Obamacare train pulls safely into the station

[Greenbeard]

greeny you should be ashamed

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM]For Dep - YouTube[/ame]

You should be angry at the people who convinced you Obamacare wouldn't come in cheaper than expected, cover more people than predicted, slow cost growth, and improve health care quality, not me.

They're the ones who are responsible for you being upset today!

 

[Rozman]

All I know is thanks to Obama I lost my coverage....
Now the coverage I have through the company sucks...
Having a $6,000.00 yearly deductible will not see me going to my doctor
any time soon.

So as far as the train pulling into the station....

Shove it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

President Barack Obama announced Thursday that 8 million Americans had enrolled in private health coverage…

The actual number is likely higher than that as many Americans purchased health insurance directly from providers, bypassing the exchange, where such enrollments are not included in the official tally.

Obamacare's Invisible Victory - NationalJournal.com

 

[Zander]

if we're going to make up enrollment numbers- let's go with 330 Million!! Cover everyone!! WOOHOO!!!!

 

[bluesman]

All I know is thanks to Obama I lost my coverage....
Now the coverage I have through the company sucks...
Having a $6,000.00 yearly deductible will not see me going to my doctor
any time soon.

So as far as the train pulling into the station....

Shove it.

The higher deductible promotes market competition. Before, people like you, would feel like you were getting "free" coverage. The fact is that someone has to pay for your "free" coverage. When people have to pay higher deductibles, then it will cause them to look for lower cost alternatives. Examples would be not having a flu shot from a doctor that is charging an insurance company $75 or $100 dollars for something you can get at a pharmacy for $20. The result is less milking of the system.

 

[emilynghiem]

OMG, that train should be blown up and so should the people who sold it

all we heard was how 46 MILLION PEOPLE were without insurance...and now 4 year, 38 delay's by our dictators, website didn't work, 1.5TRILLION dollars AND a lousy 8 million people ( which is probably a LIE like everything is about the scam)

how some of you can sleep at night while pushing such dishonesty is actually scary

and who writes this crap, 10 year olds? the train the train boss the train

Dear Stephanie: the more any opposition talks of "derailing" someone else's system,
that is just abused to discredit the opposition.

If we believe in equal religious liberty and freedom of choice,
why not AGREE that people who support the train, set up the system
and manage and pay for it themselves by voluntary participation.

and let other people manage planes, busses, bikes, walking trails, car
pools or other transporation, so all means and modes are covered?

Why not treat all these choices EQUALLY
especially if we are arguing on the basis of civil liberty and individual choices.

Whatever we ask and pray for others merely comes back to us.
Wishing to derail others just incites other to derail our plans, so nobody wins that way.

If we recognize that people's beliefs are a valid choice, we don't have to agree.
We can argue that by the Constitution this political belief should be kept SEPARATE.

But if we do not even treat it is as an equally valid choice,
how can we expect others to recognize and respect our beliefs as valid under law?

1. First step - agree to recognize each other's conflicting beliefs as valid choices
even if we disagree. Everyone has a right to exercise their own beliefs, just not to impose on others.
2. Next agree to separate these choices so nobody imposes one over the other,
especially not through govt against the equal beliefs of others
3. third, where these plans agree, those parts CAN be implemented through fed govt
without conflict. Where plans diverge, either remove that part from federal
and keep it local, state or by party or other means of managing it separately,
or allow an exemption for it where those programs are a VALID option
neither regulated or fined beyond the conditions that all parties AGREE to.

