Obesity is NOT beautiful! :(

[Michelle420]

I like Meatloaf

Whether or not you "like" a particular fat person (who you don't even REALLY know much about personally), is not relevant in any way to this discussion.

Why not ? I thought the topic was
Obesity is NOT beautiful!

At least the title implies we are judging what people see as attractive.

I find some fat people attractive and I agree that obesity is a health issue.

I find some drunks funny but also understand alcoholism is a real health issue for some people.

My point was you don't like obese people and you worry about the health issues. Some people worry about abortion, some worry about cancer and smoking, or drugs, you worry about obesity and health issues got it.

There are health issues related to obesity. There will always be obese people and most people are aware of the health issues fat people face.

I know plenty of fat people and I don't "hate" or "dislike" them. However, overeating and not exercising is a disgusting habit. Just as disgusting as smoking. It is certainly preventable in MANY cases, and that is according to health professionals.

Right people have bad habits whether over eating, over drinking, smoking, or something else. Some people are disgusted by those bad habits and some people aren't.

shrug.

Okay. How does that relate to the problem obesity is causing in our country?

No differently than a chronic alcoholic hospitalized or needing a new liver, no different then a smoker in the hospital with cancer, no different then a drug addict needing rehab, or the anorexic hospitalised and fed by an I.V. Fat people can get gastric bypass or diet or get some disease and they will have to deal with as happens to people who do not take care of themselves.

There are plenty of health problems in our country that are addressed and obesity is one of them. But your title was talking about beauty and that is what most people were addressing because beauty is an opinion.

 

[Michelle420]

Why not ? I thought the topic was
Obesity is NOT beautiful!

At least the title implies we are judging what people see as attractive.

I find some fat people attractive and I agree that obesity is a health issue.

I find some drunks funny but also understand alcoholism is a real health issue for some people.

My point was you don't like obese people and you worry about the health issues. Some people worry about abortion, some worry about cancer and smoking, or drugs, you worry about obesity and health issues got it.

There are health issues related to obesity. There will always be obese people and most people are aware of the health issues fat people face.

Just because I don't think someone is beautiful does NOT mean I "hate" them.

Fair enough, and just because someone has a health issue of being obese doesn't make them not beautiful, because beauty is decided by individual people.

I disagree with that sentiment. Just as some people find smoking to be disgusting, I find overeating and not getting physical activity to be disgusting. Does it mean you "hate" a smoker if you find the habit distasteful?

I already said fair enough. I don't find smokers disgusting or fat people.

Again there are alot of people that have habits that cause health issues and some people can be disgusted by it and some aren't.

It's really just an opinion whether is disgusts someone, the health issue may be a fact but how others view it is opinion.

Do you know that obesity costs BILLIONS of dollars every single year in health related costs?

so does alcoholism and smoking

 

[Michelle420]

Why not ? I thought the topic was
Obesity is NOT beautiful!

At least the title implies we are judging what people see as attractive.

I find some fat people attractive and I agree that obesity is a health issue.

I find some drunks funny but also understand alcoholism is a real health issue for some people.

My point was you don't like obese people and you worry about the health issues. Some people worry about abortion, some worry about cancer and smoking, or drugs, you worry about obesity and health issues got it.

There are health issues related to obesity. There will always be obese people and most people are aware of the health issues fat people face.

Just because I don't think someone is beautiful does NOT mean I "hate" them.

Fair enough, and just because someone has a health issue of being obese doesn't make them not beautiful, because beauty is decided by individual people.

I disagree with that sentiment. Just as some people find smoking to be disgusting, I find overeating and not getting physical activity to be disgusting. Does it mean you "hate" a smoker if you find the habit distasteful?

I already said fair enough. I don't find smokers disgusting or fat people.

Again there are alot of people that have habits that cause health issues and some people can be disgusted by it and some aren't.

It's really just an opinion whether is disgusts someone, the health issue may be a fact but how others view it is opinion.

Do you find smoking "beautiful?"

There are old black and white movies where actors or actresses looked sexy smoking a cigarette. My opinion

again we all see beautiful different.

 

[ChrisL]

Just because I don't think someone is beautiful does NOT mean I "hate" them.

