obama's christmas tree tax

[Mr.Nick]

Why not charge 15 more cents for a tree then??

NO the government wants the fucking money.

 

[SAT]

This has got to be an article from the onion or something.

Why on earth would we need to strengthen the position in the market for the Christmas tree? Isn't that the job of those who sell Christmas trees?

Not only that, but doesn't this create huge First Amendment issues? The Federal Government trying to promote CHRISTMAS TREES? And they are going to TAX CHRISTMAS TREES? I could make an argument against this with both the Establishment clause and the Free exercise clause with current case law.

Seriously, this has to be a joke because I can't fathom that the Administration would be this blatantly stupid.

really?

think about it. this is the same admin that apparently thought selling guns to mexican criminals in arizona was a great idea.

do you want to rethink your statement?

That would be the Bush administration.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I know this is NEWS to all you rightie morons,

Currently, federal checkoff programs are in effect for beef, pork, soybeans, eggs, cotton, dairy, mushrooms, honey, peanuts, popcorn, potatoes, watermelon, cultivated blueberries, Haas avocados, and mangos.

Choices Article - Overview: Commodity Checkoff Programs

Sorry - but can any of you direct me to posts where you bitch about ranchers having to pay $1 a head to support "Beef, its what's for dinner" ?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Why not charge 15 more cents for a tree then??

That's what's happening genius. The 15 cents goes to the checkoff program. I can tell you know what you're talking about, you've clearly researched the topic of commodity checkoffs in depth.[

 

[rightwinger]

Of course because it makes ZERO sense...

Elaborate how 15 cents does what you claim it will do.

You cant because you just made up the bullshit which is retarded...

You may as well have said "a loaf of bread is a loaf of bread because chickens lay eggs in Africa."

$2 million dollars a year to run ads that convince people of the merits of a live tree vs a cheap artificial tree from China

Christmas tree farmers hope ads will stem growth of artificial trees - Business wire - bnd.com

A) its not the governments duty to run ads
B) Wouldn't cutting down trees contradict your environmental allegiance..
C) I don't believe a Goddamn thing you post.

Thanks for playing anarchist

 

[Mr.Nick]

The Congress has a duty to carry out Article I Section 8 clause 1


They get replanted genius. Maybe you didn't get the memo - but a fucking TREE is a renewable resource.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It says CONGRESS NOT PRESIDENT...

The Department of Agricultures authority has already been authorized by Congress. Commodity checkoff programs are hardly a new thing. Do you not own a fucking TV? Hello ! "Pork, the other white meat!"

Hello if the farmers of these trees really wanted to push tree growth the logical step would have been to raise the tree costs by 15 cents...

Obama is stealing from individuals once again...

Where is congresses authorization anyways - thats right progressives believe they're above the law..

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It says CONGRESS NOT PRESIDENT...

The Department of Agricultures authority has already been authorized by Congress. Commodity checkoff programs are hardly a new thing. Do you not own a fucking TV? Hello ! "Pork, the other white meat!"

Hello if the farmers of these trees really wanted to push tree growth the logical step would have been to raise the tree costs by 15 cents...

And form a commodity checkoff program to advertise their trees over their foreign plastic counterparts.

Which they just did.

The Dept of Agriculture doesn't form these programs just for the fuck of it - they do it when the farmers want it. The checkoff has to be ENFORCED by some means or there will be free-loaders - ranchers benefiting from "Beef, it's what's for dinner" but not paying into the cost of producing the add, for example.

Obama is stealing from individuals once again...

The so was Clinton, Bush, Bush II, commodity checkoffs have been around a while. You really just hate Obama, that's all. You didn't even know what a "commodity checkoff program" was until I told you, and you're utterly incapable of explaining why its OK for beef farmers to have a checkoff programs "BEEF, ITS WHAT'S FOR DINNER" - but not Christmas tree farmers.

 

[Mr.Nick]

The Congress has a duty to carry out Article I Section 8 clause 1


They get replanted genius. Maybe you didn't get the memo - but a fucking TREE is a renewable resource.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It says CONGRESS NOT PRESIDENT...

The Department of Agricultures authority has already been authorized by Congress. Commodity checkoff programs are hardly a new thing. Do you not own a fucking TV? Hello ! "Pork, the other white meat!"

What the fuck are you talking about???

You seriously have absolutely NO idea as to how government works..

Go back to the 6th grade and learn something...

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It says CONGRESS NOT PRESIDENT...

The Department of Agricultures authority has already been authorized by Congress. Commodity checkoff programs are hardly a new thing. Do you not own a fucking TV? Hello ! "Pork, the other white meat!"

