Obama To Say US Facing New Sputnik Moment

[WillowTree]

The stimulus was half of what it should have been and the limit was determined by Republicans. The stimulus package was about 40% tax cuts..which were Republican ideas. After they got everything they wanted..they didn't vote on it.

So it did half of what it should of done..and took twice as long.

And Republicans could and do..disown the whole thing.

Big mistake all around.

maybe it's time you demonRats considered the fact that it's gonna take more than 50% of us pulling the plow to "git her done" reckon?

Maybe it's time you Republican'ts climbed off the plow and helped out a bit.

No?

How so? state yer case.

 

[Ernie S.]

It's that we are spending way too much and extremely inefficiently.

Also, spending money on education doesnt make children smarter.

Okay, so let's make spending habits more efficient. Investing in education, and equipping people with the qualifications to earn meaningful jobs and a solid wage, not to mention be better able to contribute to the tax base, is a more efficient expenditure than paying welfare benefits out to those same people over the next 10 to 20 years, or longer, isn't it?

I do agree, spending money doesn't make children smarter. But saving money doesn't make smart kids reach their full potential either.

We spend too much on education now and we graduate people that know all about black history and multiculturalism but little of math and science and nearly nothing but a politically correct version of American history and civics. In stead of graduating engineers, chemists and physicists, we produce an ever increasing crop of poli-sci majors, psychologists, social workers and bureaucratic paper shufflers.
Our priorities are screwed up and our limited financial resources are wasted.
We produce less and less tangible assets and more and more government jobs that subtract from the nation's wealth.
A "sputnik moment" is beyond our capability today. If JFK were to challenge us to put a man on the moon by the end of this decade, it would take 6 or 8 years to submit the environmental impact statements before construction of Cape Canaveral could even be built. Even then, NASA's headquarters would likely end up in Seattle where it rains 200+ days per year because we had to bribe some Senator to get his vote on a resolution to proclaim May 4th National Tandem Bicycle Awareness Day.
Not only does education need to be drastically refocused and made more efficient, but thousands of stupid regulations that do little but provide jobs for poli-sci majors, need to be scrapped.

 

[Avatar4321]

Maybe it's time you Republican'ts climbed off the plow and helped out a bit.

No?

Sorry. Someone has to work to keep us well fed.

 

[gekaap]

We spend too much on education now and we graduate people that know all about black history and multiculturalism but little of math and science and nearly nothing but a politically correct version of American history and civics. In stead of graduating engineers, chemists and physicists, we produce an ever increasing crop of poli-sci majors, psychologists, social workers and bureaucratic paper shufflers.
Our priorities are screwed up and our limited financial resources are wasted.
We produce less and less tangible assets and more and more government jobs that subtract from the nation's wealth.
A "sputnik moment" is beyond our capability today. If JFK were to challenge us to put a man on the moon by the end of this decade, it would take 6 or 8 years to submit the environmental impact statements before construction of Cape Canaveral could even be built. Even then, NASA's headquarters would likely end up in Seattle where it rains 200+ days per year because we had to bribe some Senator to get his vote on a resolution to proclaim May 4th National Tandem Bicycle Awareness Day.
Not only does education need to be drastically refocused and made more efficient, but thousands of stupid regulations that do little but provide jobs for poli-sci majors, need to be scrapped.

You make alot of wide sweeping statements here that are scarcely relevant, not to mention unsupported and presumptive. I'll agree that there are issues with "politically correct" curricula in some areas. A couple weeks ago there was much ado about Huck Finn being reprinted with every instance of the word "******" replaced with the word "slave" instead. But on the other hand, there are also many states that are not incorporating creationism and abstinence only curricula in their science programs.

You seem to imply that there's something wrong with people becoming a psychologist or social worker. I'm sure that these fields are increasing in people who are entering those fields. You know other fields that are also increasing? Computer programmers and astronauts. Back in 1950 none of these fields were exactly in high demand, but the times have changed. You see more psychologists today because society has learned more and more the importance of having professionals in this field. Social work was not as widely appreciated as it is today, so it's natural that we now see more people going into this field.

You know another field that is expanding? Nursing. Ironically, the demand in the field seems to keep outpacing the rate of people entering the field. But more and more people are going into nursing nowadays, because society's view on this once poorly viewed line of work have changed, and because there is a higher demand that is pulling people into that field. Nursing is now a well paying field, which is another part of the sway that has pulled people in that direction, where even 20 years ago it was not anywhere near as well compensated. That's the market at work for you.

On the other hand, there's not as much demand in the world today for physicists, chemists, or engineers. Sure, there's demand, but not what it was several decades ago. Thus, fewer people are entering those fields.

 

[dilloduck]

Okay, so let's make spending habits more efficient. Investing in education, and equipping people with the qualifications to earn meaningful jobs and a solid wage, not to mention be better able to contribute to the tax base, is a more efficient expenditure than paying welfare benefits out to those same people over the next 10 to 20 years, or longer, isn't it?

I do agree, spending money doesn't make children smarter. But saving money doesn't make smart kids reach their full potential either.