Fair enough, and just because someone has a health issue of being obese doesn't make them not beautiful, because beauty is decided by individual people.

I disagree with that sentiment. Just as some people find smoking to be disgusting, I find overeating and not getting physical activity to be disgusting. Does it mean you "hate" a smoker if you find the habit distasteful?

I already said fair enough. I don't find smokers disgusting or fat people.

Again there are alot of people that have habits that cause health issues and some people can be disgusted by it and some aren't.

It's really just an opinion whether is disgusts someone, the health issue may be a fact but how others view it is opinion.

Do you know that obesity costs BILLIONS of dollars every single year in health related costs?

so does alcoholism and smoking

A lot of professionals now consider obesity to be a HEALTH CRISIS in America.



The Health Risks of Obesity: Worse Than Smoking, Drinking or Poverty | RAND

Obesity is widely recognized as a health risk. The negative effects of obesity and other known health risks, such as smoking, heavy drinking, and poverty, have been well documented. But until now, no one has compared them. Is one problem worse than another? Or are they all equally risky?

Two RAND researchers, health economist Roland Sturm and psychiatrist Kenneth Wells, examined the comparative effects of obesity, smoking, heavy drinking, and poverty on chronic health conditions and health expenditures. Their finding: Obesity is the most serious problem. It is linked to a big increase in chronic health conditions and significantly higher health expenditures. And it affects more people than smoking, heavy drinking, or poverty.

Although obesity is a recognized health risk, there have been relatively few public policies designed to reduce its prevalence. Drs. Sturm and Wells note that "Americans haven't given obesity the same attention as other risks, like smoking, but it is clearly a top health problem and one that is on the rise in all segments of the population. More effective clinical and public health approaches are urgently needed."

 

[ChrisL]

Whether or not you "like" a particular fat person (who you don't even REALLY know much about personally), is not relevant in any way to this discussion.

Why not ? I thought the topic was
Obesity is NOT beautiful!

At least the title implies we are judging what people see as attractive.

I find some fat people attractive and I agree that obesity is a health issue.

I find some drunks funny but also understand alcoholism is a real health issue for some people.

My point was you don't like obese people and you worry about the health issues. Some people worry about abortion, some worry about cancer and smoking, or drugs, you worry about obesity and health issues got it.

There are health issues related to obesity. There will always be obese people and most people are aware of the health issues fat people face.

I know plenty of fat people and I don't "hate" or "dislike" them. However, overeating and not exercising is a disgusting habit. Just as disgusting as smoking. It is certainly preventable in MANY cases, and that is according to health professionals.

Right people have bad habits whether over eating, over drinking, smoking, or something else. Some people are disgusted by those bad habits and some people aren't.

shrug.

Okay. How does that relate to the problem obesity is causing in our country?

No differently than a chronic alcoholic hospitalized or needing a new liver, no different then a smoker in the hospital with cancer, no different then a drug addict needing rehab, or the anorexic hospitalised and fed by an I.V. Fat people can get gastric bypass or diet or get some disease and they will have to deal with as happens to people who do not take care of themselves.

There are plenty of health problems in our country that are addressed and obesity is one of them. But your title was talking about beauty and that is what most people were addressing because beauty is an opinion.

Obesity, in most instances, is completely preventable with just exercise and watching your diet.

 

[ChrisL]

Whether or not you "like" a particular fat person (who you don't even REALLY know much about personally), is not relevant in any way to this discussion.

Why not ? I thought the topic was
Obesity is NOT beautiful!

At least the title implies we are judging what people see as attractive.

I find some fat people attractive and I agree that obesity is a health issue.

I find some drunks funny but also understand alcoholism is a real health issue for some people.

My point was you don't like obese people and you worry about the health issues. Some people worry about abortion, some worry about cancer and smoking, or drugs, you worry about obesity and health issues got it.

There are health issues related to obesity. There will always be obese people and most people are aware of the health issues fat people face.

I know plenty of fat people and I don't "hate" or "dislike" them. However, overeating and not exercising is a disgusting habit. Just as disgusting as smoking. It is certainly preventable in MANY cases, and that is according to health professionals.

Right people have bad habits whether over eating, over drinking, smoking, or something else. Some people are disgusted by those bad habits and some people aren't.

shrug.