What the fuck are you talking about???

I'm talking about the numerous commodity checkoff programs the Dept. of Agriculture has overseen. "Pork, the other white meat" - "Beef, its what's for dinner" - "Got Milk", etc. ... you HAVE seen these,right? Are you a recent immigrant or something?

Do you understand English?

 

[Vel]

So what this comes down to is that some growers decided they wanted to advertise their product and asked the government to help make everyone else pay to implement their idea. They can force those growers that didn't want to join their advertising team to pay and at the same time, big government gets a cut and gets to offer jobs to their buddies on the board.

 

[Vel]

The Department of Agricultures authority has already been authorized by Congress. Commodity checkoff programs are hardly a new thing. Do you not own a fucking TV? Hello ! "Pork, the other white meat!"

Hello if the farmers of these trees really wanted to push tree growth the logical step would have been to raise the tree costs by 15 cents...

And form a commodity checkoff program to advertise their trees over their foreign plastic counterparts.

Which they just did.

The Dept of Agriculture doesn't form these programs just for the fuck of it - they do it when the farmers want it. The checkoff has to be ENFORCED by some means or there will be free-loaders - ranchers benefiting from "Beef, it's what's for dinner" but not paying into the cost of producing the add, for example.

Obama is stealing from individuals once again...

The so was Clinton, Bush, Bush II, commodity checkoffs have been around a while. You really just hate Obama, that's all. You didn't even know what a "commodity checkoff program" was until I told you, and you're utterly incapable of explaining why its OK for beef farmers to have a checkoff programs "BEEF, ITS WHAT'S FOR DINNER" - but not Christmas tree farmers.

So why not call it what it is... forced unionization?

 

[Mr.Nick]

The Department of Agricultures authority has already been authorized by Congress. Commodity checkoff programs are hardly a new thing. Do you not own a fucking TV? Hello ! "Pork, the other white meat!"

Hello if the farmers of these trees really wanted to push tree growth the logical step would have been to raise the tree costs by 15 cents...

And form a commodity checkoff program to advertise their trees over their foreign plastic counterparts.

Which they just did.

The Dept of Agriculture doesn't form these programs just for the fuck of it - they do it when the farmers want it. The checkoff has to be ENFORCED by some means or there will be free-loaders - ranchers benefiting from "Beef, it's what's for dinner" but not paying into the cost of producing the add, for example.

Obama is stealing from individuals once again...

The so was Clinton, Bush, Bush II, commodity checkoffs have been around a while. You really just hate Obama, that's all. You didn't even know what a "commodity checkoff program" was until I told you, and you're utterly incapable of explaining why its OK for beef farmers to have a checkoff programs "BEEF, ITS WHAT'S FOR DINNER" - but not Christmas tree farmers.

In what universe do plastic trees have to do with any of this???

Now, even if the plastic trees were a factor - the government should have absolutely ZERO involvement..

Allegedly the government wants to tax Christmas trees NOT those who own the trees and the land...

Why don't the tree owners/vendors just raise their tree prices by 15 cents?? oh yeah because this has nothing to do with the price of trees and everything to do with raising revenue for the government..

Of course only dumbfucks believe Obama...

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

So what this comes down to is that some growers decided they wanted to advertise their product and asked the government to help make everyone else pay to implement their idea. They can force those growers that didn't want to join their advertising team to pay and at the same time, big government gets a cut and gets to offer jobs to their buddies on the board.

"big government" doesn't get a "cut".

You do realize that a commodity checkoff program without universal enforcement is kinda pointless, right?

And I'm curious as to why you've only come out against checkoffs NOW - where were you for the "Beef, What's for dinner" campaign and all the other commodity checkoffs? Seems awfully coincidental you've all of a sudden come out against a program that's been around for a WHILE under Presidents of both parties.


Are you just so ignorant of government policy that you wait for someone else to tell you whats good and bad about it?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Hello if the farmers of these trees really wanted to push tree growth the logical step would have been to raise the tree costs by 15 cents...

And form a commodity checkoff program to advertise their trees over their foreign plastic counterparts.

Which they just did.

The Dept of Agriculture doesn't form these programs just for the fuck of it - they do it when the farmers want it. The checkoff has to be ENFORCED by some means or there will be free-loaders - ranchers benefiting from "Beef, it's what's for dinner" but not paying into the cost of producing the add, for example.

Obama is stealing from individuals once again...