 

[Stephanie]

links in article at site

SNIP:






Megan McArdle goes off on suspicious Census Bureau/Obamacare methodology switch


posted at 6:01 pm on April 17, 2014 by Guy Benson




Allahpundit wrote on this topic earlier in the week, but I think it’s significant enough to amplify — especially when a respected centrist wonk like Megan McArdle is cracking open her thesaurus to describe her alarm and disgust over what’s going down:

For several months now, whenever the topic of enrollment in the Affordable Care Act came up, I’ve been saying that it was too soon to tell its ultimate effects. We don’t know how many people have paid for their new insurance policies, or how many of those who bought policies were previously uninsured. For that, I said, we will have to wait for Census Bureau data, which offer the best assessment of the insurance status of the whole population. Other surveys are available, but the samples are smaller, so they’re not as good; the census is the gold standard. Unfortunately, as I invariably noted, these data won’t be available until 2015. I stand corrected: These data won’t be available at all. Ever.

Why? Because as the New York Times reported, the Census Bureau has decided to throw out its 30-year formula (and therefore its baseline) on measuring America’s uninsured population, and replace it with a new methodology. The revised math, according to Census officials, will result in much sunnier-looking results. Independent of the statistical merits of this change, the timing, quite literally, could not be worse. McArdle is aghast:

I’m speechless. Shocked. Stunned. Horrified. Befuddled. Aghast, appalled, thunderstruck, perplexed, baffled, bewildered and dumbfounded. It’s not that I am opposed to the changes: Everyone understands that the census reports probably overstate the true number of the uninsured, because the number they report is supposed to be “people who lacked insurance for the entire previous year,” but people tend to answer with their insurance status right now. But why, dear God, oh, why, would you change it in the one year in the entire history of the republic that it is most important for policy makers, researchers and voters to be able to compare the number of uninsured to those in prior years? The answers would seem to range from “total incompetence on the part of every level of this administration” to something worse.

She affirms that she does mean every level of the administration, citing this passage in the Times piece:

The White House is always looking for evidence to show the benefits of the health law, which is an issue in many of this year’s midterm elections. The Department of Health and Human Services and the White House Council of Economic Advisers requested several of the new questions, and the White House Office of Management and Budget approved the new questionnaire.

ALL of it here
Megan McArdle goes off on suspicious Census Bureau/Obamacare methodology switch « Hot Air

 

[emilynghiem]

It was Obama who campaigned on Obamacare and the people of the United States voted for him. Romney said he would do away with Obamacare and he didn't get elected. Our country is a democracy and not run by whoever makes the biggest threat.

Remember that regardless what Party or Religion you are, and regardless the denomination and beliefs of who voted you in or who votes and supports your beliefs and agenda,

the duty of the President, Congress and Government
is to represent ALL people of all views and beliefs EQUALLY under the Constitution.

NOT just the beliefs of the majority, or leaders or citizens who align with the same political or religious beliefs,
EVEN if you are in the majority.

Just because the majority of people would support Christianity, for example,
does not give Christians the right to impose Christian biased policies for the whole nation.

If half the nation complains of a religious bias, that policy would be reviewed or corrected, if not struck down.

In fact, with Christian policies, it only takes ONE Atheist to be offended to remove a cross.

With HALF the nation complaining this ACA is against Constitutional beliefs,
why isn't the same respect for religious principles respected there?

 

[Antares]

Poor Geenteeth

It isn't cheaper.
It isn't better.
....and November will be ugly for you.

 

[Antares]

President Barack Obama announced Thursday that 8 million Americans had enrolled in private health coverage…

The actual number is likely higher than that as many Americans purchased health insurance directly from providers, bypassing the exchange, where such enrollments are not included in the official tally.

Obamacare's Invisible Victory - NationalJournal.com

The Rand Study pegged it at 7.8 million.......7.3 of which had insurance prior.

Dumbass.

 

[bluesman]

OMG, that train should be blown up and so should the people who sold it
all we heard was how 46 MILLION PEOPLE were without insurance...and now 4 year, 38 delay's by our dictators, website didn't work, 1.5TRILLION dollars AND a lousy 8 million people ( which is probably a LIE like everything is about the scam)

how some of you can sleep at night while pushing such dishonesty is actually scary

and who writes this crap, 10 year olds? the train the train boss the train

Sounds like a terroristic threat. Obama "sold it" so I guess you are directing the threat at him. It was Obama who campaigned on Obamacare and the people of the United States voted for him. Romney said he would do away with Obamacare and he didn't get elected. Our country is a democracy and not run by whoever makes the biggest threat.

