Obama is a full blown marxist

[editec]

The List of Lists at marxism.org - educate yourself about Marxism. Obama is a bourgeoise member of a bourgeoise party. He's about as Marxist as George Bush.

Hit that one pretty much on the head.

 

[Annie]

it isnt always the cause, but on average women earn less than men for equal work. im sure youve seen the reports. i would find some now, but cant take the time

Of course. Problem is just like this bill, there is little to define 'equality.' The first link I posted from CNN/Fortune discussed this pretty well.

 

[nomdeplume]

it is sad that a measure like this even needs to be considered. women earning less than their male conterparts is a sad reality of our economic system. i find many of the prejudices today quite appalling

When properly controlled, women do not make less. Some studies show they actually make more. It's just another bullshit liberal scam. The whole party is based on ignorance, lies, and race/sex baiting.

 

[Dr Grump]

When properly controlled, women do not make less. Some studies show they actually make more. It's just another bullshit liberal scam. The whole party is based on ignorance, lies, and race/sex baiting.

As opposed to war-mongering, fear-mongering ijits like the repubs....

 

[Ravi]

When properly controlled, women do not make less. Some studies show they actually make more. It's just another bullshit liberal scam. The whole party is based on ignorance, lies, and race/sex baiting.

When properly controlled? Let us see the links to these studies, por favor.

 

[jillian]

When properly controlled, women do not make less. Some studies show they actually make more. It's just another bullshit liberal scam. The whole party is based on ignorance, lies, and race/sex baiting.

What do you call "properly controlled"? Bush's Court has said that if the woman doesn't find out about the disparity in pay for more than 180 days, she's screwed.

I'm not sure how that constitutes "proper control". You do understand that there are already laws requiring equal pay... they just weren't enforced by Bush's court, hence the need for clarification.

You have a problem with that? Or you just want to spew?

 

[busara]

When properly controlled, women do not make less. Some studies show they actually make more. It's just another bullshit liberal scam. The whole party is based on ignorance, lies, and race/sex baiting.

there have been many studies showing women on average make less. i dont know what youve been looking at, but it appears the ignorance you speak of lies with you.

 

[nomdeplume]

there have been many studies showing women on average make less. i dont know what youve been looking at, but it appears the ignorance you speak of lies with you.

I've seen at least 3 studies done which controlled for all factors other than sex: two found that women actually made slightly more, like 101-102% greater salary, while the third found very slightly less, like 98.5%. All differences were so small that they there were statistically negligible. You've been fed garbage in, garbage out propaganda.

 

[Ravi]

I've seen at least 3 studies done which controlled for all factors other than sex: two found that women actually made slightly more, like 101-102% greater salary, while the third found very slightly less, like 98.5%. All differences were so small that they there were statistically negligible. You've been fed garbage in, garbage out propaganda.

Still waiting for you to link the studies...

 

[nomdeplume]

June O'Neill (The Gender Gap in Wages, 2000)
The American Economic Review, Vol. 93, No. 2.

A woman from Harvard, another economist has also done the number crunching and found the same thing. If both are non-married and have no children, thats the biggest equalizer for pay. With just that controlled for, the "wage gap" essentially vanishes.

 

[Toro]

Toro I believe that both Obama and the poster are referring to this:

Obama has endorsed a bad piece of pay legislation - Jun. 5, 2007

Its bad legislation.

 

[busara]

June O'Neill (The Gender Gap in Wages, 2000)
The American Economic Review, Vol. 93, No. 2.

A woman from Harvard, another economist has also done the number crunching and found the same thing. If both are non-married and have no children, thats the biggest equalizer for pay. With just that controlled for, the "wage gap" essentially vanishes.

so a woman who never gets married or has kids will have the same pay. do married men with kids have lower pay as well, and if so, is it decreased by the same amount?

 

[nomdeplume]

so a woman who never gets married or has kids will have the same pay. do married men with kids have lower pay as well, and if so, is it decreased by the same amount?

No? Does it matter, though? These are social issues, not legislative ones. Women more often take care of the kids, the home, the shopping.

Women actually spend over 80% of the money in this country. If money is power, women get to use it the most. The whole bullshit "you poor discrimnated women" canard is one of the most despicable and insidious crocks of shit the dumbocrats have shat in some time.

Another interesting fact is that when things are controlled for, black women make more than white women.

That's an ultra dangerous one the dumbocrats are trying to avoid like the plague. Can't have their little bigoted groups hating each other instead of the evil white man.

 

[busara]

No? Does it matter, though? These are social issues, not legislative ones. Women more often take care of the kids, the home, the shopping.

Women actually spend over 80% of the money in this country. If money is power, women get to use it the most. The whole bullshit "you poor discrimnated women" canard is one of the most despicable and insidious crocks of shit the dumbocrats have shat in some time.

Another interesting fact is that when things are controlled for, black women make more than white women.

That's an ultra dangerous one the dumbocrats are trying to avoid like the plague. Can't have their little bigoted groups hating each other instead of the evil white man.

you are in essence saying that women work harder at home, get paid less at work because of it, and damn anyone for pointing this out or wanting to fix it. is this legislation the way to go? probably not. it needs to be fixed on a social level. but you dont sound like you want it to be fixed at all.

horray for social inequality!!!

 

[Ravi]

June O'Neill (The Gender Gap in Wages, 2000)
The American Economic Review, Vol. 93, No. 2.

A woman from Harvard, another economist has also done the number crunching and found the same thing. If both are non-married and have no children, thats the biggest equalizer for pay. With just that controlled for, the "wage gap" essentially vanishes.

Do you have a link that can actually be read?

 

[nomdeplume]

you are in essence saying that women work harder at home, get paid less at work because of it, and damn anyone for pointing this out or wanting to fix it. is this legislation the way to go? probably not. it needs to be fixed on a social level. but you dont sound like you want it to be fixed at all.

horray for social inequality!!!

What are you going to do about the much shorter lifepan for men? What about the consumer gap I mentioned above? What about the ridiculously higher incarceration rates for men? What about men being more often the targets of violence? What about de jure sexism more often called be its orwelian psuedonym "affirmative action"? What about that women now are getting 60% of the higher education degrees in this country? What about the boys that do much worse in writing and reading while they hear daily of the bemoaned girls not doing as well in mathematics?

Hurray for social reality!!!!

 

[Ravi]

What about men being more often the targets of violence?

That's a joke, right?

 

[nomdeplume]

That's a joke, right?

I'm sure you find violence against men particularly funny.

 

[jillian]

I was referring specifically to his take on the constitution. Don't need a strawman, but thanks for the attempt.

You mean the views of someone who's actually a constitutional scholar trouble you?

 

[jillian]

No? Does it matter, though? These are social issues, not legislative ones. Women more often take care of the kids, the home, the shopping.

Women actually spend over 80% of the money in this country. If money is power, women get to use it the most. The whole bullshit "you poor discrimnated women" canard is one of the most despicable and insidious crocks of shit the dumbocrats have shat in some time.

Another interesting fact is that when things are controlled for, black women make more than white women.

That's an ultra dangerous one the dumbocrats are trying to avoid like the plague. Can't have their little bigoted groups hating each other instead of the evil white man.

Everything legislates social issues at some level. Your point?