The so was Clinton, Bush, Bush II, commodity checkoffs have been around a while. You really just hate Obama, that's all. You didn't even know what a "commodity checkoff program" was until I told you, and you're utterly incapable of explaining why its OK for beef farmers to have a checkoff programs "BEEF, ITS WHAT'S FOR DINNER" - but not Christmas tree farmers.

So why not call it what it is... forced unionization?

Because its not a union moron. The Christmas tree farmers aren't trying to negotiate with their employer, they're trying to promote their product.

Do you understand what words mean?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

In what universe do plastic trees have to do with any of this???

They're mostly made in CHINA and the point of the ad campaign is to encourage people to buy REAL trees so we keep more of our money HERE rather than sending it to fucking CHINA.


You've clearly not even bothered to research the MOST BASIC facts about this issue. You are intellectually LAZY.

 

[Vel]

And form a commodity checkoff program to advertise their trees over their foreign plastic counterparts.

Which they just did.

The Dept of Agriculture doesn't form these programs just for the fuck of it - they do it when the farmers want it. The checkoff has to be ENFORCED by some means or there will be free-loaders - ranchers benefiting from "Beef, it's what's for dinner" but not paying into the cost of producing the add, for example.



The so was Clinton, Bush, Bush II, commodity checkoffs have been around a while. You really just hate Obama, that's all. You didn't even know what a "commodity checkoff program" was until I told you, and you're utterly incapable of explaining why its OK for beef farmers to have a checkoff programs "BEEF, ITS WHAT'S FOR DINNER" - but not Christmas tree farmers.

So why not call it what it is... forced unionization?

Because its not a union moron. The Christmas tree farmers aren't trying to negotiate with their employer, they're trying to promote their product.

Do you understand what words mean?

Are growers that don't want to participate allowed to "opt" out of the advertising fees? If not, then they are being forced to pay dues to support a program for the collective.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

So why not call it what it is... forced unionization?

Because its not a union moron. The Christmas tree farmers aren't trying to negotiate with their employer, they're trying to promote their product.

Do you understand what words mean?

Are growers that don't want to participate allowed to "opt" out of the advertising fees? If not, then they are being forced to pay dues to support a program for the collective.

NO MORE THAN BEEF FARMERS ARE ALLOWED TO OPT OUT OF "BEEF ITS WHAT'S FOR DINNER" .


Do any of you righties ever bother to research basic facts surrounding an issue before you open your stupid mouths?

FIRST YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH ALL THE OTHER COMMODITY CHECKOFF PROGRAMS IN EXISTENCE. Why did you wait till Obama and the Christmas tree checkoff to even BE AWARE that such programs existed?

 

[rightwinger]

So why not call it what it is... forced unionization?

Because its not a union moron. The Christmas tree farmers aren't trying to negotiate with their employer, they're trying to promote their product.

Do you understand what words mean?

Are growers that don't want to participate allowed to "opt" out of the advertising fees? If not, then they are being forced to pay dues to support a program for the collective.

Yes they are. They benefit as a group.

For some to say they want to sit back and let others pay to advertise their product is not the way it works.

Only a Republican would want to do that

 

[Vel]

So what this comes down to is that some growers decided they wanted to advertise their product and asked the government to help make everyone else pay to implement their idea. They can force those growers that didn't want to join their advertising team to pay and at the same time, big government gets a cut and gets to offer jobs to their buddies on the board.

"big government" doesn't get a "cut".

You do realize that a commodity checkoff program without universal enforcement is kinda pointless, right?

And I'm curious as to why you've only come out against checkoffs NOW - where were you for the "Beef, What's for dinner" campaign and all the other commodity checkoffs? Seems awfully coincidental you've all of a sudden come out against a program that's been around for a WHILE under Presidents of both parties.


Are you just so ignorant of government policy that you wait for someone else to tell you whats good and bad about it?

Hmmm can you find another thread on here where I've come out in support of checkoff programs? And are you so ignorant that you can't figure out that, yes, government would receive a cut? Who do you think appoints the board members? Where does the money come from to pay the board members? Checkoff programs such as this just provide another opportunity for government entities to spend other peoples money.

 

[Mr.Nick]

In what universe do plastic trees have to do with any of this???

They're mostly made in CHINA and the point of the ad campaign is to encourage people to buy REAL trees so we keep more of our money HERE rather than sending it to fucking CHINA.


You've clearly not even bothered to research the MOST BASIC facts about this issue. You are intellectually LAZY.

So what.......

Most of the people I know have real trees.

I have no idea in which the federal government has a say in the matter..

Let people have whatever tree they want...

If plastic trees are a problem then let the tree owners raise prices by 15 cents or ask for donations - which would probably generate more revenue than a tax....