Okay. How does that relate to the problem obesity is causing in our country?

No differently than a chronic alcoholic hospitalized or needing a new liver, no different then a smoker in the hospital with cancer, no different then a drug addict needing rehab, or the anorexic hospitalised and fed by an I.V. Fat people can get gastric bypass or diet or get some disease and they will have to deal with as happens to people who do not take care of themselves.

There are plenty of health problems in our country that are addressed and obesity is one of them. But your title was talking about beauty and that is what most people were addressing because beauty is an opinion.

Right, because obesity is not beautiful. You might find a particular person who is obese who is a beautiful person. That, however, does NOT make obesity a "beautiful" physical attribute.

 

[OnePercenter]

Probably because there is a significant bias against fat people.

Obesity is caused by laziness. Successful people aren't lazy.

 

[ChrisL]

Whether or not you "like" a particular fat person (who you don't even REALLY know much about personally), is not relevant in any way to this discussion.

Why not ? I thought the topic was
Obesity is NOT beautiful!

At least the title implies we are judging what people see as attractive.

I find some fat people attractive and I agree that obesity is a health issue.

I find some drunks funny but also understand alcoholism is a real health issue for some people.

My point was you don't like obese people and you worry about the health issues. Some people worry about abortion, some worry about cancer and smoking, or drugs, you worry about obesity and health issues got it.

There are health issues related to obesity. There will always be obese people and most people are aware of the health issues fat people face.

I know plenty of fat people and I don't "hate" or "dislike" them. However, overeating and not exercising is a disgusting habit. Just as disgusting as smoking. It is certainly preventable in MANY cases, and that is according to health professionals.

Right people have bad habits whether over eating, over drinking, smoking, or something else. Some people are disgusted by those bad habits and some people aren't.

shrug.

Okay. How does that relate to the problem obesity is causing in our country?

No differently than a chronic alcoholic hospitalized or needing a new liver, no different then a smoker in the hospital with cancer, no different then a drug addict needing rehab, or the anorexic hospitalised and fed by an I.V. Fat people can get gastric bypass or diet or get some disease and they will have to deal with as happens to people who do not take care of themselves.

There are plenty of health problems in our country that are addressed and obesity is one of them. But your title was talking about beauty and that is what most people were addressing because beauty is an opinion.

I've know some chubby guys that I find attractive because of their personalities. That, however, does not mean that the "obesity" is the attractive part about them.

 

[OnePercenter]

Lord above,,,,,what a ................

what a........ !@#$%^&*()_

Here we go. Nothing to say so you bring the 'lord' into it. Stupid.

 

[Michelle420]

Why not ? I thought the topic was
Obesity is NOT beautiful!

At least the title implies we are judging what people see as attractive.

I find some fat people attractive and I agree that obesity is a health issue.

I find some drunks funny but also understand alcoholism is a real health issue for some people.

My point was you don't like obese people and you worry about the health issues. Some people worry about abortion, some worry about cancer and smoking, or drugs, you worry about obesity and health issues got it.

There are health issues related to obesity. There will always be obese people and most people are aware of the health issues fat people face.

I know plenty of fat people and I don't "hate" or "dislike" them. However, overeating and not exercising is a disgusting habit. Just as disgusting as smoking. It is certainly preventable in MANY cases, and that is according to health professionals.

Right people have bad habits whether over eating, over drinking, smoking, or something else. Some people are disgusted by those bad habits and some people aren't.

shrug.

Okay. How does that relate to the problem obesity is causing in our country?

No differently than a chronic alcoholic hospitalized or needing a new liver, no different then a smoker in the hospital with cancer, no different then a drug addict needing rehab, or the anorexic hospitalised and fed by an I.V. Fat people can get gastric bypass or diet or get some disease and they will have to deal with as happens to people who do not take care of themselves.

There are plenty of health problems in our country that are addressed and obesity is one of them. But your title was talking about beauty and that is what most people were addressing because beauty is an opinion.

Obesity, in most instances, is completely preventable with just exercise and watching your diet.

So is smoking and alcoholism, just don't smoke or drink. But there are psychological reasons along with why people get addicted to unhealthy habits, and addressing those helps people recover from it.

