama in a favorable light as it has portrayed John McCain in a substantially negative one, according to a new study of the media since the two national political conventions ended.

Press treatment of Obama has been somewhat more positive than negative, but not markedly so.


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It's not that coverage of BHO was overwhelmingly more positive but that his coverage was more balanced among positive, neutral and negative than was the coverage of JM which was decidedly more negative.

now if coverage was truly objective, shouldn't the neutral be the dominant percentage of all reports?

Before you BHO people scream about a partisan web study, please read the methodology and how "tone" of articles was determined. I think you will find the study does a very good job of both.

To examine tone, the Project takes a particularly cautious and conservative approach. Unlike some researchers, we examine not just whether assertions in stories are positive or negative, but also whether they are inherently neutral. This, we believe, provides a much clearer and fairer sense of the tone of coverage than ignoring those balanced or mixed evaluations. Second, we do not simply tally up all the evaluative assertions in stories and compile them into a single pile to measure. Journalists and audiences think about press coverage in stories or segments. They ask themselves, is this story positive or negative or neutral? Hence the Project measures coverage by story, and for a story to be deemed as having a negative or positive tone, it must be clearly so, not a close call: for example, the negative assertions in a story must outweigh positive assertions by a margin of at least 1.5 to 1 for that story to be deemed negative.

The first thing i looked for was bias in evaluating the tone of articles and I found the study's methods to be very reasonable.

What we see in these findings, above all, are two phenomena. The first is the focus on tactics and strategy. The candidate who was perceived to be winning this year got better coverage. We have seen that pattern before. In 2000, our research saw George Bush receiving more positive coverage than Gore. In 2004, our studies of a narrower time frame saw Kerry enjoying better coverage, as polls perceived his closing the gap on Bush.

The second phenomenon is an almost instantaneous reinforcing and echoing effect of the press. Presidential elections are now so heavily polled, with various daily tracks and compilations of state-by-state polls, that every campaign event is almost instantly measured for its political impact and that in turn is immediately analyzed by the political press. Each event has in a sense three echoes. The event is covered. The effect is measured. And the reaction to that measurement by the campaigns is then examined and covered.

That pattern becomes a snowball, and the trajectory of any one campaign event is magnified.


Occasionally the news media will alter this dynamic pattern of covering the candidates’ behavior and then measuring the political effect of it—with their own enterprise or background pieces....

Even more occasionally the press will influence the narrative by asking questions of the candidates directly

I think this last "influence" is one we want to see more. Not in that it will influence tone of the coverage but that if done objectively it will actually allow the public to judge candidates on their own merits by standards that each person sets individually rather than what tone is lent to articles by the journalistic media.

At least one journalist seems to concur with the above study.

Michael S Malone in a recent column:

Media's Presidential Bias and Decline

Reporting Bias
For many years, spotting bias in reporting was a little parlor game of mine, watching TV news or reading a newspaper article and spotting how the reporter had inserted, often unconsciously, his or her own preconceptions. But I always wrote it off as bad judgment and lack of professionalism, rather than bad faith and conscious advocacy....

The Presidential Campaign
But nothing, nothing I've seen has matched the media bias on display in the current presidential campaign.

Republicans are justifiably foaming at the mouth over the sheer one-sidedness of the press coverage of the two candidates and their running mates. But in the last few days, even Democrats, who have been gloating over the pass -- no, make that shameless support -- they've gotten from the press, are starting to get uncomfortable as they realize that no one wins in the long run when we don't have a free and fair press.


before you start calling Malone a right wing hack...

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those people who think the media has been too hard on, say, Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin, by rushing reportorial SWAT teams to her home state of Alaska to rifle through her garbage. This is the big leagues, and if she wants to suit up and take the field, then Gov. Palin better be ready to play.

The few instances where I think the press has gone too far -- such as the Times reporter talking to prospective first lady Cindy McCain's daughter's MySpace friends -- can easily be solved with a few newsroom smackdowns and temporary repostings to the Omaha bureau.