Most, like 90% of jobs people get after college are have no meaning... "Education" is a magic word to make liberals pucker up and feel better and smarter than everyone that does not agree with them.

Understand that many High school drops outs do more meaningfull work than many college educated people... seriously, try and understand that very basic concept.

Many, or even some. But not most.

Sputnik was a "government program". One we matched.

Actually we could have beat them if we had let our "german" team take a shot it.

 

[Avorysuds]

Okay, so let's make spending habits more efficient. Investing in education, and equipping people with the qualifications to earn meaningful jobs and a solid wage, not to mention be better able to contribute to the tax base, is a more efficient expenditure than paying welfare benefits out to those same people over the next 10 to 20 years, or longer, isn't it?

I do agree, spending money doesn't make children smarter. But saving money doesn't make smart kids reach their full potential either.

Most, like 90% of jobs people get after college are have no meaning... "Education" is a magic word to make liberals pucker up and feel better and smarter than everyone that does not agree with them.

Understand that many High school drops outs do more meaningfull work than many college educated people... seriously, try and understand that very basic concept.

Many, or even some. But not most.

Sputnik was a "government program". One we matched.

If instead of going to college people did on site training at a job, the people who went to college, by the time they graduated would be so vastly out of touch/behind/in debt VS the person who made money, learned the job in a tenth of the time and has no school debt for that job.

This recession is hard on jobs for many reasons, however a simple reason is because so many jobs were so incredibly useless. College has become like welfare, Government pays people to do it because there simply is no true demand for it… The demand is false, like the housing bubble and it is bursting and will continue to burst for quite some time.

College has become a place to obtain a position in society that pays more for doing vastly less challenging work in MOST instances. Schooling has its place in the world, it’s just a bad investment when you find yourself competing for a job with thousands of other people while also knowing in 5-10 years that job might be obsolete… Yet you have 50-100k in loans…

 

[Avorysuds]

He could have done this 2 years ago.

There was to much inclusion of Republican ideas into the stimulus. While I am glad Obama's found his "footing"...if he had put more into infrastructure and alot less into tax cuts/breaks..things would be very different.

why yes, nothing is to much inclusion......

more infrastructure, you mean more paying the salaries of more state employees....and 'invest' won't work either.....

sputnik?

he'll have to explain to 75% of the country that Sputnik is not Russian diarrhea or a rapper...

The stimulus was half of what it should have been and the limit was determined by Republicans. The stimulus package was about 40% tax cuts..which were Republican ideas. After they got everything they wanted..they didn't vote on it.

So it did half of what it should of done..and took twice as long.

And Republicans could and do..disown the whole thing.

Big mistake all around.

Tax credits are not tax cuts... Why do we have to cover some of the most basic shit over and over...

"Buy a stove for 3,000$ and get a tax credit for 1,200$" ... "Hi, I'm Obama and that's a tax cut!"

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

maybe it's time you demonRats considered the fact that it's gonna take more than 50% of us pulling the plow to "git her done" reckon?

Maybe it's time you Republican'ts climbed off the plow and helped out a bit.

No?

How so? state yer case.

Swallow in 3 posts

GW Bush

endless war

Ill kick your ass

 

[Ernie S.]

Nursing should be expanding. There is an actual need for nurses. Psychologists? Sure some, but that field seems to invent new psychological "illnesses" in order to support training more psychologists.

I didn't need a psychologist and a perscription to cure my ADD 50 years ago. All I needed was a gentle reminder from my father that if I didn't pay attention, I'd get my hide tanned. It took only 2 or 3 "sessions" and was free.
No. There's nothing wrong with becoming a psychologist or a social worker. There's nothing wrong with being a politician either. It's just that we don't really need near as many as we have, nor do they produce anything of real intrinsic value.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Nursing should be expanding. There is an actual need for nurses. Psychologists? Sure some, but that field seems to invent new psychological "illnesses" in order to support training more psychologists.

New illness to alleviate personal responsibly .

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Innovation has always come from the entrepreneurial spirit.

No, a lot of it comes from government research. Something most right wingers know absolutely nothing about.

Yep even much of our prescription drugs that big pharma makes a bundle off of.

Programs you wont cut and leave to the private sector.

 

[Avorysuds]

Most, like 90% of jobs people get after college are have no meaning... "Education" is a magic word to make liberals pucker up and feel better and smarter than everyone that does not agree with them.

Understand that many High school drops outs do more meaningfull work than many college educated people... seriously, try and understand that very basic concept.

Meaningful, in terms of earning ability.

The future is coming and it does not give a crap about your college degree... Many companies have realized they can make more having people in another country do college educated peoples work... and the people in another country don't even need the education, just getting trained for a short period of time.

 

[gekaap]

This recession is hard on jobs for many reasons, however a simple reason is because so many jobs were so incredibly useless. College has become like welfare, Government pays people to do it because there simply is no true demand for it…

What? Are you demented? The need for higher education is ever increasing in our world because more and more jobs today require it in order to be successful.

The demand is false, like the housing bubble and it is bursting and will continue to burst for quite some time.

How in the world does that make any sense? Name me ONE decent paying field that is booming that would not take higher education in order to qualify one's self to fill the position.