If you are concerned about the health issue looking at some root causes emotionally will help those who do suffer from it recover and be able to form good health habits. This is how treatment works people do not get fat and lazy because they want to, just like hoarders don't become unsanitary and live in dangerous waste because they want to. There is an underlying issue going on. That is what has to be addressed if you truly have an interest in helping those stuck in obesity.

 

[OnePercenter]

Therein lies the main reason your are viewed with a jaundiced eye. You meltdown and get vicious. I will take a fat body over your fat head any day of the week.

So the only way you can get laid is finding a woman with low self-esteem?

 

[Michelle420]

Why not ? I thought the topic was
Obesity is NOT beautiful!

At least the title implies we are judging what people see as attractive.

I find some fat people attractive and I agree that obesity is a health issue.

I find some drunks funny but also understand alcoholism is a real health issue for some people.

My point was you don't like obese people and you worry about the health issues. Some people worry about abortion, some worry about cancer and smoking, or drugs, you worry about obesity and health issues got it.

There are health issues related to obesity. There will always be obese people and most people are aware of the health issues fat people face.

I know plenty of fat people and I don't "hate" or "dislike" them. However, overeating and not exercising is a disgusting habit. Just as disgusting as smoking. It is certainly preventable in MANY cases, and that is according to health professionals.

Right people have bad habits whether over eating, over drinking, smoking, or something else. Some people are disgusted by those bad habits and some people aren't.

shrug.

Okay. How does that relate to the problem obesity is causing in our country?

No differently than a chronic alcoholic hospitalized or needing a new liver, no different then a smoker in the hospital with cancer, no different then a drug addict needing rehab, or the anorexic hospitalised and fed by an I.V. Fat people can get gastric bypass or diet or get some disease and they will have to deal with as happens to people who do not take care of themselves.

There are plenty of health problems in our country that are addressed and obesity is one of them. But your title was talking about beauty and that is what most people were addressing because beauty is an opinion.

I've know some chubby guys that I find attractive because of their personalities. That, however, does not mean that the "obesity" is the attractive part about them.

There is a girl at my school who I ride the elevator with, she is very overweight,I would say obese. However her face is so pretty like an angel, really beautiful skin and her eyes are just gorgeous. I find pretty attractive, but she is unhealthily overweight and she will probably have health issues when she gets older if she doesn't lose weight.

On the surface though I find her attractive, because I am aware of what obesity does causing health issues I think she should lose weight.

 

[ChrisL]

I know plenty of fat people and I don't "hate" or "dislike" them. However, overeating and not exercising is a disgusting habit. Just as disgusting as smoking. It is certainly preventable in MANY cases, and that is according to health professionals.

Right people have bad habits whether over eating, over drinking, smoking, or something else. Some people are disgusted by those bad habits and some people aren't.

shrug.

Okay. How does that relate to the problem obesity is causing in our country?

No differently than a chronic alcoholic hospitalized or needing a new liver, no different then a smoker in the hospital with cancer, no different then a drug addict needing rehab, or the anorexic hospitalised and fed by an I.V. Fat people can get gastric bypass or diet or get some disease and they will have to deal with as happens to people who do not take care of themselves.

There are plenty of health problems in our country that are addressed and obesity is one of them. But your title was talking about beauty and that is what most people were addressing because beauty is an opinion.

Obesity, in most instances, is completely preventable with just exercise and watching your diet.

So is smoking and alcoholism, just don't smoke or drink. But there are psychological reasons along with why people get addicted to unhealthy habits, and addressing those helps people recover from it.

If you are concerned about the health issue looking at some root causes emotionally will help those who do suffer from it recover and be able to form good health habits. This is how treatment works people do not get fat and lazy because they want to, just like hoarders don't become unsanitary and live in dangerous waste because they want to. There is an underlying issue going on. That is what has to be addressed if you truly have an interest in helping those stuck in obesity.

With some people that might be the case. With some others, they just don't care, Drifter. That is a fact.

 

[Michelle420]

Why not ? I thought the topic was
Obesity is NOT beautiful!

At least the title implies we are judging what people see as attractive.

I find some fat people attractive and I agree that obesity is a health issue.

I find some drunks funny but also understand alcoholism is a real health issue for some people.