No, what I object to (and I think most other Americans do as well) is the lack of equivalent hardball coverage of the other side -- or worse, actively serving as attack dogs for the presidential ticket of Sens. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and Joe Biden, D-Del.


If the current polls are correct, we are about to elect as president of the United States a man who is essentially a cipher, who has left almost no paper trail, seems to have few friends (that at least will talk) and has entire years missing out of his biography.

That isn't Sen. Obama's fault: His job is to put his best face forward. No, it is the traditional media's fault, for it alone (unlike the alternative media) has had the resources to cover this story properly, and has systematically refused to do so.

Why, for example to quote the lawyer for Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., haven't we seen an interview with Sen. Obama's grad school drug dealer -- when we know all about Mrs. McCain's addiction? Are Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko that hard to interview? All those phony voter registrations that hard to scrutinize? And why are Sen. Biden's endless gaffes almost always covered up, or rationalized, by the traditional media?...


The absolute nadir (though I hate to commit to that, as we still have two weeks before the election) came with Joe the Plumber.

Middle America, even when they didn't agree with Joe, looked on in horror as the press took apart the private life of an average person


So why weren't those legions of hungry reporters set loose on the Obama campaign? Who are the real villains in this story of mainstream media betrayal?

The editors. The men and women you don't see; the people who not only decide what goes in the paper, but what doesn't; the managers who give the reporters their assignments and lay out the editorial pages. They are the real culprits.


Bad Editors
Why? I think I know, because had my life taken a different path, I could have been one: Picture yourself in your 50s in a job where you've spent 30 years working your way to the top, to the cockpit of power & only to discover that you're presiding over a dying industry. The Internet and alternative media are stealing your readers, your advertisers and your top young talent.


Do you think there is any merit to Malone's premise?
 
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Why is the Pew research project incorrect in your opinion?

What exactly do you contest in Malone's opinion?

Don't be a wimp, support your opinion, please.
 
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Why is the Pew research project incorrect in your opinion?

What exactly do you contest in Malone's opinion?

Don't be a wimp, support your opinion, please.
i was answering the question posed in the title
:D


i totally agree with Malone's opinion
the media IS biased
 
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i was answering the question posed in the title
:D


i totally agree with Malone's opinion
the media IS biased

i was so ready to get bashed i was on the defensive.

But in relation to Malone's bit on Joe the plumber:

Michelle Malkin Will the privacy champions come to Joe the Plumber’s defense?

They’ve got a fraud-friendly Secretary of State, infestations of out-of-state students and Obama workers sabotaging electoral integrity, and now…government employees or accomplices thereof rifling through the records of Joe the Plumber immediately after the last presidential debate.

You’ll remember that a national media uproar ensued after it was discovered that State Department contractors had snooped through Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain’s passports. (Later, it turned out that the CEO of a company whose employee was involved in Passport-gate was a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign.)

Will the privacy champs come to Joe the Plumber’s defense?



Was the obtaining of Joe's personal records legal?

The Columbus Dispatch reports:

Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher’s driver’s license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.

Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.

It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver’s license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.


I don't think trashing Joe no matter how much of a dope he is was legitimate law enforcement or government business do you?

“We’re trying to pinpoint where it came from,” she said. The investigation could become “criminal in nature,”

After the State Department passport fiasco, heads rolled. Obama spokesman Bill Burton raged: “Our government’s duty is to protect the private information of the American people, not use it for political purposes.”

Are plumbers who oppose socialism exempt?


Can you imagine if someone pulled the DMV and tax records of a BHO supporter what shit would have hit the fan?
 
well, we knew more about "joe the Plummer" in 24 hours than we still do about Obama after 24 months


and i agree that its clear illegal things were done, but it wont get any attantion from the media because it doesnt support Obama to do so
 
McCain is running a negative campaign. Why are you surprised that the media frames their reports based on McCains lead? After all, If I am being objective and McCains presents a negative attack my report should reflect that negativity else I am being biased.