Remember that regardless what Party or Religion you are, and regardless the denomination and beliefs of who voted you in or who votes and supports your beliefs and agenda,

the duty of the President, Congress and Government
is to represent ALL people of all views and beliefs EQUALLY under the Constitution.

NOT just the beliefs of the majority, or leaders or citizens who align with the same political or religious beliefs,
EVEN if you are in the majority.

Just because the majority of people would support Christianity, for example,
does not give Christians the right to impose Christian biased policies for the whole nation.

If half the nation complains of a religious bias, that policy would be reviewed or corrected, if not struck down.

In fact, with Christian policies, it only takes ONE Atheist to be offended to remove a cross.

With HALF the nation complaining this ACA is against Constitutional beliefs,
why isn't the same respect for religious principles respected there?

First of all "half the nation" does not speak in one unified voice. The constitutional question was answered by a 5/4 Republican majority Supreme Court. With ideologues, hating Obama may seem like a religion but it is not. Our country was founded on puritan Christian values and there is nothing more Christian than caring for and healing poor sick people.

 

[Katzndogz]

obamacare results is one of the reasons why a majority of the public thinks obama is such a liar.

 

[Politico]

My take is, based on the fact that Greenbeard is back in business, the powers-that-be are growing increasingly worried that the "train" is grinding to a halt.

Bingo
the greeny was put back in the propaganda business things are so damn bad..
what a horrible thing to do to the people in this country..
greeny you should be ashamed

More people on the dole = success.

 

[Stephanie]

Here is the ObamaScam train

 

[MeBelle]

if we're going to make up enrollment numbers- let's go with 330 Million!! Cover everyone!! WOOHOO!!!!

The real Obamacare total: 14.4 Million to 23.5 Million!!

eleventy jillion

ELEVENTYTWILLIONTEEN

^^^comments on article^^^

eleventy jillion sounds like a number Radioman ALT would say

 

[MeBelle]

I'll tackle the claims made by the OP later today. Sorry, I mean rebuttal.

 

[billyerock1991]

Isn't a bit early to make these claims....
Sebelius said a few weeks ago that they don't have a clue as to the details of those who signed up.

why do people like you always distort what she said ... she was referring to what type of policy holders sign up ... meaning were they people who
previously had insurance ... or are the number refers to how many people sign up who didn't have insurance before... that's what she was saying when she said she didn't really have the details of those who signed up it... it has nothing to do with did they or didn't they sign up ... as for new policy numbers ...any medicaid is considered new policy ... whether you like it or not ...

 

[billyerock1991]

A month before the deadline they had 6 million.
Now I'm hearing a few weeks later they have 12 million.....

Sorry...I'm not buying it.

thats because you are ignorant... what he has said that 8 million have sign up for health care ... as these numbers have changed ... 5 million for medicaid 3.5 million who are under 26 years of age who stayed on their parents policy ... you do the math 8 + 3.5 + 5 = 16.5 million the president gave a conservative number of 15 million ... it to will climb ... so you stick with the deniers ... you ain't got no union

 

[jasonnfree]

More lies from the most dishonest administration in American History.

There was never going to be a time when Obamacare did not meet their goals. The numbers were already in announcement form prior to October 2013. They were just waiting for the time to pass.

Do a little reading about corrupt administrations. Reagan's had the most convicted felons. And of course, many in Nixon's administration went to prison. Then there was Grant, Harding administrations. Any criminals from Obama yet?

 

[bluesman]

I'll tackle the claims made by the OP later today. Sorry, I mean rebuttal.

What is this ? An entry from your ******* diary?