College has become a place to obtain a position in society that pays more for doing vastly less challenging work in MOST instances. Schooling has its place in the world, it’s just a bad investment when you find yourself competing for a job with thousands of other people while also knowing in 5-10 years that job might be obsolete… Yet you have 50-100k in loans…

So the real problem is that college is too expensive, and the education you get is apparently so narrow that you will not be qualified to even enter another field at entry level. That, right there, contradicts your assertion that college is a "false demand," because right here you admit that people will not be qualified to find other jobs with just a HS education. If college is too expensive for individuals, then it seems to me that the answer is to invest more heavily in education, with wider and more substantial federal grants and aid, expansion of federal subsidized loans for education, and perhaps as much as (GASP!) universal education a la European models. Minimize the expense for the individual, not only do you eliminate the nasty 100k loan issues, but colleges can then be freed up to expand their degree requirements so that a college education can offer fuller applications for people, so that a degree will not necessitate that you enter a job that becomes obsolete in 10 years.

Of course, all of that assumes that your claims are better than unfounded bullshit, which unfortunately they aren't.

 

[gekaap]

The future is coming and it does not give a crap about your college degree... Many companies have realized they can make more having people in another country do college educated peoples work... and the people in another country don't even need the education, just getting trained for a short period of time.

Yeah, because here in the US we demanded a degree for people to answer the phone or make plastic toys.

 

[whitehall]

For all you lefties who were educated by MTV, Sputnik was the first satelite and it was launched by Russia. America was shocked, concerned and embarassed at the time. The American culture is vastly different today. Obama spent his first year in office apologizing for America's affluence. The administration did everything in it's power to minimize American influence in the world. Democrats spent three decades keeping America from being independent of foreign oil. Are you lefties blind? Oil equals power. Obama and Harry Reid tell us that they will "wean" America off oil dependence and they haven't done a damn thing while we are selling our grand kids money buying oil from dictators in China and other socialist countries.

 

[gekaap]

For all you lefties who were educated by MTV, Sputnik was the first satelite and it was launched by Russia. America was shocked, concerned and embarassed at the time. The American culture is vastly different today. Obama spent his first year in office apologizing for America's affluence. The administration did everything in it's power to minimize American influence in the world. Democrats spent three decades keeping America from being independent of foreign oil. Are you lefties blind? Oil equals power. Obama and Harry Reid tell us that they will "wean" America off oil dependence and they haven't done a damn thing while we are selling our grand kids money buying oil from dictators in China and other socialist countries.

Okay, do you know anything about what you're saying, or do you just like playing magnetic poetry with the Rush Limbaugh's favorite word collection?

 

[Avorysuds]

This recession is hard on jobs for many reasons, however a simple reason is because so many jobs were so incredibly useless. College has become like welfare, Government pays people to do it because there simply is no true demand for it…

What? Are you demented? The need for higher education is ever increasing in our world because more and more jobs today require it in order to be successful.



How in the world does that make any sense? Name me ONE decent paying field that is booming that would not take higher education in order to qualify one's self to fill the position.



So the real problem is that college is too expensive, and the education you get is apparently so narrow that you will not be qualified to even enter another field at entry level. That, right there, contradicts your assertion that college is a "false demand," because right here you admit that people will not be qualified to find other jobs with just a HS education. If college is too expensive for individuals, then it seems to me that the answer is to invest more heavily in education, with wider and more substantial federal grants and aid, expansion of federal subsidized loans for education, and perhaps as much as (GASP!) universal education a la European models. Minimize the expense for the individual, not only do you eliminate the nasty 100k loan issues, but colleges can then be freed up to expand their degree requirements so that a college education can offer fuller applications for people, so that a degree will not necessitate that you enter a job that becomes obsolete in 10 years.

Of course, all of that assumes that your claims are better than unfounded bullshit, which unfortunately they aren't.

Wow, just nm....

I can't debate something like this if you really believe we need "higher education" through collage to be competitive... Not to mention you don't even understand that "investing" in education through Government help HAS helpeed raise the cost of education by 10's of thousands of dollars...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's why we need to destroy the US Department of Education and the UFT

 

[uscitizen]

For all you lefties who were educated by MTV, Sputnik was the first satelite and it was launched by Russia. America was shocked, concerned and embarassed at the time. The American culture is vastly different today. Obama spent his first year in office apologizing for America's affluence. The administration did everything in it's power to minimize American influence in the world. Democrats spent three decades keeping America from being independent of foreign oil. Are you lefties blind? Oil equals power. Obama and Harry Reid tell us that they will "wean" America off oil dependence and they haven't done a damn thing while we are selling our grand kids money buying oil from dictators in China and other socialist countries.

We buy oil from China?

 

[gekaap]

Wow, just nm....

I can't debate something like this if you really believe we need "higher education" through collage to be competitive... Not to mention you don't even understand that "investing" in education through Government help HAS helpeed raise the cost of education by 10's of thousands of dollars...

In other words, you can't respond to my points, so you prefer to dismiss them and try to pull out a tangent issue, in hopes that you'll still look like you know what you're talking about.