I think your complaint isn't about objectivity but a lack of subjective reporting favoring McCain. You have fox for that so be happy...
 
Has Journalism truly lost its objectivity?

Has competition from the many new news sources that have boomed since the internet was born turned traditional sources of news into mere ratings seeking missiles that report what the people want to hear or is true objectivity still alive?

What is an objective source?

"If the current polls are correct, we are about to elect as president of the United States a man who is essentially a cipher, who has left almost no paper trail, seems to have few friends (that at least will talk) and has entire years missing out of his biography."

What horse manure, first he tells us the media has been overly positive about Obama then in the same breath tells us if the polls are correct Obama is a cipher. Sorry, but this does not compute nor make any sense, it would seem to most sensible people that this is contradictory and thus anything he writes is called in question. Next hack please.
 
McCain is running a negative campaign. Why are you surprised that the media frames their reports based on McCains lead? After all, If I am being objective and McCains presents a negative attack my report should reflect that negativity else I am being biased.

I think your complaint isn't about objectivity but a lack of subjective reporting favoring McCain. You have fox for that so be happy...

the Pew study was not about so called negative campaigning. It was about the tone of articles and whether they were negative, neutral or positive in regards to each candidate. Take some time and read it.

The fact that an "objective" news source qualifies a candidate's statement as negative just proves the Pew study, does it not?

An objective source would say:

"McCain stated today that Obama.........."

And would leave it up to you to decide if it was :negative" or not.

An objective source would not say:

"In yet another negative attack, McCain, today, said......."

I think we have had more of the latter don't you?
 
What horse manure, first he tells us the media has been overly positive about Obama then in the same breath tells us if the polls are correct Obama is a cipher. Sorry, but this does not compute nor make any sense, it would seem to most sensible people that this is contradictory and thus anything he writes is called in question. Next hack please.

Disagree with Malone if you will but he was not for pulling punches on Palin. Shouldn't one expect no punches be pulled for BHO?

And do you disagree with the Pew Study?
 
Obama
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Barack Obama and the Myth of Inexperience

by John K. Wilson

"Obama's experience in state and national politics also exceeds that of Ronald Reagan (eight years as governor), Jimmy Carter (four years in state senate, four years as governor), Dwight Eisenhower (no political experience), and Harry Truman (10 years as US senator, one year as vice president). In fact, Obama's total political experience exceeds Thompson's eight lackluster years as a senator or Giuliani's two terms as mayor of New York City, which they felt made them qualified to be president.

I did a quick study of presidential experience (see the results here) and discovered that out of 42 presidents, only 20 had more experience as an elected public official than Obama does now. Only 22 presidents had more experience than Obama as an elected official in Washington, D.C. In terms of his experience, Obama would be a typical president. Yet you won't find anyone in the media reporting on the fact that Obama has more foreign policy experience than four out of the last five presidents."

Barack Obama and the Myth of Inexperience | Obama Politics

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need
Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Policy Issues
 
Obama
YouTube - Four Days in Denver: Behind the Scenes at the 2008 DNC

Barack Obama and the Myth of Inexperience

by John K. Wilson

"Obama's experience in state and national politics also exceeds that of Ronald Reagan (eight years as governor), Jimmy Carter (four years in state senate, four years as governor), Dwight Eisenhower (no political experience), and Harry Truman (10 years as US senator, one year as vice president). In fact, Obama's total political experience exceeds Thompson's eight lackluster years as a senator or Giuliani's two terms as mayor of New York City, which they felt made them qualified to be president.

I did a quick study of presidential experience (see the results here) and discovered that out of 42 presidents, only 20 had more experience as an elected public official than Obama does now. Only 22 presidents had more experience than Obama as an elected official in Washington, D.C. In terms of his experience, Obama would be a typical president. Yet you won't find anyone in the media reporting on the fact that Obama has more foreign policy experience than four out of the last five presidents."

