Obamacare bill now $1.76 trillion in first 10 years

[Syphon]

Yep and FDR's policies did nothing but extend it.

Rather like Barry's policeis of today.

well since both times there was a depression / recession of this nature the people put the Dems into power that speaks volumes of the lack of confidence of the GOP to handle fiscal crises.

 

[Polk]

You're full of SHIT you ignorant cock sucker. The stock market crash of 1929 was the MAJOR reason for the great depression you pathetic, leftist HACK.

More revisionist, BULL SHIT history from the twisted mind of a LIBERAL.

That's the popular narrative is that the crash caused the Depression, but it's not accurate. The Depression was caused by excessive speculation. Allowing stock sales in fractional amounts (assuming the loans would be paid off by rising prices), overproduction of agricultural goods that resulted in sharp price declines, and huge bets on real estate that flopped.

Your lunatic OPINIONS don't carry any more weight than a fart in a wind storm skippy...

... educate yourself MORON... Great Depression - Top Five Causes of the Great Depression

I didn't state any opinions. Those statements are all in the mainstream of economic scholarship. The webpage you linked to is pure rubbish. The list from that page:

1. Stock Market Crash of 1929
2. Bank Failures
3. Reduction in Purchasing Across the Board
4. American Economic Policy with Europe
5. Drought Conditions

None of those things caused the Depression. All of them were economically harmful, but most of them were responses to the Depression. It's pretty hard to be both a response to and the cause of something.

 

[Polk]

Yep and FDR's policies did nothing but extend it.

Rather like Barry's policeis of today.

Let's try this another way, because it seems like you don't understand what's being discused. Which policy(s) do you think ended the Depression?

The policy of self reliance. The thing democrats don't want.

So you think the Depression was ended by an increase in "self reliance" (as you statement implies people were not self reliance before and during the early stages of the Depression)?

 

[Claudette]

What party were Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover, dumbazzes? Who presided over deregulation that allowed buying on margin? 10% of buys? Pub dupes are absolutely clueless...The Crash caused the Depression? What a GD genius LOL!!! Later, morons.

Harding/Coolidge did a pretty good job with their depression.

Ever hear of the Roaring 20's??

The Harding/Coolidge Prosperity of the 1920's

Interesting reading. To bad Barry didn't go back and read a little history.

BTW Harding and Coolidge were Reps.

 

[Polk]

The necessary Iraq War was a benefit and had an end in sight.


Remember when Obama promised that Obamacare would "not add one thin dime to the deficit"? What happened to that? Why is it the Left here needs to deflect to BOOOSSHHH? Why they can't they get up and say, Obama lied when he said that. He knew he was lying to get the bill passed and sell it.
Why are they unable to admit this? Is it mental?

Yeah, because it was a great benefit to the United States to make sure Iran faced less challenges in the region and for people to be butchered for having poor taste in fashion.

Death squads targeting Iraq's "emo" youth - Yahoo! News

STFU, doofus
Dujail Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So it is in the national interest of the United States to make sure one set of our enemies isn't killing another set?

 

[Syphon]

Yep and FDR's policies did nothing but extend it.

Rather like Barry's policeis of today.

Let's try this another way, because it seems like you don't understand what's being discused. Which policy(s) do you think ended the Depression?

The policy of self reliance. The thing democrats don't want.

if self reliance is the stance of the GOP, why do GOP controlled stated get back more federal tax dollars than they pay in?

United States Federal Tax Dollars -

 

[Cammmpbell]

Damned right we did.

Pelosi, Reid and the Dems played major league games with the numbers to get a good CBO score. All so they could be part of the "Historic Moment." ******* assholes

Anyone who thinks anything the Govt has a hand in is gonna be less expensive or better is a ******* idiot in my book.

One can only hope and pray the SC finds this clusterfuck of a bill Unconstitutional and kicks the ****** right to the curb.

You should have seen and heard the things I did in the late 30's and early 40's.People today don't have a clue about who's really on their side. The politicans must work together for a democracy to ever produce a goddamned thing. I'm 77 years old and there's never been a more phucked up political situation in this country's history.

Ever hear of scrap iron collections

What about $25 war bonds

What about rationing of everything from meat to gasoline

What about a 91% tax bracket

You people and your goddamned cell phones and I pads make my rectum crave lime juice. You have to get hungry a few times before you'll ever be worth a good country shit.

What does the fact that you were illiterate with low skill levels have to do with the health care bill? Do you really think it is the gov'ts job to grant you all your wishes? Who is supposed to pay for that?

Like I said...I wish you and your "take it for granted" cohorts could have been there. The first job my Dad ever had was on the WPA making about $6.00 a week. The unemployment in W. TN approached 50%. There were no unions, no vacation, no personal leave, there were no benefits, no pensions, no social security and if a straw boss didn't like the way somebody said "Good Morning" he told them to draw their pay and picked somebody from the long line waiting for a job to fill their place. Republicans phucked things up in 1929-1930 and they just got through phucking it up again. Are you some kind of a goddamned dummy or do you only watch Fox News.