My point was you don't like obese people and you worry about the health issues. Some people worry about abortion, some worry about cancer and smoking, or drugs, you worry about obesity and health issues got it.

There are health issues related to obesity. There will always be obese people and most people are aware of the health issues fat people face.

I know plenty of fat people and I don't "hate" or "dislike" them. However, overeating and not exercising is a disgusting habit. Just as disgusting as smoking. It is certainly preventable in MANY cases, and that is according to health professionals.

Right people have bad habits whether over eating, over drinking, smoking, or something else. Some people are disgusted by those bad habits and some people aren't.

shrug.

Okay. How does that relate to the problem obesity is causing in our country?

No differently than a chronic alcoholic hospitalized or needing a new liver, no different then a smoker in the hospital with cancer, no different then a drug addict needing rehab, or the anorexic hospitalised and fed by an I.V. Fat people can get gastric bypass or diet or get some disease and they will have to deal with as happens to people who do not take care of themselves.

There are plenty of health problems in our country that are addressed and obesity is one of them. But your title was talking about beauty and that is what most people were addressing because beauty is an opinion.

Right, because obesity is not beautiful. You might find a particular person who is obese who is a beautiful person. That, however, does NOT make obesity a "beautiful" physical attribute.

Looks wise someone fat really doesn't turn me off, and I have found some fat people beautiful and attractive. We all see things differently. I am aware it's unhealthy and I agree it should be addressed for those reasons.

 

[Michelle420]

Right people have bad habits whether over eating, over drinking, smoking, or something else. Some people are disgusted by those bad habits and some people aren't.

shrug.

Okay. How does that relate to the problem obesity is causing in our country?

No differently than a chronic alcoholic hospitalized or needing a new liver, no different then a smoker in the hospital with cancer, no different then a drug addict needing rehab, or the anorexic hospitalised and fed by an I.V. Fat people can get gastric bypass or diet or get some disease and they will have to deal with as happens to people who do not take care of themselves.

There are plenty of health problems in our country that are addressed and obesity is one of them. But your title was talking about beauty and that is what most people were addressing because beauty is an opinion.

Obesity, in most instances, is completely preventable with just exercise and watching your diet.

So is smoking and alcoholism, just don't smoke or drink. But there are psychological reasons along with why people get addicted to unhealthy habits, and addressing those helps people recover from it.

If you are concerned about the health issue looking at some root causes emotionally will help those who do suffer from it recover and be able to form good health habits. This is how treatment works people do not get fat and lazy because they want to, just like hoarders don't become unsanitary and live in dangerous waste because they want to. There is an underlying issue going on. That is what has to be addressed if you truly have an interest in helping those stuck in obesity.

With some people that might be the case. With some others, they just don't care, Drifter. That is a fact.

That's true with any addiction.

 

[ChrisL]

I've typed many reports about Lap band procedure failures because the people go back to eating an unhealthy extraordinary amount of food, mostly junk food.

That is another problem, the amount of our portions is . . . . unbelievable. I go to a restaurant and get a plate of food sometimes and I wonder how ANYONE could eat all of that food in one sitting!!! Yuck! It really makes me lose my appetite.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The only nation on earth where obesity and malnutrition can and does happen at the same time.

 

[ChrisL]

Okay. How does that relate to the problem obesity is causing in our country?

No differently than a chronic alcoholic hospitalized or needing a new liver, no different then a smoker in the hospital with cancer, no different then a drug addict needing rehab, or the anorexic hospitalised and fed by an I.V. Fat people can get gastric bypass or diet or get some disease and they will have to deal with as happens to people who do not take care of themselves.

There are plenty of health problems in our country that are addressed and obesity is one of them. But your title was talking about beauty and that is what most people were addressing because beauty is an opinion.

Obesity, in most instances, is completely preventable with just exercise and watching your diet.

So is smoking and alcoholism, just don't smoke or drink. But there are psychological reasons along with why people get addicted to unhealthy habits, and addressing those helps people recover from it.

If you are concerned about the health issue looking at some root causes emotionally will help those who do suffer from it recover and be able to form good health habits. This is how treatment works people do not get fat and lazy because they want to, just like hoarders don't become unsanitary and live in dangerous waste because they want to. There is an underlying issue going on. That is what has to be addressed if you truly have an interest in helping those stuck in obesity.