Barack Obama and the Myth of Inexperience | Obama Politics

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need
Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Policy Issues

Again your disagreement with malone is noted. What about the study?

And experience as an elected official, in my opinion, is not necessarily better than other types of experience.
 
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Disagree with Malone if you will but he was not for pulling punches on Palin. Shouldn't one expect no punches be pulled for BHO?

And do you disagree with the Pew Study?

The PEW piece was a bit surprising, both started fairly equal but McCain fell quickly as the season went on, especially after debates and poor decisions such as the economic crash and Palin selection. Is that bias or unfair, or a critical look at some poor decision making by McCain? A bit of both I suspect.

PS Barack grew for them while McCain seemed battered!
 
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the Pew study was not about so called negative campaigning. It was about the tone of articles and whether they were negative, neutral or positive in regards to each candidate. Take some time and read it.

The fact that an "objective" news source qualifies a candidate's statement as negative just proves the Pew study, does it not?

An objective source would say:

"McCain stated today that Obama.........."

And would leave it up to you to decide if it was :negative" or not.

An objective source would not say:

"In yet another negative attack, McCain, today, said......."

I think we have had more of the latter don't you?

Then by your logic the poll is subjective. When you make the issue your opponent you are negative. When your report reflects that frame you are being objective...it has zero to do with telling the audience whether the attack is negative.

Take McCains name out and insert Hillaries and you can see the exact same reporting or look at 2000 with Bush vs McCain and you have the same reporting. The frame is around the position the candidate takes with the more the position is about issues and policy and less about the opponent the more positive the frame. Look at Biden now for Christs sake and tell me this is positive reporting!

This is not rocket science...if you want to be presented in a positive light then be positive. When your only qualification is how bad the other guy is objective reporting should reflect that...
 
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Then by your logic the poll is subjective. When you make the issue your opponent you are negative. When your report reflects that frame you are being objective...it has zero to do with telling the audience whether the attack is negative.

Take McCains name out and insert Hillaries and you can see the exact same reporting or look at 2000 with Bush vs McCain and you have the same reporting. The frame is around the position the candidate takes with the more the position is about issues and policy and less about the opponent the more positive the frame. Look at Biden now for Christs sake and tell me this is positive reporting!

This is not rocket science...if you want to be presented in a positive light then be positive. When your only qualification is how bad the other guy is objective reporting should reflect that...
you are missing the point, this wasnt a POLL
the PEW Research Center reviewed media coverage
they didnt "poll" about it
 
you are missing the point, this wasnt a POLL
the PEW Research Center reviewed media coverage
they didnt "poll" about it

Well excuse the error but the point is the same. When the media follows the frame they are being objective. When the media ignores the frame they are being subjective. If you frame your position negatively and I follow the frame my story reflects your negative tone...ergo is negative.

If you want to be presented in a positive light then be positive. This is not rocket science. When you make your opponent the issue you are playing the game of lesser evils all while forgetting that evil is evil and will be presented as such. McCain, just as Hillary, is being burned by their own frame and nothing more...
 
Well excuse the error but the point is the same. When the media follows the frame they are being objective. When the media ignores the frame they are being subjective. If you frame your position negatively and I follow the frame my story reflects your negative tone...ergo is negative.

If you want to be presented in a positive light then be positive. This is not rocket science. When you make your opponent the issue you are playing the game of lesser evils all while forgetting that evil is evil and will be presented as such. McCain, just as Hillary, is being burned by their own frame and nothing more...
ah, so its McCains own fault he gets negative coverage
:rolleyes:
BULLSHIT
 
ah, so its McCains own fault he gets negative coverage
:rolleyes:
BULLSHIT

The media does what it is told..forces much greater than fox news ..decide what the theme of the coverage will be..and what candidate will be selected for favorable coverage.. as they did with Bush . and it has nothing to do with left or right illusions.. it is about who will be the most effective one to advance there socialist agenda..and that man is The O BAMA.. this time..
 

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