Prior to 1950 old, sick, poor people ended up in a county poor farm, many in unmarked graves. That's exactly what the Republicans would like to see again.

About me being illiterate........I worked for the same company for 41 years, worked my way up into management, was well respected by my colleagues, installed the first super computer in an Oak Ridge Site in 1985 and retired to a place on the lake nearly 18 years ago. I have 1.3 acres, 4 br brick with a dock, two utility buildings, a well pump in the lake beneath my dock which provides all the water for irrigation and my wife drives a 2009 Lincoln Town car and I have a 2011 F150 truck with the ecoboost configuration. Everything we have has been paid off since 2005. Neither of us has spent a penny from our 401K's which we opened for the max in 1986.

You goddamned people are afraid to give everybody an equal shot at success.....you're pretty sure they would eat your lunch. I'm very sure.

Look at what you've done to ordinary working people in this country during the last 35 years:

 

[LogikAndReazon]

Anyone who actually believes govt welfare care will cost less is an absolute imbecile............

But then, govt plantation dependents were never concerned about the costs

 

[Cammmpbell]

Anyone who actually believes govt welfare care will cost less is an absolute imbecile............

But then, govt plantation dependents were never concerned about the costs

The upper 1% can kiss my big orange, Tennessee Coon Dawg Ass!

What they start doing something besides looking at a computer screen and changing their notes like maybe.............volunteering for a couple of tours in Afghanistan I'll know they've had a change of heart.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

da peoples needz more govt programz, funding and civil servant jobs.........

equality of outcomes for all !!!

hail che guevara lol

 

[The Rabbi]

Anyone who actually believes govt welfare care will cost less is an absolute imbecile............

But then, govt plantation dependents were never concerned about the costs

The upper 1% can kiss my big orange, Tennessee Coon Dawg Ass!

What they start doing something besides looking at a computer screen and changing their notes like maybe.............volunteering for a couple of tours in Afghanistan I'll know they've had a change of heart.

You realize your post didnt respond to anything you quoted, right?
Maybe this is because all you can do is ***** and moan about how gov't needs to help people and give them shit.
I've known plenty of people from west TN (I live in middle TN). None of them ever bitched as much as you do. Nor did they think gummint was the answer.
I personally think you're a fake from suburban LA.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Anyone who actually believes govt welfare care will cost less is an absolute imbecile............

But then, govt plantation dependents were never concerned about the costs

The upper 1% can kiss my big orange, Tennessee Coon Dawg Ass!

What they start doing something besides looking at a computer screen and changing their notes like maybe.............volunteering for a couple of tours in Afghanistan I'll know they've had a change of heart.

You realize your post didnt respond to anything you quoted, right?
Maybe this is because all you can do is ***** and moan about how gov't needs to help people and give them shit.
I've known plenty of people from west TN (I live in middle TN). None of them ever bitched as much as you do. Nor did they think gummint was the answer.
I personally think you're a fake from suburban LA.

This country has always used a progressive marginal tax system. We used to pay our way......before Reagan. In the 1950's under a Republican president(Dwight Eisenhower) anyone who earned more than $300,000 a year paid 91% of the excess to the government. Here's the way it looks now:

0- $8,500...................................10%
$8,500 to $34,500.......................15%
$34,500 to $83,600......................25%
$83,600 to $174,400................... 28%
$174,400 to $379,150..................33%
$379,150 and above....................35%

On top of this the upper crust never have to be concerned about their kid.s going to war and they believe it's OK to sit and use the systems put in place, bought and paid for with young American blood. I think when you can't chip in and pay for these goddam unnecessary foreign wars your goddamned asses should quit starting the things.

 

[francoHFW]

Harding and Coolige presided over a dergulation induced, scandal ridden BOOM that ended in Hoover's BUST. Biggest rich/poor gap until George W. Typical Boom for insiders and bust for everyone else. Same with Reagan. Will you IDIOTS EVER learn? Pub dupes!!

The Great Depression ended with WWII- too much damage had been done by the time FDR got in, he could only end the greatest misery with social programs like SS and welfare, CCC, etc.

 

[Sallow]

Too bad no one ever saw this coming.

Wait, we did.

President Obama's national health care law will cost $1.76 trillion over a decade, according to a new projection released today by the Congressional Budget Office, rather than the $940 billion forecast when it was signed into law.
Democrats employed many accounting tricks when they were pushing through the national health care legislation, the most egregious of which was to delay full implementation of the law until 2014, so it would appear cheaper under the CBO's standard ten-year budget window and, at least on paper, meet Obama's pledge that the legislation would cost "around $900 billion over 10 years." When the final CBO score came out before passage, critics noted that the true 10 year cost would be far higher than advertised once projections accounted for full implementation.
Today, the CBO released new projections from 2013 extending through 2022, and the results are as critics expected: the ten-year cost of the law's core provisions to expand health insurance coverage has now ballooned to $1.76 trillion. That's because we now have estimates for Obamacare's first nine years of full implementation, rather than the mere six when it was signed into law. Only next year will we get a true ten-year cost estimate, if the law isn't overturned by the Supreme Court or repealed by then. Given that in 2022, the last year available, the gross cost of the coverage expansions are $265 billion, we're likely looking at about $2 trillion over the first decade, or more than double what Obama advertised.

CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 trillion over 10 yrs | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

The CBO report is here.

CBO | Updated Estimates for the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act

First....neither party has ever cut spending a goddam dime. The Republicans always cut taxes for corporations and the wealthy...reducing the nation's income and increasing the debt. When Obama took office the annual interest on the existing debt was $450 billion each year and though the debt doesn't require payment that half a trillion must be paid or the nation goes into default. I want to know where you were when Ronald Reagan and the Bushes were first quadrupling the national debt and then after Clinton generated surpluses doubled it again:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86 (Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.4 5 (First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

The only time, with the notable exception of Ron Paul, that Republicans talk about debt is when they are out of power.

 

[francoHFW]

The OP is pure crappe for dupes only. The CBO only gives estimates for 10 years ahead, so OBVIOUSLY the more years that include implementaion, the more expensive ...Total idiocy! So all Rush, Beck etc can talk about.

Also, CBO doesn't do reform savings, so it's bloated...MORONS LOL

 

[Cammmpbell]

Too bad no one ever saw this coming.

Wait, we did.


CBO: Obamacare to cost $1.76 trillion over 10 yrs | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

The CBO report is here.

CBO | Updated Estimates for the Insurance Coverage Provisions of the Affordable Care Act

First....neither party has ever cut spending a goddam dime. The Republicans always cut taxes for corporations and the wealthy...reducing the nation's income and increasing the debt. When Obama took office the annual interest on the existing debt was $450 billion each year and though the debt doesn't require payment that half a trillion must be paid or the nation goes into default. I want to know where you were when Ronald Reagan and the Bushes were first quadrupling the national debt and then after Clinton generated surpluses doubled it again:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86 (Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)
09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.4 5 (First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

The only time, with the notable exception of Ron Paul, that Republicans talk about debt is when they are out of power.

You Nailed It!!

Neither party has ever cut a goddamned dime of spending but at least the Democrats are smart enough to leave something in place to pay for it.

Bush not only invaded Iraq unnecessarily he paid for it with emergency spending bills OFF BUDGET

The first time Obama went for more funds he put the whole thing back ON BUDGET

Tax Cuts should be the name of their party. With tax rates at a forty year low the stupid bastards are talking about more cuts. I think simple math gives them heartburn.

They cry about the debt and since Eisenhower have never done a goddam thing about it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What would would the cost be to the nation without health care? Think it through.

I would try, but I can't quite imagine running up a bill for something that doesn't exist.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

welcome to 5:40PM this afternoon

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...st-1-76-trillion-over-10-yrs.html#post4956360

why did the CBO also say this then?

Health reform coverage cost falls slightly - Mar. 13, 2012

The government's overall tab is expected to fall slightly over a decade. It is now projected to spend $1.083 trillion between 2012 and 2021. Last year, CBO's estimate was $1.131 trillion.

Because they also pointed out fewer people would be covered than initially projected, and more people would loose their insurance. Combine all of that, more people without insurance, and fewer people covered by Obamacare, and you can say some costs go down, while everything else goes up. The goal of Obamacare is to reduce costs across the board, not just for the government, and the CBO is actually assuming that the government will pay less because the law says it will.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

"Now", as if it has changed. You guys were claiming at the time that the cost was higher INSIDE THE TEN YEAR BUDGET WINDOW AT THE TIME OF PASSAGE, not over the cost for the first ten years of operation.

It was, which is why Obama asked for more money in the budget to cover it.

 

[The Rabbi]

The upper 1% can kiss my big orange, Tennessee Coon Dawg Ass!

What they start doing something besides looking at a computer screen and changing their notes like maybe.............volunteering for a couple of tours in Afghanistan I'll know they've had a change of heart.

You realize your post didnt respond to anything you quoted, right?
Maybe this is because all you can do is ***** and moan about how gov't needs to help people and give them shit.
I've known plenty of people from west TN (I live in middle TN). None of them ever bitched as much as you do. Nor did they think gummint was the answer.
I personally think you're a fake from suburban LA.

This country has always used a progressive marginal tax system. We used to pay our way......before Reagan. In the 1950's under a Republican president(Dwight Eisenhower) anyone who earned more than $300,000 a year paid 91% of the excess to the government. Here's the way it looks now:

.

This point has been debunked here so many times it is amazing that you still repeat it. I guess some people simply cannot stop parroting shit they read elsewhere, even when they are shown they are wrong.