With some people that might be the case. With some others, they just don't care, Drifter. That is a fact.

That's true with any addiction.

America: Too fat to fight (Opinion) - CNN.com

Of the 195,000 young men and women who signed up to fight for our country, only 72,000 qualified. Some didn't make the cut because they had a criminal background, or a lack of education, or too many tattoos. But a full 10% didn't qualify because they were overweight.

Before you accuse me of sensationalizing, it's that 10% figure that worries General Batschelet the most.

"The obesity issue is the most troubling because the trend is going in the wrong direction," he said. "We think by 2020 it could be as high as 50%, which mean only 2 in 10 would qualify to join the Army." He paused. "It's a sad testament to who we are as a society right now."

The problem is so worrisome for the Army that recruiters have become fitness coaches, like the trainers on the NBC show, "The Biggest Loser."

Yes, your tax dollars pay for Army recruiters to play Dolvett Quince or Jillian Michaels to whip could-be recruits into shape with the hope they can diet and exercise their way to become real recruits. If they lose enough weight, they're sent to boot camp. Some make it; many don't. But, General Batschelet told me the Army must try.

"We are the premier leader on personal development in the world," he told me. "We want to see you grow and become a leader. That is a great strength in our Army."

 

[Michelle420]

I've typed many reports about Lap band procedure failures because the people go back to eating an unhealthy extraordinary amount of food, mostly junk food.

That is another problem, the amount of our portions is . . . . unbelievable. I go to a restaurant and get a plate of food sometimes and I wonder how ANYONE could eat all of that food in one sitting!!! Yuck! It really makes me lose my appetite.

Lapband won't solve obesity if the reason why the person got obese is not addressed. Those root causes are usually emotional and they have to be healed before a food addict can recover. If those root issues are dealt with many times a food addict won't need surgery they can stick with a program of correct eating and exercise,

 

[Michelle420]

No differently than a chronic alcoholic hospitalized or needing a new liver, no different then a smoker in the hospital with cancer, no different then a drug addict needing rehab, or the anorexic hospitalised and fed by an I.V. Fat people can get gastric bypass or diet or get some disease and they will have to deal with as happens to people who do not take care of themselves.

There are plenty of health problems in our country that are addressed and obesity is one of them. But your title was talking about beauty and that is what most people were addressing because beauty is an opinion.

Obesity, in most instances, is completely preventable with just exercise and watching your diet.

So is smoking and alcoholism, just don't smoke or drink. But there are psychological reasons along with why people get addicted to unhealthy habits, and addressing those helps people recover from it.

If you are concerned about the health issue looking at some root causes emotionally will help those who do suffer from it recover and be able to form good health habits. This is how treatment works people do not get fat and lazy because they want to, just like hoarders don't become unsanitary and live in dangerous waste because they want to. There is an underlying issue going on. That is what has to be addressed if you truly have an interest in helping those stuck in obesity.

With some people that might be the case. With some others, they just don't care, Drifter. That is a fact.

That's true with any addiction.

America: Too fat to fight (Opinion) - CNN.com

Of the 195,000 young men and women who signed up to fight for our country, only 72,000 qualified. Some didn't make the cut because they had a criminal background, or a lack of education, or too many tattoos. But a full 10% didn't qualify because they were overweight.

Before you accuse me of sensationalizing, it's that 10% figure that worries General Batschelet the most.

"The obesity issue is the most troubling because the trend is going in the wrong direction," he said. "We think by 2020 it could be as high as 50%, which mean only 2 in 10 would qualify to join the Army." He paused. "It's a sad testament to who we are as a society right now."

The problem is so worrisome for the Army that recruiters have become fitness coaches, like the trainers on the NBC show, "The Biggest Loser."

Yes, your tax dollars pay for Army recruiters to play Dolvett Quince or Jillian Michaels to whip could-be recruits into shape with the hope they can diet and exercise their way to become real recruits. If they lose enough weight, they're sent to boot camp. Some make it; many don't. But, General Batschelet told me the Army must try.

"We are the premier leader on personal development in the world," he told me. "We want to see you grow and become a leader. That is a great strength in our Army."

We've already agreed that obesity is a problem.